CaNuCkSLoUiE23 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 What a waste of a draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 53 minutes ago, timberz21 said: Crouse is overrated. Looked really good as a 17 years old, but seems like he hasn't progressed since. Getting rid of Bolland will be huge for Florida in a year or two. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, ReggieBush said: Arizona's major moves - Vrbata, Jamie McGinn, Goligoski. A step forward yes, but I would argue Vancouver got better as a team though, and Zona still has goaltending questions. Calgary's major moves Brian Elliot, Brouwer, Chiasson, Vey. Not sold on elliot as a #1 and Brouwer is getting old and his foot speed is not what is once was. But Vey! 7 minutes ago, ReggieBush said: Edmonton Puljujarvi is real good, but they gave up a 1st line forward for a Dman that imo is a poor fit for the western conference and quite frankly I believe Guddy is a better dman. And we payed less Lucic? 7 minutes ago, ReggieBush said: Vancouver's Moves Signed a 1st line forward in Eriksson, Brought in a physical shutdown top 4 dman, brought in two wildcard player who where massive for their teams overseas in Larsen and rodin. Not sure things by any stretch of the imagination but the potential for those two to have big impacts can not be ignored. Larsen as a bottom pair PP Specialist, and Rodin as a 2nd line winger capable of putting up 40-50 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 33 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Are you stating that this deal makes Arizona a stronger team for this season? I challenge you to look at what Arizona has lost this season compared to what they've gained. Their is zero change they improved their team in the short term. All there moves have been about the long term. Fine I'll do it. #1 Domi Hanzal Duclair vs Sedin Sedin Eriksson #2 Rieder Strome Doan vs Baertschi Sutter Hansen #3 Bolland Dauphin Vbrata Vs Rodin Horvat Etem #4 McGinn Richardson White vs Burrows Granlund Dorsett extra Crouse, Samuelsson vs Virtanen, Greiner, Gaunce LHD OEL, Stone, Michalek vs Edler, Hutton, Trymakin, Sbisa, Pedan RHD Goligoski, Murphy, Schenn, Connauton vs Tanev, Gudbranson, Larsen #1G Smith vs Miller #2G Domingue vs Markstrom From paper, there's not one line they have beat us for next season. They lost players like Vermette and Boedker and replaced that with Vbrata and Bolland. Sure they have a lot of young promising looking players, but most of them will not be on their NHL roster this year. Maybe in a few year with some NHL experience they start to improve there roster but throwing 20 years olds into big roles, in the NHL doesn't always work like Domi and Duclair did. Most of the time it turns out like McCann and Virtanen. Didn't Hanzal put out two Canucks in 2 shifts 18 months ago? As well aren't Domi and Duclair about 2 gears faster than our twins? Strome is arguably a far better C than Sutter, faster bigger more skilled. Doan is still a workhorse and Reider is only getting better That third line barring Horvat is a wash man, I question anyone penciling in Rodin as a difference maker 4th line is a near wash again They have far more extra's you haven't listed, almost matched us for points. Younger defence with a true #1 and added top 4 plus the Chychrun equation. Not to mention the deeper prospect pool. Plus of course Smith who is fighting for his professional life right now. I am sorry my man, these lines collectively aren't much different than last year and we didn't fare super well against them now did we. Adding 1 Gudbranson a healthy Sutter and a Rodin isn't exactly turning the team around even if we did lose Weber Bart and vey as they lost some of the same dead weight. But, they did have more 20+ point getters last year and still by that roster even with subtraction have more than us this year while having added some decent guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabychStache Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 The Arizona Cap Dumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 13 minutes ago, ReggieBush said: Arizona's major moves - Vrbata, Jamie McGinn, Goligoski. A step forward yes, but I would argue Vancouver got better as a team though, and Zona still has goaltending questions. Calgary's major moves Brian Elliot, Brouwer, Chiasson, Vey. Not sold on elliot as a #1 and Brouwer is getting old and his foot speed is not what is once was. Edmonton Puljujarvi is real good, but they gave up a 1st line forward for a Dman that imo is a poor fit for the western conference and quite frankly I believe Guddy is a better dman. And we payed less