MacIntyre's three thoughts: It's over for the Canucks, probably over for Desjardins

[CanadianRugby]

2 hours ago, J.R. said:

 

You/they can call it a Heffalump for all I care. The team's rebuilding.

Not according to our GM

Not according to our President

Not according to hockey experts like Bob Mackenzie

Not according to our lack of draft picks

Not according to signing old vets to long expensive contracts

 

The only thing that looks like a rebuilding team is our position in the standings, but that has more to do with inept management than a rebuilding plan.

[samurai]

3 hours ago, J.R. said:

More of Van's trash media attempting to stir the pot and fuel negativity 

 

Seriously folks, we're rebuilding. They tend to not be pretty all the time. Our top D pair is out and we presently have one of the youngest D cores in the league and people are shocked when they look inconsistent after a long, hard road trip?!?!

 

People need to wake the hell up to reality here 

MacIntrye is not trash media.    Management will not proactively move no trades, and say we owe it to the Sedins to win now - rebuilding?   Stetcher and Trymakin are not the reason we are losing.  Eriksson is not a rebuild move, nor is trading MCann for a pylon with character. 

 

 

 

[tas]

the team has no culture or identity. this is a failing at every single level from player leadership to ownership. 

 

it needs change. it needs direction. it needs a specific, unified voice. it needs help.

 

it needs an experienced nhl executive at the helm of hockey ops. keep linden on as a figurehead, give him a paper promotion, slide him over into brand ops instead of hockey ops. 

 

it needs an assertive, concise, direct, focused, modern and proactive general manager. someone with a crystal clear vision of what a modern nhl team needs to look like to be successful and a plan to get there. he needs to be surrounded by:

 

-a capologist, or department of capologists, that are experts of the cba, contracts, and negotiations. think larry gilman without the input into player personnel decisions.

 

-a scouting department helmed by jim benning (if he's comfortable staying on) or someone like paul fenton; an expert at player development and managing an ahl team to be successful while developing prospects. amateur scouting should focus on best player available in the early rounds and skill potential/ceiling in the later rounds. professional scouts should work hand in hand with:

 

-the analytics department. a team assembled to evaluate a proprietary set of performance metrics. no decisions will be made solely on analytics (were not going all florida here...) but the numbers will be considered.

 

they need a coaching staff with defined roles, clear and detailed systems, and mindset of running the team professionally, like a business. like av.

 

working with linden, they need a team of marketing experts and brand relations specialists to rebuild the team's image, spruce it up, make it fresh and exciting again.

 

there are a lot of needs for the organization, not the team, to become elite again. 

[CanadianRugby]

2 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:

 

We're in a lottery position right now. Or has your incessant whining made you forget that already? 

So being in a lottery position equals a good rebuild?  By that argument any of us on CDC could be a great GM for a rebuilding team.

[kingofsurrey]

15 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said:

Not according to our GM

Not according to our President

Not according to hockey experts like Bob Mackenzie

Not according to our lack of draft picks

Not according to signing old vets to long expensive contracts

 

The only thing that looks like a rebuilding team is our position in the standings, but that has more to do with inept management than a rebuilding plan.

 

100 % true.

 

What looks likes a rebuild now is actually a   FAILED  attempt for a last playoff run with Hank and Dank.

This has resulted in now putting back our rebuild 3 years....

 

Utter fail by Benning so he needs to go..

 

As Trump would say  -   YOUR FIRED BENNING

[combover]

2 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:

 

 

He signed 1 30 year old to a 6 year deal not multiple 30+ year olds to 6 year deals.

 

The team is rebuilding whether you accept it or not. 

Ericson  is 30+ (I don't know his exact age) that said 

Miller 3  vrbata 2 ericson 6

 

the owner,president,gm haven't accepted. 

. benning,owner want this team to win now and if you don't understand that then we'll enjoy your sunshine and lollipops. When a team is signing guy like ericson and pumping the " playoff team " its not a rebuild it's a mess and the stats show it. 

The Vancouver mentality everyone hates the Canucks and writes hate if you take the blinders off you start to see that what's written isn't hate it's closer to the truth than the nonsense coming from this disorganization.

 

Hard not to rebuild when the gm assembles  one of the worst groups in the NHL and think it's a winner, It's not intentional.

 

you should check out his book. 

Jim "the weatherman" benning and the accidental rebuild 

[stawns]

3 hours ago, riffraff said:

Macintyre in full cdc mode.

 

No kidding, what a troll.

 

When the Leafs blow a lead or get smoked, it's a learning process for a young, rebuilding team........when it happens to the canucks, Sportsnet wonders how this is going to implode the franchise. 

[wallstreetamigo]

39 minutes ago, J.R. said:

 

That's the first tangible argument I could actually understand as reasoning for firing him. 

 

That said, at this juncture, we don't have the forward prospects to implement it IMO. 

 

 

 

Thats a fair comment. I think we might be surprised by some of our young guys though. They may not win but I feel like just the energy of seeing the next wave getting looks while we still have the solid vet leaders backing them up and still contributing might both provide a shot in the arm to the team and calm the restless fans clamouring for change.

[Hectic]

This guy talks about a rebuild, now he wants us to fire the coach. Is firing the coach and getting a new one going to help us win games? Because then he will complain that we are winning games when we should be rebuilding. Lol, the vicious thought process of your typical bipolar Canucks writer

[riffraff]

19 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

No kidding, what a troll.

