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1 hour ago, aGENT said:

'Rumours'

 

Nobody's going to substantiate anything but it's rumoured he turned down EDM as well as possibly OTT and was trying to force a deal to DAL that we quite understandably aren't willing to pay the price DAL demanded on.

Oy.

 

Well apparently he was skating with the guys today. Maybe thats a good sign, I'm sure he wants to settle things with Green asap and who knows, maybe he's REALLY motivated now. 

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1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Oy.

 

Well apparently he was skating with the guys today. Maybe thats a good sign, I'm sure he wants to settle things with Green asap and who knows, maybe he's REALLY motivated now. 

The prevailing view here is that he has played his last regular season game with the Canucks. 

And it isn't about the money.  It's about the fact that he seems not to be good enough anymore to play in the top 6.  And the bottom 6 or 7 forwards all have greater upside or are simply better at that role.  My guess is that he plays some pre-season games but gets sent to Utica.  Motivation isn't going to matter, presumably.

Top 6:  Pearson, Horvat, Ferland, Baertschi, Pettersson, Boeser.  (I can't see him replacing any of these guys, not even  close.)

Bottom 6: Miller (more likely a top 6 guy, especially if Baertschi is too fragile), Sutter, Virtanen, Beagle, Roussel, Leivo.

13th forward: Motte.

Remaining special players with upside: Goldobin, and Gaudette.  That makes 15.  Actually 2 too many players I believe.

I don't see Eriksson placing above Motte, or Gaudette or even Goldobin.  So, Utica for him, as would be the case for Schaller I think.  As was the case with Gagner and Higgins previously. We aren't short top 6 guys anymore, that makes all the difference for him, pushes him down and out of the lineup.  Pearson came late in the season, and Ferland and Miller came in the summer: that's 3 starting players, possibly all of them top 6, certainly top 9. 

 

It has been hard for most fans -- myself included -- to fully appreciate how much this team has changed in a couple of months. Eriksson is going to experience what Hutton did, but unlike the situation of Hutton, it will be fully deserved and will receive very little sympathy or fanfare.  I'd rather have Hutton by far than LE.

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13 minutes ago, gameburn said:

The prevailing view here is that he has played his last regular season game with the Canucks. 

And it isn't about the money.  It's about the fact that he seems not to be good enough anymore to play in the top 6.  And the bottom 6 or 7 forwards all have greater upside or are simply better at that role.  My guess is that he plays some pre-season games but gets sent to Utica.  Motivation isn't going to matter, presumably.

Top 6:  Pearson, Horvat, Ferland, Baertschi, Pettersson, Boeser.  (I can't see him replacing any of these guys, not even  close.)

Bottom 6: Miller (more likely a top 6 guy, especially if Baertschi is too fragile), Sutter, Virtanen, Beagle, Roussel, Leivo.

13th forward: Motte.

Remaining special players with upside: Goldobin, and Gaudette.  That makes 15.  Actually 2 too many players I believe.

I don't see Eriksson placing above Motte, or Gaudette or even Goldobin.  So, Utica for him, as would be the case for Schaller I think.  As was the case with Gagner and Higgins previously. We aren't short top 6 guys anymore, that makes all the difference for him, pushes him down and out of the lineup.  Pearson came late in the season, and Ferland and Miller came in the summer: that's 3 starting players, possibly all of them top 6, certainly top 9. 

 

It has been hard for most fans -- myself included -- to fully appreciate how much this team has changed in a couple of months. Eriksson is going to experience what Hutton did, but unlike the situation of Hutton, it will be fully deserved and will receive very little sympathy or fanfare.  I'd rather have Hutton by far than LE.

in a vacuum I think Loui still has more utility and bigger skill set than Motte and even Leivo, but with the new-look top 6 and need for space for Baer, Sutter, Jake, Beagle, Roussel and Goldy,  Loui's the odd guy out. There's no use putting him in as the 13th F either. 

 

I think Loui's decline has been overblown and given too much personal blame. I do think the guy is trying. But as you point out, the fit is hard to see. 

 

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1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

in a vacuum I think Loui still has more utility and bigger skill set than Motte and even Leivo, but with the new-look top 6 and need for space for Baer, Sutter, Jake, Beagle, Roussel and Goldy,  Loui's the odd guy out. There's no use putting him in as the 13th F either. 

 

I think Loui's decline has been overblown and given too much personal blame. I do think the guy is trying. But as you point out, the fit is hard to see. 

