MJDDawg Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 As others have said, they might waive in the off-season after sitting down with Trev. That's just the quality of people we're talking about here. But I really don't see it happening, if only because I don't see any team taking on a big cap hit for 37 year old players that haven't been 1.0 ppg players in 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 17 minutes ago, MJDDawg said: As others have said, they might waive in the off-season after sitting down with Trev. That's just the quality of people we're talking about here. But I really don't see it happening, if only because I don't see any team taking on a big cap hit for 37 year old players that haven't been 1.0 ppg players in 5 years. If it happens at all it will be in the final year at the trade deadline. But for the record, Benning has said he will not ask them to waive as long as he's here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 7 hours ago, nux4lyfe said: Benning already stated that they're going to retire as Canucks. /End Thread. Linden was traded, and he retired as a Canuck. It looks like the thread is still going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 If it meant kickstarting this pseudo-rebuild with high picks and top prospects, I'd be happy to see the Sedins traded today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 It’s fun to speculate but realistically there are so many variable to that would need to fit in order for it to work, and it just seems almost impossible to find a match. Asking teams interests Sedins are offensive players, they need offensive opportunity, so a team interested would have to have that opportunity available. Putting the Sedins on a third line (although sounds appealing) doesn’t really get full value out of the two players. There is only so many minutes in a game that can go around. Would twins still be as effective playing 16 minutes a game with limited PP time and more defensive zone starts? Return Canucks wouldn’t be giving them away for free. Remember a contending team will likely pick in the 24+ range so it’s not a top 10 pick. So we’d have to be looking for top prospect(s) + picks. The sedins aren’t young and it’s hard to see a team willing to give up the asking price for one and a half years of declining hockey. For comparison sake, Iggy got a 24th overall and two C level prospects. The return played not role in building future assets for the flames. Cap The team asking would also need cap space, not just for this year but next. NMC The real kicker, Sedins would have to want to go to the team. They have the say and that really narrows down the options and thus the return. So with all those variants, It's hard to find a real scenerio that would fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 9 hours ago, BowtieCanuck said: Exactly. To think at this point that they couid be moved or would be willing to be moved is bewildering. People used to say that about Raymond Bourque too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Riviera82 said: If it meant kickstarting this pseudo-rebuild with high picks and top prospects, I'd be happy to see the Sedins traded today. High picks and prospects? I would drive them to the airport!! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 The twins would have to: be really great to warrant the kind of return it'd take for us to even consider trading them be willing to be traded to the team able to offer that kind of return not have another year left on their contract since any contending team might be able to make it work at the deadline, but most likely won't be able to for the following season Of course, we'd have to take back something in the form of a camp dump to likely even make it work at the deadline, but considering there's a lot of questions on how to even make it work to begin with (and that this has been discussed to death, as recently as last month) and that neither sides really want a trade, it's about as unlikely as anything out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 11 hours ago, rawkdrummer said: My answer is always the same... the only place 22 & 33 are going is to the rafters at Rogers arena. ...That's just a pit stop to the HHOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 3 hours ago, Baggins said: If it happens at all it will be in the final year at the trade deadline. But for the record, Benning has said he will not ask them to waive as long as he's here. This. The only way this even maybe happens is next TDL if the Canucks are well out of the playoffs and the Sedins would likely have to approach management. Could work out well for us though. They go at the TDL for a decent return for a nice playoff run and hopefully cup on a contender and re-sign in the summer for 1-2 year deal at say ~$4-5m to a now deeper team. I would be A-OK with that scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Can't really compare the Sedins to Iginla, Alfredsson, Bourque and the many other vets who've left their original teams to try to win a Cup with a contender. Family and community seem to be a higher priority for the Sedins than winning a Cup. A Cup is also not guaranteed if you join a contender. Ask Iggy and Alfie. The Sedins are comfortable here, it's the only NHL team they've ever known. It's where they've grown from kids to adults, where they had and raised their own kids, where they put some roots and have been heavily involved with charities. They aren't going anywhere and probably believe the Canucks could still win a Cup while they're here. Love their loyalty and optimism. And if they don't win the Cup here, oh well, their numbers will still hang in the rafters one day and they'll go down as the two best Canucks of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedin Brothers Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 13 hours ago, 5Fivehole0 said: Haven't the Sedins already said they wouldn't ever waive? It's Vancouver or Sweden for them. I don't get why this comes up every year. But yes, I would agree to trade them, because once their contracts expire they would come right back to Van or go to Sweden. No they never said that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Here's the only thought on this that I perhaps haven't seen before: would a deal be possible at this deadline where we move the Sedins for picks/prospects/players (and likely an expiring cap dump) with essentially a second deal worked out for the offseason where we trade other assets (or some of the same) back for them, giving us a net gain? Obviously we couldn't be so direct as to collude with a team to promise a return deal at a set time, but could we give them a chance at a playoff run this year then take them back to keep the other team from cap hell the next season? That's a lot of what if's and still very unlikely, and it'd depend on the Sedins agreeing, the other team seeing it as beneficial, and a net return that'd make all the trouble worthwhile, but that's about the only thing interesting left to explore at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 No to trading the Sedins. I'm not sure how many times it needs to be brought up how important they are to this team. On and off the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 snowtire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted August 23, 2016 Author Share Posted August 23, 2016 3 hours ago, elvis15 said: Here's the only thought on this that I perhaps haven't seen before: would a deal be possible at this deadline where we move the Sedins for picks/prospects/players (and likely an expiring cap dump) with essentially a second deal worked out for the offseason where we trade other assets (or some of the same) back for them, giving us a net gain? Obviously we couldn't be so direct as to collude with a team to promise a return deal at a set time, but could we give them a chance at a playoff run this year then take them back to keep the other team from cap hell the next season? That's a lot of what if's and still very unlikely, and it'd depend on the Sedins agreeing, the other team seeing it as beneficial, and a net return that'd make all the trouble worthwhile, but that's about the only thing interesting left to explore at this point. I'd guess the league would intervene. Couldn't have such a deal(s) involving such high-profile players. Set a bad precedent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 19 hours ago, apollo said: Well said. That being said why would they sell out to win a cup? I'm sure ether know, like I do, that they are the 2011 cup Champs. Let's say a cup contender wants them and we have no choice but to move them, I'd make a deal like this. Also, any borderline playoff team, add the twins = cup contender imo. To avs sedins and 50% retained for 1 year For Nathan mackinnon and 3 1st rounders To Tampa sedins and 50% retained for 3 first rounders + Johnson To pens Sedins and 50% retained for Bonino and 3 first rounders... To nyr sedins 50% retained for zibanejad, + 4 first rounders My asking price is high. I'm a fan. Also, you trade the sedins and whoever team they go to, I automatically become a die hard fan of. Thought luongo to Florida would make me a huge fan but I kinda stopped caring about Florida... This would be something else though. As good as luongo was, he'll never be the sedins. 3 first rounders isn't necessarily that high if those teams finish at the top of the league. That could be as low as three 28th overall picks. Is that enough for the sedins? I would like one of those picks to be a highly touted pick. Especially with penguins. Edit. Mind you though your first one of mackinnon is pretty good given Colorado would finish lower in the standings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFsedins Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 10 hours ago, Riviera82 said: If it meant kickstarting this pseudo-rebuild with high picks and top prospects, I'd be happy to see the Sedins traded today. Im glad your not making the decision. You would be happy to see 2 of the greatest players if not the best in Canucks history leave the organization? Regardless of the rebuild, I think they deserve a heck lot more than that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 2 hours ago, HOFsedins said: Im glad your not making the decision. You would be happy to see 2 of the greatest players if not the best in Canucks history leave the organization? Regardless of the rebuild, I think they deserve a heck lot more than that reason. What if they had a chance to win a cup? Because they wont be doing that here, that's practically guaranteed. And if their comfort with one team and one city outweighs their desire to be champions, well then I would question their integrity as hockey players, not people, just hockey players. As of right now all they are doing is "mentoring" the younger players (whatever that means) and slowing down the actual rebuild which will most likely happen once they are traded or retired anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 17 hours ago, goalie13 said: Linden was traded, and he retired as a Canuck. It looks like the thread is still going. Of course Keenan never said anything like this about Linden.... Jim Benning says he’ll never ask the Sedins to waive their no-trade clauses. “Maybe if I’m gone and the next GM comes in, but that’s not happening under my watch,” says the Canucks’ general manager. http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Willes+Benning+says+would+never+force+trade+Sedins/11749582/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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