 

When the Leafs blow a lead or get smoked, it's a learning process for a young, rebuilding team........when it happens to the canucks, Sportsnet wonders how this is going to implode the franchise. 

 

Where was his "article" after we blew out the bolts?

[aGENT]

2 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

 

Thats a fair comment. I think we might be surprised by some of our young guys though. They may not win but I feel like just the energy of seeing the next wave getting looks while we still have the solid vet leaders backing them up and still contributing might both provide a shot in the arm to the team and calm the restless fans clamouring for change.

 

Yeah...other than Horvat, the few young guys we do have, have been promising but inconsistent in 2nd and 3rd line roles against lower QOC.

 

I don't think forcing those square pegs in to the round holes of 1st line duty against tougher QOC is going to help anyone. It's also pretty much the exact opposite of the team's stated direction to shelter and slowly integrate youth in to larger roles, as they earn it.

 

IMO, this summer, we need to move Tanev + (my guess would be one of Granlund/Baer/Rodin) for a young top 6 forward and ideally, draft a future top 6 forward with our, presumably high, pick. This also allows us to protect Sbisa. I like Forsy's suggestion of Domi but I'm sure Benning can find other options of teams who need top 4 RHD.

 

Then next year you role with something like:

 

Domi?, Horvat, Eriksson

Sedin, Sedin, Hansen/Boeser

Granlund/Baer/Rodin, Sutter, Boeser/Hansen

Chaput?, Gaunce, Dorsett

 

Edler, Stetcher

Hutton, Gudbranson

Sbisa, Tryamkin

[messier's_elbow]

Is WD an awesome coach? Not really, but he's not the problem either. Changing the coach at this point won't do much. We need to be working on getting more picks in the next 3 drafts. Ownership is out to lunch. If we don't trade Miller and lose him for nothing along with Burrows at the deadline I won't be a happy camper.

[IbanezRG]

54 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said:

Not according to our GM

Not according to our President

Not according to hockey experts like Bob Mackenzie

Not according to our lack of draft picks

Not according to signing old vets to long expensive contracts

 

The only thing that looks like a rebuilding team is our position in the standings, but that has more to do with inept management than a rebuilding plan.

 

 

I dont think ive ever seen a GM or team president totally admit they were "rebuilding" even when they clearly were, it's bad for business 

[Conscience]

42 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

 

100 % true.

 

What looks likes a rebuild now is actually a   FAILED  attempt for a last playoff run with Hank and Dank.

This has resulted in now putting back our rebuild 3 years....

 

Utter fail by Benning so he needs to go..

 

As Trump would say  -   YOUR FIRED BENNING

Bennings  doing what the owners want. Utter fail by the owners but we cant fire them, but hopefully the empty seats send a message.

[JM_]

3 minutes ago, messier's_elbow said:

Is WD an awesome coach? Not really, but he's not the problem either. Changing the coach at this point won't do much. We need to be working on getting more picks in the next 3 drafts. Ownership is out to lunch. If we don't trade Miller and lose him for nothing along with Burrows at the deadline I won't be a happy camper.

 

Who is going to want him? He's OK, but he's not going to be more than a backup, and with expansion throwing a wrench into things this year I just can't see Miller being moved no matter how many calls Jim makes. 

[aGENT]

Just now, S'all Good Man said:

 

Who is going to want him? He's OK, but he's not going to be more than a backup, and with expansion throwing a wrench into things this year I just can't see Miller being moved no matter how many calls Jim makes. 

There are a couple playoff teams who have iffy goaltending... retain some cap/take back some cap on an expiring contract. It's not out of the realm of possibility. That said, @messier's_elbow shouldn't be counting on it. It could just as easily happen as not.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

5 minutes ago, J.R. said:

 

This also allows us to protect Sbisa

Why should that be a concern?

 

No, this isn't a "oh Pizza is trash...worst D in the NHL by a mile" type of reply.

 

Sbisa is an ok somewhat physical #6 left side D (have to wonder though what he was doing on the ice when Hamhuis had to step-in & be a possible '3rd man in fight' when Dorsett was overmatched in a fight during out last playoff series with the Flames) that provides little offense with over a $3+ million cap hit.

 

Those kinds of D aren't that hard to replace.

[blackpluto96]

46 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

 

100 % true.

 

What looks likes a rebuild now is actually a   FAILED  attempt for a last playoff run with Hank and Dank.

This has resulted in now putting back our rebuild 3 years....

 

Utter fail by Benning so he needs to go..

 

As Trump would say  -   YOUR FIRED BENNING

Please enlighten us with your definition of a successful GM with an empty cupboard, aging core saddled with NTC and 2.5 years into a job.  Don't hold anything back.

[JM_]

11 pages on firing Willie or not, and I don't think anyone's used the term "butt hurt". Contratulations CDC. 

[JM_]

5 minutes ago, J.R. said:

There are a couple playoff teams who have iffy goaltending... retain some cap/take back some cap on an expiring contract. It's not out of the realm of possibility. That said, @messier's_elbow shouldn't be counting on it. It could just as easily happen as not.

 

Yah I think its going to be a very bare cupboard for us on picks... but on the + side we really want them for 2018 anyway! I have to think the twins can net us another 2018 1st rounder and maybe another later rounder, and Hansen will be worth a 2nd to a contender. So 10 picks in 2018 would make me happy.