Vancouver's Moves Signed a 1st line forward in Eriksson, Brought in a physical shutdown top 4 dman, brought in two wildcard player who where massive for their teams overseas in Larsen and rodin. Not sure things by any stretch of the imagination but the potential for those two to have big impacts can not be ignored. Larsen as a bottom pair PP Specialist, and Rodin as a 2nd line winger capable of putting up 40-50 points. OK first, lemme stop ya right there. LOOK how you point form and marginalize EVERYONE elses moves while not doing the same for vancouver. Arizona's major moves: Shored up top 6, brought in more youth, and bostered biggest issue in defence by adding a 40+ point scoring threat and one of the top D of last years draft regardless of falling draft rank. Calgary's major moves: Older young defense, deeper defense, brought in some vets and did the 1 thing they NEEDED to. Brought in a true #1 D man. Calgary gets 3 more saves a game per game last year they're in the playoffs. I'd say they did alright without giving up ANY depth plus Tkachuk (?) Edmonton. Puljujarvi is real good, you know consensus top 3 draft pick best RW in 3 years entire hockey world shocked when Jackets took the other guy. But just real good, possibly only guy Oilers have to keep up with super stud McJesus. Opinion aside Larsson is a solid D man who is only going to get better, brought in Lucic to safeguard stars now have Maroon, Kassian and Lucic, added defense added goaltending got deeper finally. But hey...IMO right? Now Canucks. brought in top 6 eriksson. Lost Hamhuis for a younger larger Hamhuis with a shade less skating. Potential plus a pick gets you literal shart in a comment box, Rodin has done nothing and is recovering from absolute season ending surgery, Larsen is a pp what capable of what?? Larsen is a guy who washed out of edmonton and made a small name for himself in the KHL. NEITHER of them are anything but possibilites yet you manage to talk down to the other 3 teams int eh division and their gains this off season while touting two euro "stars" Sorry bud, it doesn't wash. As of right now, on paper we're the exact same team as last year via addition/subtraction and the other teams in the division addressed needs where they had to. Sorry if truth doesn't sit well with people. But churching up stuff to suit your talking points doesn't sit well with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeak Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Captain Woodget said: If true, that is a great deal for Arizona, and a terrible deal for Florida. The only way that deal makes sense for Florida is if they're bringing in a big name player with Bolland's salary - but there aren't any big name free agents left, so perhaps another trade... I would lean towards them saving that cap space for the deadline. With the pending expansion draft, teams will be more willing to more players - Florida will have oodles of cap space (pro-rated) to take on pretty much anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Wow! Florida got fleeced. Arizona picks up Crouse for a little cap and a 2nd in 2018? The 3rd is a push. Damn fine deal for Arizona, Crouse could play next year in a depth role comfortably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Oh my God! ARI traded two draft picks! Chayka must be the worst GM ever LOL (jk, being a little sarcastic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 27 minutes ago, BabychStache said: The Arizona Cap Dumps. I think just Dump has a nicer ring. The Phoenix Dump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigturk8 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 8 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Sorry bud, it doesn't wash. As of right now, on paper we're the exact same team as last year via addition/subtraction and the other teams in the division addressed needs where they had to. Sorry if truth doesn't sit well with people. But churching up stuff to suit your talking points doesn't sit well with me I agree with most of your post, but the bolded section is debatable. I would say our D is largely the same. Gudbranson should fill Hammers void and until proven otherwise, I see Larsen in the same light as Weber from last season. Personally, I think our D will be better because I expect Tryamkin to exceed some expectations this season, but that's not concrete and therefor I won't use it for my current assessment. I would; However, say that our forward group is stronger, specifically the top 6. Last season: Sedin - Sedin - Hansen Baertschi - Sutter - Vrbata This season: Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson Baertschi - Sutter - Hansen I would argue that Hansen will actually give us better production on the second line than Vrbata did, and Eriksson is an upgrade on Hansen on that first line. It's not a massive improvement, but I do see it as an improvement none the less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 35 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Didn't Hanzal put out two Canucks in 2 shifts 18 months ago? As well aren't Domi and Duclair about 2 gears faster than our twins? Strome is arguably a far better C than Sutter, faster bigger more skilled. Doan is still a workhorse and Reider is only getting better That third line barring Horvat is a wash man, I question anyone penciling in Rodin as a difference maker 4th line is a near wash again They have far more extra's you haven't listed, almost matched us for points. Younger defence with a true #1 and added top 4 plus the Chychrun equation. Not to mention the deeper prospect pool. Plus of course Smith who is fighting for his professional life right now. I am sorry my man, these lines collectively aren't much different than last year and we didn't fare super well against them now did we. Adding 1 Gudbranson a healthy Sutter and a Rodin isn't exactly turning the team around even if we did lose Weber Bart and vey as they lost some of the same dead weight. But, they did have more 20+ point getters last year and still by that roster even with subtraction have more than us this year while having added some decent guys. You have to joking. Seriously hippy you're not going to drop to that level are you? Hanzal is a better #1 center because he's a cheap shot? Because Domi and Duclair are faster they are better than the twins? Strome hasn't even played a game in the NHL and he's going to be better #2 C in his rookie year? Good Luck with that. Chychrun isn't even past the OHL level, he's got way more to learn at that level before he makes and Impact in the NHL. Prospect pool doesn't help them this year, not in making a playoff hunt. So because Smith is fighting for his career means Miller isn't? It means it's going to turn into the Smith of the past. Everything you said about the coyotes is hope. You hope Domi improves off a 50 point season, You hope Duclair improves off a 40 point season. You hope strome can come into the NHL smooth and be an impact in his rookie year, You a.hope Smith turns back time and plays lights out. You hope Chychrun not only make the NHL, but he's a impact D. And everything about canucks is assuming the worst. You assume Hank and Danny aren't 60-70 point players, You assume Rodin will suck You assume sutter healthy wont make an impact You assume Guddy doesn't make our D deeper and much better. Seems a little bias reasoning here. All your logic used, is at best 2nd grade level. Even Apollo has giving better reasoning before. I'm disappointed that would even post such garbage and state it as fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 18 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Oh my God! ARI traded two draft picks! Chayka must be the worst GM ever LOL (jk, being a little sarcastic) "I just don't get it....re-building teams are supposed to hoard picks, not trade them. I'm so confused. Are they re-building or re-jigging? Where's Gilman when you need him.....I mean, you build through the draft right? So why would you ever trade picks? You can have an unlimited number of prospects in the system right? But wait....these guys signed UFAs too....maybe they're not re-building at all. Ownership. It must be greedy ownership trying for the worthless playoffs. No GM would ever try to ice a competitive team. Ownership hand-picked this guy, so they're probably now having to twist his arm and force his hand. It must be. There was a rumour about it, so it's confirmed....I'm so so so confused...." Nothing to fear from the Dump....they've mortgaged the future for a first round exit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Arizona gets a good prospect in exchange for taking a locker room cancer and cap dump in Bolland. Going to be tough to make sure Bolland and Vrbata don't teach the youngsters their bad habits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay 22 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 56 minutes ago, ReggieBush said: Arizona's major moves - Vrbata, Jamie McGinn, Goligoski. A step forward yes, but I would argue Vancouver got better as a team though, and Zona still has goaltending questions. Calgary's major moves Brian Elliot, Brouwer, Chiasson, Vey. Not sold on elliot as a #1 and Brouwer is getting old and his foot speed is not what is once was. Edmonton Puljujarvi is real good, but they