Honky Cat Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 2 hours ago, WHL rocks said: Can you give examples of teams that rebuilt and won the Cup in 2 or 3 years? And when did it happen, if it ever did? What was the CBA like back then, was it possible to "buy" a Cup unlike it is in the hard cap era? Pitt, Chicago and LA are the current day champs, they were rebuilt in today's NHL environment and the latest Cup winners. It's only natural and normal for those teams to be used as examples. Why would anyone use 1940's teams as examples for 2016 team building. That would make no sense. If it was possible to rebuild that fast teams wouldn't hesitate to do it. The reason teams hesitate to do full rebuilds is they know its a long and arduous process with many years of low ticket and merchandise sales. And with the draft rules the way they are now, it's even more difficult to rebuild faster. Before you can tank and get a Mario Lemieux not any more as we all know how BUFF tried to tank and get McDavid. Pittsburgh Penguins had the 1st overall in 2005 (Sidney Crosby)..and won the SC in 2008-9....basically 3.5 years.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 11 minutes ago, Honky Cat said: Pittsburgh Penguins had the 1st overall in 2005 (Sidney Crosby)..and won the SC in 2008-9....basically 3.5 years.. That's a little misleading. Unique circumstance with a legend like Lemieux involved. Return, & subsequent 2nd retirement. Don't recall exact dates, but I believe they had a firesale of assets, prior to the Crosby lotto-win. They scorched the earth, then unearthed more jewels(coincidence?). Bankruptcy..the whole 9 yards. Hard to compare another franchise with such a scenario... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theilluminati Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 20 minutes ago, Honky Cat said: Pittsburgh Penguins had the 1st overall in 2005 (Sidney Crosby)..and won the SC in 2008-9....basically 3.5 years.. Marc-Andre Fleury and Evgeni Malkin say hi... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Just now, theilluminati said: Marc-Andre Fleury and Evgeni Malkin say hi... Now there's a goalie who can look like Dan Cloutier at his worst or Roberto Luongo at his best...sometimes all with the same playoff series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 48 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: That's a little misleading. Unique circumstance with a legend like Lemieux involved. Return, & subsequent 2nd retirement. Don't recall exact dates, but I believe they had a firesale of assets, prior to the Crosby lotto-win. They scorched the earth, then unearthed more jewels(coincidence?). Bankruptcy..the whole 9 yards. Hard to compare another franchise with such a scenario... Thats right...The Oilers could do the same thing in 2 years...Getting a 'generational talent' definitely fast tracks you to being a contender....Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 31 minutes ago, Honky Cat said: Thats right...The Oilers could do the same thing in 2 years...Getting a 'generational talent' definitely fast tracks you to being a contender....Luck. Look what happened in the infamous "spin of the wheel" WAY back in 1970. The Sabres get a LEGIT hall of famer & a guy that could carry a franchise - Gilbert Perrault We got a decent & talented Dale Tallon but he was several tiers below Perrault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 2 hours ago, Honky Cat said: Pittsburgh Penguins had the 1st overall in 2005 (Sidney Crosby)..and won the SC in 2008-9....basically 3.5 years.. Wow, so they started the rebuild with the Crosby pick? They had the 2nd overall with the Malkin pick the year before, they also picked Fleury with the 1st overall in 2003, Whitney 5th overall in 2002...They also picked 2nd overall the year after Crosby pick. They didn't begin and end their rebuild with Crosby.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 31 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: Wow, so they started the rebuild with the Crosby pick? They had the 2nd overall with the Malkin pick the year before, they also picked Fleury with the 1st overall in 2003, Whitney 5th overall in 2002...They also picked 2nd overall the year after Crosby pick. They didn't begin and end their rebuild with Crosby.... Just like the Hawks,the Pens were not on a 'purposeful rebuild' like teams nowadays....They both just sucked long enough to accumulate great players...You can't just assume that every teams losing season was a calculated rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolboarder Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Stay on the course, even they were down 2-0 and 3-2 but came back is what it counts. Yes, even Sedin couldn't stop 2 on 1 pass. Can't really blame him. The sooner Benning is able to find a buyer for Sedin, the better it will be for the Canucks to start a