PhillipBlunt Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Where'd Luongo? said: haha, i honestly would love to see them just go to a different spot Maybe that's the key to Willie's plan. Make the power play so utterly predictable that when he engineers a radically new setup, other teams will be so shocked that their penalty kill strategy of smothering Stecher, while leaving a pass only Henrik alone will fail miserably, resulting in powerplay goals galore. Hell even the refs were rooting for the Canucks in Philadelphia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where'd Luongo? Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just now, PhillipBlunt said: Maybe that's the key to Willie's plan. Make the power play so utterly predictable that when he engineers a radically new setup, other teams will be so shocked that their penalty kill strategy of smothering Stecher, while leaving a pass only Henrik alone will fail miserably, resulting in powerplay goals galore. Hell even the refs were rooting for the Canucks in Philadelphia. God that was painful, they set three guys in front of Stecher so no shots went through. THEY ONLY HAD THREE GUYS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just now, Where'd Luongo? said: God that was painful, they set three guys in front of Stecher so no shots went through. THEY ONLY HAD THREE GUYS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck2288 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 On 2016-11-04 at 0:21 AM, LaBamba said: I'm pretty sure WD isn't in charge of the power play. The PP coach goes over zone entry and setup options then the rest is up to the players. Do you guys really think WD tells the Sedins to cycle in the corner for a certain amount of time? The coach is ultimately responsible for it all. It's a mistake to say he is not responsible for the powerplay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Well it won't include Rodin. Sounds like he's out again indefinitely. Boucher is going to have to find a way to out play Megna to get in on the PP now (that one's for you @WhoseTruckWasIt. You're welcome). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 9 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Maybe that's the key to Willie's plan. Make the power play so utterly predictable that when he engineers a radically new setup, other teams will be so shocked that their penalty kill strategy of smothering Stecher, while leaving a pass only Henrik alone will fail miserably, resulting in powerplay goals galore. Hell even the refs were rooting for the Canucks in Philadelphia. Willie's plan is to go down "his way" at this point. There's no logical reason to stick with the PP units as they are. Its becoming a joke outside of CDC now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 On 2016-11-03 at 11:51 PM, LaBamba said: That is what the sedins do though. Thier cycle is a shadow of its former self without a Threat on the Blueline. We have no shot and no rushing d-men. It was really apparent today when you watched our PK defending against erik karlsson and their PK defending against nothing on the blue line. with no blue line threat you make a small box in front of the net and keep everything to the outside. With erik karlsson on the point we had to stretch our box further toward the blue line which opens up a box of McCain deep and delicious cake in front of the net for the Sedins to feast on. A cycle cannot be effective without a threat on the point. It was been the biggest reason for the rise and fall of the Sedins' production. WD has nothing to do with this. He can only use the offensively challenged d-men he has. This is it in a nutshell. Neither unit really has that guy that can make teams worry about feeding the point. They're working on Stecher in this role, but he's struggled shooting the puck recently. Baertschi on the left point is a half-measure - and temporary imo - he's not a threat except when sneaking into the slot on the weakside, which is why he's there imo. He's not going to shoot from the point and he effectively just compacts the power play - which is less than ideal but at least he serves the purpose of puck-carrying on entries. Like you said - this is where Juolevi comes in - and Boeser's elite right-handed release won't hurt either (they'll have true RH shooters on each unit in the future imo - missing Hansen doesn't help either). While we're waiting for those two - I think we'll have to accept that they are necessarily limited by the blueline options in the present - Edler, Stecher, Hutton, Tanev = a work in progress that is far more of a team-building matter than it is nit-picking coaching decisions as if micro-armchairing the team would lead to pretend powerplay goals. I think this was probably a significant consideration (among others) when they elected to go with Juolevi at 5 - and I personally am thankful they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: Willie's plan is to go down "his way" at this point. There's no logical reason to stick with the PP units as they are. Its becoming a joke outside of CDC now. For me the quizzical aspect of the issue is why WD is so adamant on sticking with the personnel that clearly can't find the chemistry to get it done. What is he hoping to achieve by refusing to try something? That eventually an anemic power play will spring to life? It would be understandable if the configuration at least looked dangerous and just wasn't getting lucky, but half of the time is spent setting up. Is there anything to lose in having Tryamkin set up in front of the opposition's net? I can't see anything but a positive from having a huge defenseman who is nearly impossible to move screening the goaltender. At least with Tryamkin there, it takes some heat off of Stecher to get more shots off, and gives Henrik and Daniel more time to cycle the puck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said: For me the quizzical aspect of the issue is why WD is so adamant on sticking with the personnel that clearly can't find the chemistry to get it done. What is he hoping to achieve by refusing to try something? That eventually an anemic power play will spring to life? It would be understandable if the configuration at least looked dangerous and just wasn't getting lucky, but half of the time is spent setting up. Ray Ferraro raked WD's PP decisions over the coals earlier. "Try splitting the Twins". That's what he said. "Play Daniel with Bo". Plus, Boucher is known as