Apple Juice Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 16 hours ago, playboi19 said: Malcolm Subban claimed Calvin Pickard waived Theodore, Tuch, and Shipachyov sent to AHL. They have to make some trades to clear up space and call them back up. They have cap space for Shipachyov but its roster size that's the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Vadim Shipachyov has been included on the Chicago Wolves opening night roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 8 hours ago, Apple Juice said: They have cap space for Shipachyov but its roster size that's the problem. exactly they need roster space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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-Vintage Canuck- Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Congratulations to James Neal on scoring the first goal in Golden Knights history! Nate Schmidt and Luca Sbisa also set the franchise record for assists on the play. Also, congratulations to Marc-André Fleury on picking up the first win in Golden Knights history! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Neilsons Towel Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Quote TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF THE GOLDEN KNIGHTS' EARLY SEASON DECISIONS By: Jared ClintonOct 10, 2017 SHARE Shea Theodore was one of the Vegas Golden Knights' three surprising pre-season demotions.Author: Rocky W. Widner/NHL/Getty Images From demoting Vadim Shipachyov to waiving and trading Calvin Pickard, the Golden Knights have made some puzzling roster decisions. What's the reasoning? Almost as quickly as reports of Vadim Shipachyov’s unhappiness with his situation with the Vegas Golden Knights surfaced and talk of his interest in returning to the KHL raised eyebrows, those same rumblings came to a halt. His agent, Petr Svoboda, denied there was any issue and told TSN’s Darren Dreger that Shipachyov doesn’t have any designs on heading back to Russia. And even if that is the case, that the report could be believed for a moment is the issue, especially when it’s not all that difficult to understand how such a rumor started. As teams prepared their 23-man rosters, Shipachyov’s demotion to the AHL’s Chicago Wolves was among the most surprising moves from across the league. In part, that was because ahead of the season, Shipachyov had his suitors. It was reported several teams were interested in bringing him aboard, but instead of heading elsewhere, Shipachyov went to Vegas where he knew — or believed — he’d get the chance to showcase his ability with quality ice time. He was the only big-name free agent who signed with the expansion franchise. And when he put pen to paper on his deal, a two-year, $9-million contract, Shipachyov knew full well he was potentially giving up his chance to suit up at the Olympics, a situation which has since become a reality. And while in four pre-season games Shipachyov had managed only one assist, the exhibition slate is rarely telling of a player’s true ability and many had Shipachyov pegged to center the first line in Vegas on opening night. He was a 30-year-old pivot with playmaking ability and offensive upside who was coming off of an outstanding season in the KHL. He was the type of talent Vegas needed up front. Thus, many assumed Shipachyov would be back with the Golden Knights and in Vegas’ lineup when they set off on their inaugural campaign. But when opening night came, Shipachyov was still, technically, on the AHL roster. Then came the Golden Knights’ second game and Shipachyov was nowhere to be found. And now we’re nearly one week into the season, with Vegas set to skate out for their home opener, and Shipachyov is still in limbo. So, what’s going on? Well, it appears the plan, as many assumed, was to demote Shipachyov only as a paper transaction. According to NHL.com's Nick Cotsonika, McPhee made clear to Shipachyov that the demotion had nothing to do with performance and that he’d be up with the big club as soon as possible. But the issue facing the Golden Knights now is that there isn’t really a way to get Shipachyov onto the roster — or at least not without making a move — and doing so is proving harder than McPhee expected, it would seem. At present, the Golden Knights have a nine-defenseman logjam on the blueline and a full stable of forwards with not a single player on either side of the puck able to be sent down without clearing waivers, opening up a scenario in which Vegas could potentially lose a skater for nothing. For McPhee, who wants to build through drafting and development, that’s not an ideal situation. Thus, he’s looking to make a move now that benefits the team in the long term rather than look for ways to hotshot Shipachyov into the lineup. Mind you, the head-scratching when it comes to Vegas’ roster moves doesn’t end with Shipachyov, as winger Alex Tuch and defenseman Shea Theodore were likewise waiver-exempt players who were demoted ahead of the season, though Tuch and Theodore, unlike Shipachyov, have suited up in both of the Wolves’ games thus far. Theodore, arguably capable of top-pairing minutes with the big club, has made a statement in the early going with three goals and five points in two AHL games. Tuch, meanwhile, has three goals and four points of his own. Some could say the extra seasoning in the minors is far from the worst thing for either player — 22 and 21 years old, respectively — but that doesn’t change the fact they should've been in the opening night lineup. And McPhee realizes, too, that they, like Shipachyov, deserve to be up. “The three guys we sent down have all earned the right to be here,” McPhee told Cotsonika. “And we'll get them here at the right time, or as soon as we can.” Like Shipachyov, though, that can’t happen until a move is made, ideally one that clears the blueline and makes room for Theodore to come up and take his rightful place. (And that could happen sooner rather than later. NHL.com's Danny Webster reported that Theodore was absent from Wolves practice Tuesday.) But that does leave one more question, one concerning Vegas’ decision to pluck Malcolm Subban off the waiver wire at the expense of Calvin Pickard, who was waived and subsequently traded. Asked by Cotsonika, McPhee said they see Subban as a netminder with a higher upside, one who can be a future No. 1 in the league with the right tutelage. He’ll surely get good guidance from Marc-Andre Fleury, too. But one has to wonder why the Golden Knights would sacrifice Pickard, who is little more than one year older than Subban and has already proven he can compete on the world stage, to make that move happen. In the AHL, both netminders have put up comparable numbers, with Subban holding the edge. His .918 save percentage puts him four points up on Pickard, who boasts a career .914 SP in the minors. But what separates the two and should give a sizeable edge to Pickard at this stage of their careers are their NHL numbers. Small sample, sure, but Subban has twice seen NHL action and has allowed six goals on 22 shots. He has been beaten