 

As a man who is older now, I have come to feel some sympathy for him.  It was tough watching Higgins go through this a few years back. If there was no salary cap, I wonder if Loui wouldn't simply move on to another team.  Such high expectations, such a wad of cash... if everyone were paid a flat 3 million a year, and then productivity bonuses (according to a formula) were added on to players from there...  I suspect that his experience and pk work (at 3.9 million a year) would not have made him a target.  

 

My outsider's opinion on the CBA is that they need this kind of system: a flat rate for half of the available money, then additions to players according to measurable utility/productivity as well as ranking on the team.  Hard to come up with that second set of numbers, I know, but something has got to change.  The RFA problem is only half of what's wrong, imo, and that is bad enough (wait til we see Boeser miss 30 games and play rusty for two thirds of the year.) 

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https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/eriksson-i-am-focused-on-playing-for-vancouver~1776435

I love he said he puts in his best efforts in every game. Like in what world because from what I've seen for the past 3 years is a guy that has put in zero effort and only showed to collect his money he really needs to go #LUTCIA 

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2 hours ago, CanucksCountry said:

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/eriksson-i-am-focused-on-playing-for-vancouver~1776435

I love he said he puts in his best efforts in every game. Like in what world because from what I've seen for the past 3 years is a guy that has put in zero effort and only showed to collect his money he really needs to go #LUTCIA 

Again you don't play as well defensively as he has the last three seasons by putting zero effort in. 

 

His offence has dried up but he's not lacking effort in the rest of his game. 

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28 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Again you don't play as well defensively as he has the last three seasons by putting zero effort in. 

 

His offence has dried up but he's not lacking effort in the rest of his game. 

Yea people have really been blinded by his pay check. If he was making half of what he does no one would be complaining.

 

His work on the pk and late in games definitely helped us win a few last season.

 

He just needs to bury more opportunities.

 

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2 hours ago, CanucksCountry said:

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/eriksson-i-am-focused-on-playing-for-vancouver~1776435

I love he said he puts in his best efforts in every game. Like in what world because from what I've seen for the past 3 years is a guy that has put in zero effort and only showed to collect his money he really needs to go #LUTCIA 

Wonder if we could get a luuuutica chant going if he really does have a horrible start.

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15 minutes ago, Hamhuis Hip Check said:

Wonder if we could get a luuuutica chant going if he really does have a horrible start.

And further tarnish the reputation of Vancouver fans? No thanks.

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2 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Yea people have really been blinded by his pay check. If he was making half of what he does no one would be complaining.

 

His work on the pk and late in games definitely helped us win a few last season.

 

He just needs to bury more opportunities.

 

If Roussel weren't injured, I think it would be really obvious that there is no place for LE in the starting lineup. (Ferland, Miller, Horvat, Pettersson, Pearson, Baertschi, Sutter, Virtanen all rank higher than LE in the depth chart, and Beagle, Leivo and Motte are not likely to be sent down/traded. Gaudette keeps getting better and we have a new player in Perron who could very well make the team. MacEwen too, is not a longshot to start.)  Loui is old for an NHLer; and he has a LOT of competition here.  I think he is done.

 

Media people have suggested lately, however, that LE "will have to live up to his paycheck" now that Boeser is out, due to RFA negotiations. They genuinely see him as a potential replacement for Boeser or at least as someone who has to rise to the occasion now that we appear to be short-handed.  I am very skeptical that LE fills in for Boeser in any way.  His most likely trajectory is toward Utica, either at the start of the season or later when either Roussel returns or Gaudette pots a few goals in the same month.

 

Loui's comments over the summer together with the recent signings along with the natural growth of players like Virtanen, Gaudette and MacEwen makes Loui's survival on the big team highly unlikely.   I can see Green quietly recommending to Benning at the end of pre-season that MacEwen and Perron played better than LE and deserve to start.    

 

I forgot the other signing: Goldobin.  He is due to have a good pre-season, yet more competition for LE.

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6 hours ago, gameburn said:

If Roussel weren't injured, I think it would be really obvious that there is no place for LE in the starting lineup. (Ferland, Miller, Horvat, Pettersson, Pearson, Baertschi, Sutter, Virtanen all rank higher than LE in the depth chart, and Beagle, Leivo and Motte are not likely to be sent down/traded. Gaudette keeps getting better and we have a new player in Perron who could very well make the team. MacEwen too, is not a longshot to start.)  Loui is old for an NHLer; and he has a LOT of competition here.  I think he is done.

