AntiTank Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 We clearly have a big line-up on defense. The Pairings: 1. Edler-Tanev 2. Hutton-Gudbranson 3. _____-Larsen Then we have Pedan, Biega, Tryamkin, Sbisa, Larsen (I think that's it). There was another post about who stays, goes, press box etc. so I won't go too deeply into that. Conclusion is we don't really need Sbisa and his $3.6 mil cap. He got the job based on his physicality and net-front-clearing ability, not for say his offensive prowess etc. We got him to make our defense tougher. Now we have Guddy, Pedan who is waiver-eligible, Tryamkin with an out-clause; IMO no room or need for Sbisa. JB said he wanted a winger with grit, size, physicality and scoring ability. If we are going to land a guy like Kane or Landeskog it's going to cost us big. Guys like Tanev or Virt or Baer + picks (do we even have any more to give away...) which does not seem to be going along with the "re-build on the fly" or rebuild notion at all. What if we go for lower-level options? Edmonton probably wants to get rid of Yakupov, they have needs on defense. The Red Wings are probably going to have to unload somebody, if they do it's probably going to be Tatar or Nyquist. The same goes for the lightning, Callahan, Filppula are on the rumor mill. Vermette is probably going to be bought out. I do realise that some of these guys are not cheap. But isn't it better for a team to have money invested in players that play rather than sit in the press box or are down in the minors? So my question is, besides the big names like the ones Botch put on the Provies, who would you like to invest in while trading Sbisa away? Opinions!!!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adarsh Sant Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 There's been like 20 different threads surrounding this type of topic. Lets just wait and see what JB does before starting these threads again. Agreed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 I'm not so sure about penciling in Larsen. He's an unknown quantity and isn't known for being solid defensively. While he can't be worse than Weber, it remains to be seen if he's much better. No sense in gifting him a spot unless he proves he can actually play DEFENSE, Edler-Tanev Sbisa-Gudbranson Huitton-Tryamkin Pedan Larsen Looks solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Sbisa is trade bait at the moment. Expensive, 5/6D trade bait to a good team. A good fit for a team that needs to spend up to the cap that needs a 3/4D. I don't expect more than a 2nd or 3rd round pick for him. Maybe a low pick and a throw away prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, xereau said: Sbisa is trade bait at the moment. Expensive, 5/6D trade bait to a good team. A good fit for a team that needs to spend up to the cap that needs a 3/4D. I don't expect more than a 2nd or 3rd round pick for him. Maybe a low pick and a throw away prospect. Would be a mistake to give him up for next to nothing. He played better than he got credit for last season playing minutes above his pay grade. He also got paired with a complete liablility in Weber. Pair him up with Gudbranson and watch his value grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richado Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 If we enter the season with the defense as is, I feel like we'll see Larsen and Tryamkin rotate on that 6th spot. Sbisa is above Larsen on the depth chart, at least until we know what we've got with Larsen. Tryamkin is looking promising but he's probably going to need to sit out every now and then as he transitions his game to the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 I don't think anything happens until training camp. Once Jimbo sees his d-men play, and who works with who, he'll make a move. If I was a betting man though, I would say Sbisa is getting traded, maybe to a team like the Devils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Am I missing something here? I saw great physicality from Tryamkin last year.I don't understand why there is so much doubt on his play. I don't see him as a 7-8 D man at all. His poke checks were awesome he hit like a ton of bricks he has a wicked slapshot. I think his upside puts him on the top 6 for sure ahead of Larsen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Avery Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 If Sbisa plays like $&!# in preseason, then they should trade him to a team with lots of cap space like Arizona, for anything really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 with the amount of injuries we had last year, do you really want to move nhl d-men on our roster...plus teams will be asking for tanev and hutton...a team might take sbisa but will want to give us, their sbisa in return... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 I feel like some posters are equating the current Sbisa to the Sbosa from 2014/15. Those are two different players. At this point Sbisa is our #5 with Tryamkin, Larsen and Pedan competing for the last spot. One of our Dmen are eventually going to get injured. Why would we trade away our new found depth at D before the season starts and before we actually need it? Sbisa's play improved last year and I don't see why it wouldn't do the same this year. If we find Sbisa expendable due to good play from Larsen, Tryamkin and/or Pedan then great, but at this point that is t the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 26 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: Am I missing something here? I saw great physicality from Tryamkin last year.I don't understand why there is so much doubt on his play. I don't see him as a 7-8 D man at all. His poke checks were awesome he hit like a ton of bricks he has a wicked slapshot. I think his upside puts him on the top 6 for sure ahead of Larsen. No you are not. Other people are. It's a tough call because we all know that Benning has high hopes for Larsen and at a $3.6 cap hit, does anybody see Sbisa out of the top 6? As a bottom pairing D, Sbisa is perfectly fine (albeit over paid). I would be happiest with: Edler Tanev Hutton Gudbranson Tryamkin Larsen.........but that is a line up that has questions like putting 3.6M in the press box and does Larsen even make the team? The question for me is, who outside of the top 4 could fill in if there is an injury? Which is why that for this coming season, Sbisa will make the top 6 and Tryamkin will also be in the picture but at 6/7. We have no idea about Larsen as a top 4 fill in and the others don't cut it. How the chips fall depends on how things go at camp and over the first number of games. I've named 7 D so far and based on experience, I