out for backup NHL jobs by Zane McIntyre and Anton Khudobin. Meanwhile, Pickard was an expansion draft choice who has 86 NHL outings and a .914 SP in the big leagues to his name, not to mention two runs with Team Canada at the World Championship, including a seven-game, silver-medal performance earlier this year in which he posted a .938 SP. Only time can tell if the Golden Knights made the right decision, of course, but it’s a decision that’s hard to make sense of at the moment. The hope, however, is that patience and big picture thinking — not just with Subban, but with Shipachyov, Theodore and Tuch, too — can allow the Golden Knights to build up assets, prospects and a roster that can lead this team forward in the future. http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/trying-to-make-sense-of-the-golden-knights-early-season-decisions What do you guys think of the Golden Knights decisions thus far and their current roster issues? What are your thoughts? My two cents, McPhee has definitely made some polarizing decisions. They are 3-0 yet they have a huge logjam on their roster from the expansion draft. Not the lineup of suitors for Defenseman as McPhee anticipated. Other GMs hold all the leverage with McPhee sure to start feeling the pressure to relieve the roster issues sooner rather than later. 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Wilbur Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 If I was Tuch, Theodore, and Shipachyov I would be incensed. They aren't in the AHL for the good of their development they're there due to "asset management". Any shred of loyalty to the organization would be lost if I was one of those three. Heh, they should all hire Kurt Overhardt as their agents and have him calling McPhee every day to see if he can make a trade so they can play in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 @Roger Neilson's Towel I'm a little surprised that McPhee just didn't waive someone like Sbisa to make room for Ship. He collected D to gain assists and a few didn't work out, so its time to move on imo. Its a long time between now and the TDL to see if you can move someone to make room for much better players. To treat a free agent like this is pretty bad and erode George's credibility with other Russian players (good for us though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Well there have been a few instances were our management team has made some questionable decisions, having someone in tune with the cap and all the rules really helps a front office out. Maybe McPhee just isn't a good GM and he is having flashbacks from the Erat/Forsberg trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerry35 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 He gambled on being able to move those defencemen for a high price and his colleagues have decided so far to call him on it. Sooner or later he is going to have to lower his expectations on what he gets back on trading his surplus D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: @Roger Neilson's Towel I'm a little surprised that McPhee just didn't waive someone like Sbisa to make room for Ship. He collected D to gain assists and a few didn't work out, so its time to move on imo. Its a long time between now and the TDL to see if you can move someone to make room for much better players. To treat a free agent like this is pretty bad and erode George's credibility with other Russian players (good for us though). There's no way a player of Luca's caliber will or should ever get waived. He's got as many points as any Canucks forward and twice as many points as any of our d-man right now. He's arguably Vegas' best dman and has proven that in the first 3 games. Schmidt has been pretty good too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, apollo said: There's no way a player of Luca's caliber will or should ever get waived. He's got as many points as any Canucks forward and twice as many points as any of our d-man right now. He's arguably Vegas' best dman and has proven that in the first 3 games. Schmidt has been pretty good too. but he's excess for Vegas and likely not tradable with the salary, but a lot of teams would pick him up off waivers if it didn't cost them an asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: but he's excess for Vegas and likely not tradable with the salary, but a lot of teams would pick him up off waivers if it didn't cost them an asset. Tbh even if Luca had -10 and 0 points, I'd come in and make the same statement supporting him He's my guy lol A guy like England is who showed be waived. Or not drafted in the first place... I think injury bug will hit some teams and eventually McPhee will get some calls on his dman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Shea Theodore buried in the minors still, he's got 5 points (3 goals) in 2 games as a defenceman. This guy was one of Anaheim's best defencemen down the stretch, he's about to hit his prime very soon and he's getting thrown in the AHL. I'm sure Vegas intend on keeping him as part of their future and will probably try and move a veteran D-man, but now would be a good time to make a serious play for Theodore. This guy is a stud, will be a star in a year or two. TO VGK: Hutton + Granlund + 2nd round pick TO VAN: Theodore + depth forward (eg. Reilly Smith, Leipsic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt kilgore Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 4 hours ago, gerry35 said: He gambled on being able to move those defencemen for a high price and his colleagues have decided so far to call him on it. Sooner or later he is going to have to lower his expectations on what he gets back on trading his surplus D. Its a good gamble. It is almost a garantee that other teams will have injuries on the back end. Some of them season-ending. All he has to do is wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerry35 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 13 minutes ago, kilgore said: Its a good gamble. It is almost a garantee that other teams will have injuries on the back end. Some of them season-ending. All he has to do is wait. I get what you are saying, I still think some of the guys who should be playing in the NHL but are in the minors won't be happy with him. It probably will straighten itself out in the next few weeks anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 The Golden Knights have introduced their first mascot, Chance the Gila Monster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Sparkle Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 The red wings conquered the streak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 The Golden Knights have recalled Vadim Shipachyov from the Chicago Wolves of the AHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 The Golden Knights have placed Marc-André Fleury and Jonathan Marchessault on injured reserve. They have recalled Alex Tuch and Maxime Lagace from the Chicago Wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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