 

Media people have suggested lately, however, that LE "will have to live up to his paycheck" now that Boeser is out, due to RFA negotiations. They genuinely see him as a potential replacement for Boeser or at least as someone who has to rise to the occasion now that we appear to be short-handed.  I am very skeptical that LE fills in for Boeser in any way.  His most likely trajectory is toward Utica, either at the start of the season or later when either Roussel returns or Gaudette pots a few goals in the same month.

 

Loui's comments over the summer together with the recent signings along with the natural growth of players like Virtanen, Gaudette and MacEwen makes Loui's survival on the big team highly unlikely.   I can see Green quietly recommending to Benning at the end of pre-season that MacEwen and Perron played better than LE and deserve to start.    

 

I forgot the other signing: Goldobin.  He is due to have a good pre-season, yet more competition for LE.

Yeah I have a hard time seeing where he fits in our top 13 and that's without MacEwan, Bailey, Gaudette etc pushing for spots as you noted.

 

He might have a spot as the spare should Boeser continue to hold out or if there's further injuries...otherwise short of him having a miraculous revival in his play... I don't see where he fits.

 

Added to all this, it actually helps our cap situation for signing Boeser to demote guys making $1,075,000 or more on the edge of the roster vs guys making less than that (ie: Motte, Goldobin, Fantenberg or Biega).

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8 minutes ago, aGENT said:

should Boeser continue to hold out

He does not have a contract, thus he is not "holding out".

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On 9/4/2019 at 7:25 PM, Jimmy McGill said:

in a vacuum I think Loui still has more utility and bigger skill set than Motte and even Leivo, but with the new-look top 6 and need for space for Baer, Sutter, Jake, Beagle, Roussel and Goldy,  Loui's the odd guy out. There's no use putting him in as the 13th F either. 

 

I think Loui's decline has been overblown and given too much personal blame. I do think the guy is trying. But as you point out, the fit is hard to see. 

 

It's a ridiculous idea to say Gaudette, Schaller, or Motte are better than LE. Eriksson only sucks because he's making 3M too much AAV

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3 minutes ago, 5Fivehole0 said:

It's a ridiculous idea to say Gaudette, Schaller, or Motte are better than LE. Eriksson only sucks because he's making 3M too much AAV

I certainly think Gaudette CAN be better at some point, maybe even next year but not today. 

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13 hours ago, DeNiro said:

If he was making half of what he does no one would be complaining.

 

But he's not thus the complaining that is extremely warranted.

 

2 hours ago, 5Fivehole0 said:

It's a ridiculous idea to say Gaudette, Schaller, or Motte are better than LE. Eriksson only sucks because he's making 3M too much AAV

Not it's not.  Schaller sucked no question but Motte on the defensive end is a comparable and Gaudette can be as good as Loui within the year if giving the opportunity, it's not as far fetch as you make it out to be.  It's not just his caphit, it's pretty clear he's checked out.  Sure he may come in and go through the motions and his teammates will spit out the usual soundbites but if his head is not in it he is stealing a roster space from someone that could develop into his role at a much cheaper rate.  Something we all can relate is when a co-worker is not pulling their weight it affects everyone negatively.  

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45 minutes ago, Tre Mac said:

But he's not thus the complaining that is extremely warranted.

 

Not it's not.  Schaller sucked no question but Motte on the defensive end is a comparable and Gaudette can be as good as Loui within the year if giving the opportunity, it's not as far fetch as you make it out to be.  It's not just his caphit, it's pretty clear he's checked out.  Sure he may come in and go through the motions and his teammates will spit out the usual soundbites but if his head is not in it he is stealing a roster space from someone that could develop into his role at a much cheaper rate.  Something we all can relate is when a co-worker is not pulling their weight it affects everyone negatively.  

Its not clear he's checked out. That's called speculation, not fact. And I disagree... Gaudette has promise but he hasn't even come close to LEs measly production

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5 hours ago, aGENT said:

Yeah I have a hard time seeing where he fits in our top 13 and that's without MacEwan, Bailey, Gaudette etc pushing for spots as you noted.

 

He might have a spot as the spare should Boeser continue to hold out or if there's further injuries...otherwise short of him having a miraculous revival in his play... I don't see where he fits.

 

Added to all this, it actually helps our cap situation for signing Boeser to demote guys making $1,075,000 or more on the edge of the roster vs guys making less than that (ie: Motte, Goldobin, Fantenberg or Biega).

Hadn't realized Cap would work that way, but it sounds right.  

On the positive side: the LE signing is going to be remembered around here for a century; which has to be useful for present and future GMs.  A bit like the British Foreign Office's motto that lasted for a century, "avoid a land war in Asia."   Ours: "avoid long-term contracts for all UFAs 30 or more years of age."  

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