dpn1 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Something that has been bothering me since the draft is do we need a superstar scoring 50 to 55 goals or can we win with 2a, 2b, 3a and a 3b for lines instead of the usual lines 1,2,3 and 4th line. (I checked my spelling this time) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 "Why not both?" memes in 3-2-1... But in all seriousness, I don't think either option gets it done, other than a few rare exceptions. Contenders need star power and depth to have a real chance at taking home the Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 In this day and age, I would much prefer balanced scoring over a bonafide superstar. Yes, it's awesome to have a Richard trophy candidate in your line-up but it's a lot easier to shut down one guy versus a team where every line is a scoring threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 You can't shut down balanced scoring. That being said... A true Norris Candidate is what this franchise needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocksterh8 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Wow, your running at -14 already, you better not post anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Neither. We need a new Commish & BOG who don't see the Cdn franchises as a farm, feeder system for their beloved US markets. We also need world peace. Just don't get "bothered" easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpn1 Posted August 18, 2016 Author Share Posted August 18, 2016 If I stop posting I will never get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piggy Bank Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 In b4 'ovechkin gets 50-55 and hasnt won' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 19 minutes ago, dpn1 said: If I stop posting I will never get better. Send the troll to the depths of trollville! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where'd Luongo? Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, Rush17 said: Send the troll to the depths of trollville! Under the bridge Lives the troll Who never comes up When payed his toll But try to pass And you will see The troll will eat you Leaving only your knee Now you know The tail of thee So never go trolling Where a troll might see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 This is a rather blinders-on question, if you ask me. The fact is, it isn't just scoring that is going to win you a cup. It's defense. It's goaltending. It's physicality. It's effort. It's coaching. It's depth. It is lack of injuries, and luck. So, no to both of the points. It isn't balanced scoring OR a star(s) that will win you a cup. You have to have all the pieces put together more than any other team. So let's rephrase the question to: What is better.... balanced scoring, or a star (or two)? And in that regard, I'd say a bunch of fairly talented players is better than a bunch of players without talent, save for one or two superstars. With a balanced approach, as mentioned, you can't shut it down because you can't line match against balanced scoring. Plus, with a team where the scoring is primarily done by one or two players, you are in trouble if that player(s) go down with injury. So to answer the revised question - I believe it is always better with balanced scoring. Which is good for us - considering that we may not have a single star in our system once the Sedins retire, and even now I consider them 1b/2a players, as I don't believe they have the energy to compete at an elite level for an entire 82 game season. We have a bunch of good - perhaps excellent - 2nd to 4th line players. We have a far better defense this season. We have good goaltending which is likely to get even better. We have a bigger team. We SHOULD have an excited and hard working team. We have depth. Hopefully we have less injuries than last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forsy Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Imo it's never been about Balance or Superstar, it's about how many players/lines you have that can consistently penetrate their defense, close in and score. How many superstars do we see not scoring in the playoffs? A guy can get 50-65pts during the season, but won't be able to penetrate and score against a defense that is tough, fighting 110% because it's the playoffs. Another guy with the same 50-65pts can score a decent amount, regardless of the defense in front of him. 80+pts guys can generally score, even in the playoffs regardless, but some 70-80 pt guys are able to score 0.5-1ppg during the playoffs (considered to be a good or great playoff performance), where as other 80 or even 100pt guys will be stuck at 0.25ppg (not so good, but still contributing). In terms of # of players who can score consistently, you should look for at least 6 scorers, (at least 1-2 of them being defenseman to spread the threat). Lose someone due to injury in the playoffs, and a team who is poised to win the cup can suddenly lose the series. And if you don't have 6 guys scoring 0.5-1ppg in the playoffs, then you'd need a couple 0.25ppg guys to make up for each one you don't have. But it's the ability to penetrate, close and score, not the actual point stats that matter. In terms of # of lines, you traditionally wanted 2 scoring lines (because the tough opponents had a great shutdown defense pair) but defensive play has become well mapped out, and defensive systems becoming even more stifling, so you will most likely need 3 scoring lines (the 3rd can be slightly less effective though), as the opposing team will probably be able to field 3 great defenders split into shutting down two forward lines (2 great defenders can shutdown 2 forward lines too, but with 1 defenseman playing 30mins, partnering up with someone else half the time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Avery Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 What's the point of this topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laheys Liquor Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 1 hour ago, dpn1 said: Something that has been bothering me since the draft is do we need a superstar scoring 50 to 55 goals or can we win with 2a, 2b, 3a and a 3b for lines instead of the usual lines 1,2,3 and 4th line. (I checked my spelling this time) This has been bothering you? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 I think to be a Cup contender not only do you need a mix of star power and balanced scoring but also the defense and solid goaltending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 2 hours ago, xereau said: You can't shut down balanced scoring. That being said... A true Norris Candidate is what this franchise needs. Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 2 hours ago, dpn1 said: Something that has been bothering me since the draft is do we need a superstar scoring 50 to 55 goals or can we win with 2a, 2b, 3a and a 3b for lines instead of the usual lines 1,2,3 and 4th line. (I checked my spelling this time) While Crosby was a huge part of the cup win, scoring depth won that cup Hagelin Bonino Kessel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realtor Rod Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 What was the last team to win without a legitimate superstar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 44 minutes ago, TheRussianRocket. said: Bingo. Bingo to your bingo. We ABSOLUTELY need an elite number one D. Juiolevvi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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