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13 hours ago, Fanuck said:

Ask yourself this question - if LE had the same stats he's had over his 3 years here - but was unequivocally one of - if not THE - hardest working guy on the team night in/night out - would he be subject to the same levels of criticism here and in the general media?  My guess is he would still be considered overpaid, but people would be happy he was working hard every single shift in order to make up for his lack of scoring.  Sadly, imo, he's done neither while he's been here - work harder than everyone else or score that is. 

If a player has a certain amount of energy in the muscles, why waste that on huffing and puffing with no result? 

Why not have the power left in the muscles to do a real push when needed. 

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7 hours ago, J-P said:

He actually had quite a good stint with Bo and Pearson as well.

 

Offensively LE is a garbage goal player first and most, always has been. I remember in his last 30 goal season when he scored on a breakaway and he shot from far out and I was thinking like "wow, he DID that?!". That's how rare goals away from the net is for him, pretty much.

 

I was on the train of thought that LE would fit well with the Sedins after they dominated the WC, so can't really blame JB I guess, but in hindsight it's clear that LE not only need players on his line that drive the play, but he also needs lots of shots from his linemates that generates rebounds. Sounds like the Sedins much? Beagle?

 

So I don't think it's out of the question that the he's put with Bo and Pearson or Ferland (especially if we try to ice 3 scoring lines) and scores 5-10 goals in the first 20 games. Then things will look different and he can probably be traded or find a role with the team. He did have a pretty bad WC this year though, so the signs of decline is definitely there.

 

The lack of effort people keep bringing up is a very weak argument. Sure, he's not a meat and potato player, but he never has been, always played with effortless positioning and hockey sense as his tools. Also, when you look at his career numbers it's clear that he's a good second liner with 2-3 career seasons when playing with elite linemates, so his numbers with us aren't really that much of a shock considering context and usage.

 

Regardless - it will be very interesting to see how the start of the season plays out for him, I actually expect to see quite a lot of him in pre-season games with the expectation that he grabs the opportunity. That would IMO be the smart move for all parties since it would hopefully bring some light as to whether he still has it or not.

The Pearson-Horvat line was one of the best to finish the season too, but I guess because LE wasn't putting up the numbers, so he didn't contribute to it to some.

 

LE started the WC really well, but then faded in the 2nd half. Wasn't a dominant offensive force, but still put up a respectable 4 points in 8 games. I'm sure many would be happier if he put up 0.5 PPG here.

 

People want him to be a player he isn't because they know he will never be and thus not an "NHL player" in their view.

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1 hour ago, theo5789 said:

The Pearson-Horvat line was one of the best to finish the season too, but I guess because LE wasn't putting up the numbers, so he didn't contribute to it to some.

 

LE started the WC really well, but then faded in the 2nd half. Wasn't a dominant offensive force, but still put up a respectable 4 points in 8 games. I'm sure many would be happier if he put up 0.5 PPG here.

 

People want him to be a player he isn't because they know he will never be and thus not an "NHL player" in their view.

While I agree the 'lacks effort' argument is quite overplayed by some, even ex-NHL'ers were commenting on him 'floating around' out there FWIW. It's not just a bitter fan theory.

 

Personally I think that's more of a confidence issue than 'try' issue though (as much as we may dislike what he's shown in Vancouver, I can guarantee he's even less happy about how he's played here).

 

IMO, his confidence, lack of production, age related decline, poor fit etc are the reasons he looks somewhat listless out there. He's going to have to fight through that or...

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9 minutes ago, aGENT said:

While I agree the 'lacks effort' argument is quite overplayed by some, even ex-NHL'ers were commenting on him 'floating around' out there FWIW. It's not just a bitter fan theory.

 

Personally I think that's more of a confidence issue than 'try' issue though (as much as we may dislike what he's shown in Vancouver, I can guarantee he's even less happy about how he's played here).

 

IMO, his confidence, lack of production, age related decline, poor fit etc are the reasons he looks somewhat listless out there. He's going to have to fight through that or...

Does anyone keep track of top 6 to bottom 6 conversions? I suspect a drop in production of 1/2 is pretty normal. 

 

I do think part of the perceived "floating" is he's actually very good at positioning + a lack of hitting. If he finished a few more checks it might have altered the floater perception a lot even though it wouldn't have effected the outcome of any of the games if Loui had say 75 hits instead of 3. 

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14 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Does anyone keep track of top 6 to bottom 6 conversions? I suspect a drop in production of 1/2 is pretty normal. 

 

I do think part of the perceived "floating" is he's actually very good at positioning + a lack of hitting. If he finished a few more checks it might have altered the floater perception a lot even though it wouldn't have effected the outcome of any of the games if Loui had say 75 hits instead of 3. 