gave up a 1st line forward for a Dman that imo is a poor fit for the western conference and quite frankly I believe Guddy is a better dman. And we payed less Vancouver's Moves Signed a 1st line forward in Eriksson, Brought in a physical shutdown top 4 dman, brought in two wildcard player who where massive for their teams overseas in Larsen and rodin. Not sure things by any stretch of the imagination but the potential for those two to have big impacts can not be ignored. Larsen as a bottom pair PP Specialist, and Rodin as a 2nd line winger capable of putting up 40-50 points. Gudbranson is not better than Larsson. Just stop. All you need to do is look at the return for both players to see how they are viewed by GM's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 24 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Oh my God! ARI traded two draft picks! Chayka must be the worst GM ever LOL (jk, being a little sarcastic) 10 minutes ago, WhoseTruckWasIt said: "I just don't get it....re-building teams are supposed to hoard picks, not trade them. I'm so confused. Are they re-building or re-jigging? Where's Gilman when you need him.....I mean, you build through the draft right? So why would you ever trade picks? You can have an unlimited number of prospects in the system right? But wait....these guys signed UFAs too....maybe they're not re-building at all. Ownership. It must be greedy ownership trying for the worthless playoffs. No GM would ever try to ice a competitive team. Ownership hand-picked this guy, so they're probably now having to twist his arm and force his hand. It must be. There was a rumour about it, so it's confirmed....I'm so so so confused...." Nothing to fear from the Dump....they've mortgaged the future for a first round exit. Look at their prospect/youth pool and look at ours. You can't compare the situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCK-EXPRESS Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Dang!!! Arizona's prospect pool though!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 8 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Arizona gets a good prospect in exchange for taking a locker room cancer and cap dump in Bolland. Going to be tough to make sure Bolland and Vrbata don't teach the youngsters their bad habits. What in hell does people's traits have to do with hockey? This game is played by robots so all you have to look at it is TOI, zone starts, zone entries, P/G, and shot attempts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 1 hour ago, ReggieBush said: Arizona's major moves - Vrbata, Jamie McGinn, Goligoski. A step forward yes, but I would argue Vancouver got better as a team though, and Zona still has goaltending questions. Major Subtractions - Boedker, Vermette, 30 goal upfront was lost. A top 6 center with little center depth to replace, Calgary's major moves Brian Elliot, Brouwer, Chiasson, Vey. Not sold on elliot as a #1 and Brouwer is getting old and his foot speed is not what is once was. Major Subtractions - Hudler, Colborne, Jones, Russell, 38 goal upfront was lost, and there most underrated defensive D man, Edmonton Puljujarvi, Lucic Larsen, I actually like larsen though. Major Subtractions - Hall Vancouver's Moves Signed a 1st line forward in Eriksson, Brought in a physical shutdown top 4 dman, brought in two wildcard player who where massive for their teams overseas in Larsen and rodin. Not sure things by any stretch of the imagination but the potential for those two to have big impacts can not be ignored. Larsen as a bottom pair PP Specialist, and Rodin as a 2nd line winger capable of putting up 40-50 points. Major Subtractions - Vey, Vbrata, Hamhuis, only 17 goals upfront were lost. We also had the least amount of impact players leaving our organization. Any position we lost, we updated two fold. Edmonton will probably be able to replace Halls output but the other teams didn't upgrade positions they lost, they are just banking players continuing their upward path in development to fill the voids. And reality is, it doesn't always turn out that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 5 minutes ago, Mathew Barzal said: Look at their prospect/youth pool and look at ours. You can't compare the situations. I'm making fun of the CDC paradigm. I thought that the quotation marks made that obvious. Who here votes that the cup is just awarded to the team with the youngest roster and deepest prospect pool? I know the Islanders would have won some 6 or 7 years ago, when I kept hearing how amazing they were about to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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