rebuild process. The young guns is more noticeable than the Sedin despite their on scoresheet. Once the Sedin is either hang up their skates or traded, there'll be holes on first line caliber players and it shall be filled years away if they are lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 3 hours ago, Honky Cat said: Thats right...The Oilers could do the same thing in 2 years...Getting a 'generational talent' definitely fast tracks you to being a contender....Luck. 4 first overall picks and their rebuild started with the McDavid pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 28 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: 4 first overall picks and their rebuild started with the McDavid pick? No.its been the decade long rebuild..but McDavid can fast track the Oilers to a SC contender..(as Crosby did 3 years after being drafted..when the Pens won the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 9 hours ago, LaBamba said: How are people even debating this anymore? Tank or stay competitive. It's pretty clear that we can't stay competitive, so where does that leave us ? The debate is over ladies and gentlemen. It's time to suck it up. The Canucks don't need to tank, they are doing a good enough job being in the bottom of the standings while working hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 hell we are doing just fine and why are people not getting it??We are not far from a playoff spot and in most games as we rebuild.If we lost bad every game people would still complain so what does it take to make people happy?We do not have the ability yet to trade picks and players to get better ones,that will still take two to three years,so suck it up . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 10 hours ago, Honky Cat said: Pittsburgh Penguins had the 1st overall in 2005 (Sidney Crosby)..and won the SC in 2008-9....basically 3.5 years.. Doesn't really count, he was first prize amongst a league wide lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 5 hours ago, Honky Cat said: No.its been the decade long rebuild..but McDavid can fast track the Oilers to a SC contender..(as Crosby did 3 years after being drafted..when the Pens won the cup. Love McDavid, but feel the oil are still some ways off from being a contender. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 12 hours ago, Jam126 said: If you think rebuilds take a decade than you're out of your mind. If that was the case, 2/3 of the league would be terrible and only 3 or 4 are legitimate cup contenders. The rebuild does not end when you win the cup, it ends when you become a consistent Playoff team. Anyway, get well soon Erik! I guess we figured out why he was not playing like himself lately. The Caunuck's average between cup years is 13, two were in a different era one in 2011 under the cap era. The cap era is going to be even harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 3 hours ago, smokes said: The Canucks don't need to tank, they are doing a good enough job being in the bottom of the standings while working hard. Hahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 18 hours ago, Mathew Barzal said: We want Subban. THUD. THUD. THUDTHUDTHUD. We want Subban. THUD. THUD. THUDTHUDTHUD. Subban can score, but he can't defend. Unless Uticahockey and others have some new update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 5 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Subban can score, but he can't defend. Unless Uticahockey and others have some new update. Nope. Same old pooh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 14 hours ago, LaBamba said: How are people even debating this anymore? Tank or stay competitive. It's pretty clear that we can't stay competitive, so where does that leave us ? The debate is over ladies and gentlemen. It's time to suck it up. Columbus is a big team anyways but I noticed they were coming harder yesterday. Stecher and Tanev were being bounced regularly. Stecher took a pretty hard hit into the boards and as per usual his team mates just stood there. Boon Jenner could barely conceal his grin. Fans were upset with Gudbranson because he did not fight more. What was being missed was his overall physical game. Finishing checks and challenging forwards with body position. Edler does the same sort of thing. The only size left is Sbisa and Tryamkin. Tryamkin is still figuring things out and expectations cannot be force don this kid to quickly. If the long term plan is a serious CUP contender then the size and physicality of the d-core is critical. As always there are regular season games and playoff games. Traditionally, IMHO, the Canucks have been built for regular season efforts. CUP play is heavier and way more physical with a higher skill level. Canucks are a long way away from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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