Truth is somewhere in the middle.

 

Like I said, I think the 'only 3 hits?!? :frantic:' narrative is massively overplayed. Particularly as that's never been his play style. 

 

But you can also tell he looks (understandably) unhappy, defeated, lacking confidence etc and it's affecting his play. He doesn't look like 'classic' LE, giving 110%. He's playing like defeated LE and it shows. Let's not gloss that over as it's just as bad as the folks who are broken records about the 3 hits.

 

He's got a massive uphill battle to fight through both that ^^^, and the depth we've added pushing him closer to the edge of the roster. We're highly unlikely to waive a younger, cheaper, more valuable player to keep him and that doesn't even include a guy like Goldobin, Gaudette, MacEwan, Bailey etc pushing for a spot either. He's FAR from anything resembling a secured roster spot and there's pretty clear reasons for that.

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1 minute ago, aGENT said:

Truth is somewhere in the middle.

 

Like I said, I think the 'only 3 hits?!? :frantic:' narrative is massively overplayed. Particularly as that's never been his play style. 

 

But you can also tell he looks (understandably) unhappy, defeated, lacking confidence etc and it's affecting his play. He doesn't look like 'classic' LE, giving 110%. He's playing like defeated LE and it shows. Let's not gloss that over as it's just as bad as the folks who are broken records about the 3 hits.

 

He's got a massive uphill battle to fight through both that ^^^, and the depth we've added pushing him closer to the edge of the roster. We're highly unlikely to waive a younger, cheaper, more valuable player to keep him and that doesn't even include a guy like Goldobin, Gaudette, MacEwan, Bailey etc pushing for a spot either. He's FAR from anything resembling a secured roster spot and there's pretty clear reasons for that.

yeah its hard to argue with any of that :sadno:

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Just now, Jimmy McGill said:

yeah its hard to argue with any of that :sadno:

And that's not to say he can't still be an NHL player (can't stand that narrative either), he just might not be able to be one HERE.

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10 minutes ago, aGENT said:

And that's not to say he can't still be an NHL player (can't stand that narrative either), he just might not be able to be one HERE.

I think you'd see a different player on a top 9 role with Dallas. Problem is the cost to get him there. I guess we'll find out in 9 days or so if Loui's at camp. 

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4 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I think you'd see a different player on a top 9 role with Dallas. Problem is the cost to get him there. I guess we'll find out in 9 days or so if Loui's at camp. 

A cost I don't think the Canucks are in any hurry to pay. If he wasn't turning down trades to places like OTT...then maybe that situation could be different. I think he's overplayed his hand there.

 

I think he'll be at camp but the chances of him nailing a top 13 spot are SLIM IMO, barring injuries. At best, he's likely 13th F until Roussel's back. Whether after camp or when Roussel's back...he's highly likely Utica bound IMO.

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1 hour ago, aGENT said:

While I agree the 'lacks effort' argument is quite overplayed by some, even ex-NHL'ers were commenting on him 'floating around' out there FWIW. It's not just a bitter fan theory.

 

Personally I think that's more of a confidence issue than 'try' issue though (as much as we may dislike what he's shown in Vancouver, I can guarantee he's even less happy about how he's played here).

 

IMO, his confidence, lack of production, age related decline, poor fit etc are the reasons he looks somewhat listless out there. He's going to have to fight through that or...

Just curious, which ex-NHLer's were commenting on it? These ex-NHLer's could be the work hard types that also do not understand (or aren't able to process the game in the same way) that being positionally sound (being able to read plays rather than react to it) can accomplish the same job and can deem him as "floating". It's like people are annoyed because they think that Goldobin doesn't have the passion for the game because he's isn't overly pissed off when making mistakes or what not, yet he's talking to his coach every week about how to improve his game.

 

Green is mocked for saying that LE is doing the "little things" that work, but it's exactly that in that he knows how to read the game which is what makes him effective in a role defensively. LE wants to produce more offense and he's paid to do so, so it's understandable that he would like to be given more of an opportunity to do so (yes he has to earn it). He's shown short stints where he does click on an offensive line, but because he can play the defensive game and others are learning, he gets bumped back to the defensive line more often than he would like I imagine.

 

There's definitely decline and most likely a confidence issue here and I agree that he needs to battle through it to win a spot, but I just think there are many here trying way too hard to justify that he doesn't have any worth to the team. Even if he's in Utica, we are still paying him, so we should hope that he can be productive enough to earn a spot and hopefully give himself enough value to be traded or help this team out. That's all we (as Canucks fans) should hope for in this situation at this point rather than run him down unnecessarily.