think Biega is the 8th which leaves Pedan on the outside looking in. Do we want to waive Pedan? I have a hard time with that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.53 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 1 hour ago, King Heffy said: I'm not so sure about penciling in Larsen. He's an unknown quantity and isn't known for being solid defensively. While he can't be worse than Weber, it remains to be seen if he's much better. No sense in gifting him a spot unless he proves he can actually play DEFENSE, Edler-Tanev Sbisa-Gudbranson Huitton-Tryamkin Pedan Larsen Looks solid. I think the OP (by the way, i've been here for years and still don't know what OP stand for. Somebody help a brother out?) is right. Larsen can pretty much be penciled in for the third pairing. I have a feeling he didn't abandon his former team where he was proven to be extremely successful to come back to the NHL to be the 8th dman. (I also believe something similar to Anton Rodin, but that's for another threat.) I think he, and Benning, are pretty confident he will be in the lineup, at worst, 7th man, but honestly bottom paring. I also wouldn't really call Larsen an unknown quantity. He's been in the NHL before and was not exactly a bad player. He wasn't exactly an impact player, but definitely a guy worthy of a bottom pairing role, even before he left the league. Also he brings something we need. A right handed PP specialist that can play special teams effectively. Benning brought Larsen in so he could run the PP from the point. His whole purpose is to help get out PP back on track. He will be given a solid chance to do that, and unless he falters, he'll stay in the lineup. We have guys that bring was Sbisa brings if not more, including Tryamkin. I can't remember where the article was but it looked at Philip Larsen in depth compared to all our defensman, and concluded he would most likely be our number 1 PPQB option if not the second. (Which you kind of need 2 anyway) He simply just brings a needed skillset that we are lacking in, pretty much pencilling him in. I think the last spot is a battle between Sbisa and and Tryamkin. I could honestly see Sbisa beat out Tryamkin, giving him a couple games to be a healthy scratch and learn the North American game before being thrust in full time. Would also allow management to showcase Sbisa in case of trade. Keep in mind, according to all reports and numbers, Larsens defensive game and overall two-way game took major strides forward in Russia. Larsen is a wildcard for this team. If he can prove to a valuable member of the powerplay along with Eriksson and Doug Jarvis, he could be huge for this team. I think him and Benning came to an agreement. Come back, run our PP, regain your value in the league, then next year cash in and make your comeback. Whether it's with us or not. At least that's my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, Mr.53 said: I think the OP (by the way, i've been here for years and still don't know what OP stand for. Somebody help a brother out?) is right. Larsen can pretty much be penciled in for the third pairing. I have a feeling he didn't abandon his former team where he was proven to be extremely successful to come back to the NHL to be the 8th dman. (I also believe something similar to Anton Rodin, but that's for another threat.) I think he, and Benning, are pretty confident he will be in the lineup, at worst, 7th man, but honestly bottom paring. I also wouldn't really call Larsen an unknown quantity. He's been in the NHL before and was not exactly a bad player. He wasn't exactly an impact player, but definitely a guy worthy of a bottom pairing role, even before he left the league. Also he brings something we need. A right handed PP specialist that can play special teams effectively. Benning brought Larsen in so he could run the PP from the point. His whole purpose is to help get out PP back on track. He will be given a solid chance to do that, and unless he falters, he'll stay in the lineup. We have guys that bring was Sbisa brings if not more, including Tryamkin. I can't remember where the article was but it looked at Philip Larsen in depth compared to all our defensman, and concluded he would most likely be our number 1 PPQB option if not the second. (Which you kind of need 2 anyway) He simply just brings a needed skillset that we are lacking in, pretty much pencilling him in. I think the last spot is a battle between Sbisa and and Tryamkin. I could honestly see Sbisa beat out Tryamkin, giving him a couple games to be a healthy scratch and learn the North American game before being thrust in full time. Would also allow management to showcase Sbisa in case of trade. Keep in mind, according to all reports and numbers, Larsens defensive game and overall two-way game took major strides forward in Russia. Larsen is a wildcard for this team. If he can prove to a valuable member of the powerplay along with Eriksson and Doug Jarvis, he could be huge for this team. I think him and Benning came to an agreement. Come back, run our PP, regain your value in the league, then next year cash in and make your comeback. Whether it's with us or not. At least that's my opinion. OP - Original Poster.....the guy who started the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Sbisa is our token Italian. He's not going anywhere unless we replace him with another Italian. Francesco already mentioned this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 I don't see Sbsia being traded unless it is for a forward that can bring similar gritty, tough to play against qualities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 7 minutes ago, Harvey Spector said: Sbisa is our token Italian. He's not going anywhere unless we replace him with another Italian. Francesco already mentioned this... Wish we could just replace Francesco then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbaCHUCK Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 sounds like another Ballard situation. does he play? or watch from the press box. might even get traded b4 the season starts. why start this tread?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 The case for Luca Sbisa: He's gonna be great for us this year and would b a solid top 4 dman on most teams in the league. He's CDC's most hated man... Not sure why? Maybe because he's not Canadian? Maybe because most feel JB overpaid? Maybe because he's an absolute gamer and plays tough as nails? Wait can't be that 3rd one. Luca is good. Leave him alone ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 The case of pizza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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