TheAce Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 4 hours ago, Hutton Wink said: They had an initial offer from Dallas and countered, then Dallas took that offer to Calgary and the Flames upped the second to a conditional first and Dallas took it. They intended to get Russell all along, not Hamhuis, and paid more to get him. Sorry but your false narrative is old and stale. read what you just wrote..... they had the offer from Dallas and countered ...... ( thats what i said) , then they went to calgary with the offer who accepted it........ there is nothing false about what i wrote since you pretty much said the same thing. Dallas wanted Hamhuis which is why they came back and made another offer for Hamhuis and is also obvious since they made him a top priority when it came to UFA signings. The funny thing is, the only people who ever defend JB when it comes to last years deadline are some fans on here, otherwise every panelist or expert gave JB a thumbs down for his inability to get anything done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 13 hours ago, TheAce said: read what you just wrote..... they had the offer from Dallas and countered ...... ( thats what i said) , then they went to calgary with the offer who accepted it........ there is nothing false about what i wrote since you pretty much said the same thing. Dallas wanted Hamhuis which is why they came back and made another offer for Hamhuis and is also obvious since they made him a top priority when it came to UFA signings. The funny thing is, the only people who ever defend JB when it comes to last years deadline are some fans on here, otherwise every panelist or expert gave JB a thumbs down for his inability to get anything done You did not listen nor read. Calgary UPPED the offer. Dallas took the Canucks' offer and shopped it to Calgary, for the player they actually wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedinery33 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 On 8/23/2016 at 5:20 PM, Hutton Wink said: They had an initial offer from Dallas and countered, then Dallas took that offer to Calgary and the Flames upped the second to a conditional first and Dallas took it. They intended to get Russell all along, not Hamhuis, and paid more to get him. Sorry but your false narrative is old and stale. If their (Dallas) intent was in fact Russell, why is Russell still a free agent and Hamhuis signed with the Stars? Don't you think they would want to resign the player they gave up assets for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 10 minutes ago, Sedinery33 said: If their (Dallas) intent was in fact Russell, why is Russell still a free agent and Hamhuis signed with the Stars? Don't you think they would want to resign the player they gave up assets for... So you're premise is that they voluntarily gave up assets for a player that had no real interest in...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Sedinery33 said: If their (Dallas) intent was in fact Russell, why is Russell still a free agent and Hamhuis signed with the Stars? Don't you think they would want to resign the player they gave up assets for... Doesn't make much sense alright. They could have got Hamhuis for less than Russell (offer was on the table) so what other reason would there be for going with Russell over Hamhuis except that they wanted him more? Maybe now they realize they made a mistake, or perhaps Russell was asking too much to re-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedinery33 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 1 hour ago, J.R. said: So you're premise is that they voluntarily gave up assets for a player that had no real interest in...? I believe they had interest in a defender, and after balking at Vancouver's asking price for Hamhuis they decided Russell would be their next best option. After seeing how underwhelming Russell was (even though given big minutes) down the stretch and playoffs, they cut their losses and signed the guy they really wanted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 20 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: Doesn't make much sense alright. They could have got Hamhuis for less than Russell (offer was on the table) so what other reason would there be for going with Russell over Hamhuis except that they wanted him more? Maybe now they realize they made a mistake, or perhaps Russell was asking too much to re-up. It seems like it did turn out to be a mistake. Russell didn't do much to change their fortunes but they couldn't know that at the time. Every reputable hockey commenter including Bob Mackenzie said that Dallas wanted Russell and Hamhuis was plan B. I know it is hard for some people to accept that a deal just wasn't there to be had in spite of every bit of evidence suggesting it. Them making a lowball (mid to late round pick was reported) offer with 5 minutes to go before the trade deadline doesn't prove they were intent on Hamhuis all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedinery33 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 25 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: Doesn't make much sense alright. They could have got Hamhuis for less than Russell (offer was on the table) so what other reason would there be for going with Russell over Hamhuis except that they wanted him more? Maybe now they realize they made a mistake, or perhaps Russell was asking too much to re-up. I think they realized they made a mistake, along with the reported 5 mill per Russell was originally asking for (media speculation) probably weighed in on the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 1 hour ago, J.R. said: So you're premise is that they voluntarily gave up assets for a player that had no real interest in...? GMs, even the most successful, make mistakes. Maybe, Nill wanted Hamhuis, but the owners got involved? Maybe, Nill just made a mistake in his valuation of the two players? Maybe there was a deal to be had before Nill went for Russell, but the Canucks price was too high? We will never know the honest truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG AL Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Since Russell is still available chances are pretty good that he's asking for too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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