a shooter. Why not try him too? Then there is the idea of Tryamkin as a net from guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just now, Alflives said: Ray Ferraro raked WD's PP decisions over the coals earlier. "Try splitting the Twins". That's what he said. "Play Daniel with Bo". Plus, Boucher is known as a shooter. Why not try him too? Then there is the idea of Tryamkin as a net from guy. Several completely logical things to try there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Ray Ferraro raked WD's PP decisions over the coals earlier. "Try splitting the Twins". That's what he said. "Play Daniel with Bo". Plus, Boucher is known as a shooter. Why not try him too? Then there is the idea of Tryamkin as a net from guy. What would it hurt to at least experiment with personnel? That something might actually work and net a goal? Or keep going with the same tired and ineffective idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: For me the quizzical aspect of the issue is why WD is so adamant on sticking with the personnel that clearly can't find the chemistry to get it done. What is he hoping to achieve by refusing to try something? That eventually an anemic power play will spring to life? It would be understandable if the configuration at least looked dangerous and just wasn't getting lucky, but half of the time is spent setting up. Because he's not going to get fired for having experimented. He is simply not going to take any kind of a chance. The only way the Sedin's get put on 2 different PP units is if they go to him and ask or tell him its OK with them. Even then, Willie probably stands pat, barring a call from Jim saying its OK to get creative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: Several completely logical things to try there. 4 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: What would it hurt to at least experiment with personnel? That something might actually work and net a goal? Or keep going with the same tired and ineffective idea? Is Willie D too respectful of the Twins? Does he allow the Twins too much say? Would a stronger (Babcock type) coach treat the Twins differently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: Ray Ferraro raked WD's PP decisions over the coals earlier. "Try splitting the Twins". That's what he said. "Play Daniel with Bo". Plus, Boucher is known as a shooter. Why not try him too? Then there is the idea of Tryamkin as a net from guy. Earlier in the year Ferraro was telling WD to "overload" a unit with all his skilled players. Now he has another genius plan - simply split them up. Ferraro's name was made into a verb in the industry for a reason - to be Ferraro'd meant to be ripped by a ranting know-it-all. That's what he does (on his bad days. Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Ferraro, but he is what he is - an 'analyst' that isn't a coach whose ideas actually get tested day in day out, and therefore he is never wrong). Except when he contradicts himself - so which one is it that is the simple solution to WD's problems - overload a unit or split up the Sedins? Easy talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Is Willie D too respectful of the Twins? Does he allow the Twins too much say? Would a stronger (Babcock type) coach treat the Twins differently? No, he's just not going to be the guy to split them imo. But desperation is a funny thing, so who knows, maybe he'll try it out tonight if Jim has a quiet talk with him. Who knows with this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: Because he's not going to get fired for having experimented. He is simply not going to take any kind of a chance. The only way the Sedin's get put on 2 different PP units is if they go to him and ask or tell him its OK with them. Even then, Willie probably stands pat, barring a call from Jim saying its OK to get creative. I highly doubt he gets fired either way. I can't see experimenting with the power play personnel deployment at this point to be anything but a positive, if I'm Jim Benning. I'd assume it's a concern for the team and organization in general, and has been the difference maker in the outcome of games. Trying different players at least demonstrates a willingness to find a solution, instead of stating that "it'll come". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 The problem is that our PP is stationary we need to get things scrambling more so they can't just set up and watch us play catch on the perimeter until they pick off a telegraphed pass and send the puck down the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, oldnews said: Earlier in the year Ferraro was telling WD to "overload" a unit with all his skilled players. Now he has another genius plan - simply split them up. Ferraro's name was made into a verb in the industry for a reason - to be Ferraro'd meant to be ripped by a ranting know-it-all. That's what he does (on his bad days. Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Ferraro, but he is what he is - an 'analyst' that isn't a coach whose ideas actually get tested day in day out, and therefore he is never wrong). Except when he contradicts himself - so which one is it that is the simple solution to WD's problems - overload a unit or split up the Sedins? Easy talk. Sure but in this case it actually makes some sense to try them on different units, Bo with Daniel and Hank with Loui. Its worth a 1 game try, it can't get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: Is Willie D too respectful of the Twins? Does he allow the Twins too much say? Would a stronger (Babcock type) coach treat the Twins differently? Willie is respectful of seemingly the entire roster. I'd like to think (but don't know for sure) that Willie has final say, and maybe, takes suggestions from various players into consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said: I highly doubt he gets fired either way. I can't see experimenting with the power play personnel deployment at this point to be anything but a positive, if I'm Jim Benning. I'd assume it's a concern for the team and organization in general, and has been the difference maker in the outcome of games. Trying different players at least demonstrates a willingness to find a solution, instead of stating that "it'll come". I imagine guys of a certain age go through something similar before trying their first Viagra pill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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