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3 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

Just curious, which ex-NHLer's were commenting on it? These ex-NHLer's could be the work hard types that also do not understand (or aren't able to process the game in the same way) that being positionally sound (being able to read plays rather than react to it) can accomplish the same job and can deem him as "floating". It's like people are annoyed because they think that Goldobin doesn't have the passion for the game because he's isn't overly pissed off when making mistakes or what not, yet he's talking to his coach every week about how to improve his game.

 

Green is mocked for saying that LE is doing the "little things" that work, but it's exactly that in that he knows how to read the game which is what makes him effective in a role defensively. LE wants to produce more offense and he's paid to do so, so it's understandable that he would like to be given more of an opportunity to do so (yes he has to earn it). He's shown short stints where he does click on an offensive line, but because he can play the defensive game and others are learning, he gets bumped back to the defensive line more often than he would like I imagine.

 

There's definitely decline and most likely a confidence issue here and I agree that he needs to battle through it to win a spot, but I just think there are many here trying way too hard to justify that he doesn't have any worth to the team. Even if he's in Utica, we are still paying him, so we should hope that he can be productive enough to earn a spot and hopefully give himself enough value to be traded or help this team out. That's all we (as Canucks fans) should hope for in this situation at this point rather than run him down unnecessarily.

 

IIRC a few of them were Ferraro, McLennan and O'Neill...I think there was a couple other guys too but here's probably the most vitriolic (if largely true) instance:

 

 

 

I agree some people are going too far to try to justify the '3 hits?!!' and 'not an NHL'er' narratives. The sad part is...they don't really need to go that far to reach largely the same (albeit less dramatic) conclusion.

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35 minutes ago, aGENT said:

 

IIRC a few of them were Ferraro, McLennan and O'Neill...I think there was a couple other guys too but here's probably the most vitriolic (if largely true) instance:

 

 

 

I agree some people are going too far to try to justify the '3 hits?!!' and 'not an NHL'er' narratives. The sad part is...they don't really need to go that far to reach largely the same (albeit less dramatic) conclusion.

Ah a bunch of TSN hires commenting on the Canucks. Wonder how their commentary would change if a Toronto player was in the same situation.

 

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2 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

Ah a bunch of TSN hires commenting on the Canucks. Wonder how their commentary would change if a Toronto player was in the same situation.

 

Baby. Bath water.

 

They're not wrong.

 

1 hour ago, aGENT said:

Let's not gloss that over as it's just as bad as the folks who are broken records about the 3 hits.

 

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7 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Baby. Bath water.

 

They're not wrong.

 

 

Didn't say they were "wrong", but I'm sure the emphasis would've differed otherwise. If the motive is to run down a player (or in this case, create unnecessary drama), then you exaggerate like saying he "floats" or whatever.

 

Bottom line is he's overpaid for someone expected to produce offense. He's effective defensively and a "floater" would not be. His confidence is low or simply he's declining, but to suggest he isn't trying isn't fair. They seem to ignore the fact that Green puts LE on the ice for key defensive situations and assignments and are making the comments like he can't play at all. Much like the drivel that gets posted here. Just because they're "ex-NHLers' doesn't make it all that much more credible in this case IMO.

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2 hours ago, aGENT said:

Baby. Bath water.

 

They're not wrong.

 

 

Doesn’t really matter if they’re right or not or what they’re saying, if it’s Ferraro and O’Neiil we're talking about it has no value IMO. 

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6 minutes ago, J-P said:

Doesn’t really matter if they’re right or not or what they’re saying, if it’s Ferraro and O’Neiil we're talking about it has no value IMO. 

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4 hours ago, aGENT said:

A cost I don't think the Canucks are in any hurry to pay. If he wasn't turning down trades to places like OTT...then maybe that situation could be different. I think he's overplayed his hand there.

 

I think he'll be at camp but the chances of him nailing a top 13 spot are SLIM IMO, barring injuries. At best, he's likely 13th F until Roussel's back. Whether after camp or when Roussel's back...he's highly likely Utica bound IMO.

did he turn down Ottawa? I only heard about Edmonton (can't really blame him on that one :lol:). Ottawa is a really nice city tho. 

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3 hours ago, aGENT said:

Baby. Bath water.

 

They're not wrong.

 

 

I like people that are real / honest and everything they said is true! While I haven’t been one to dump on Eriksson, I agree with them and I’d rather he wasn’t on the team. 1) because he’d be of no use and someone else more useful could take that spot. 2) because there’s no need to have his attitude / example on the team. I hope they end up sending him to Utica. 

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46 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

did he turn down Ottawa? I only heard about Edmonton (can't really blame him on that one :lol:). Ottawa is a really nice city tho. 

'Rumours'

 

Nobody's going to substantiate anything but it's rumoured he turned down EDM as well as possibly OTT and was trying to force a deal to DAL that we quite understandably aren't willing to pay the price DAL demanded on.

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