Alflives Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 1 minute ago, CanadianRugby said: We've given up draft picks and prospects, and have been signing high priced old free agents to be good at this stage. The team isn't very good, but they're better than many people thought they would be so in that regard Benning has done a good job. That's great, if you put blinders on and ignore any bad things happening with this roster. Long term though there's not much to look forward to. More good players have left or are getting old, than there are good prospects coming in. There are all time great Canucks that have already left or are close to retiring, and we're supposed to be happy because of guys like Granlund and a goalie that'll be long retired before this team ever wins a playoff round? We do have a young goalie and young defence developing. Plus, there is Bo up front with Boeser coming, and guys like Lockwood down the road. I think we need two (young) elite scoring forwards, and JB's retool just might be a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 19 minutes ago, Alflives said: We do have a young goalie and young defence developing. Plus, there is Bo up front with Boeser coming, and guys like Lockwood down the road. I think we need two (young) elite scoring forwards, and JB's retool just might be a success. As long as your end goal is scraping into the playoffs, then yes it's a success. If Benning somehow gets 2 young elite forwards, I'll change my tune about him. By elite, I mean in the conversation for Calder trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: As long as your end goal is scraping into the playoffs, then yes it's a success. If Benning somehow gets 2 young elite forwards, I'll change my tune about him. By elite, I mean in the conversation for Calder trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Alflives said: We do have a young goalie and young defence developing. Plus, there is Bo up front with Boeser coming, and guys like Lockwood down the road. I think we need two (young) elite scoring forwards, and JB's retool just might be a success. Question for you...?...would you trade the AV's roster straight across for the Canucks roster..?...The Av's have have 3 (not 2) young, elite forwards..McKinnon,Landeskog and Duchene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethal_spaghetti Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 12 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said: Since 2012 this team has won a grand total of 3 playoffs games, the team point totals declined each year except the McDavid draft year when a bunch of teams dropped 10 points in the standings. In team sports the standings sometimes tell the tale of the tape with regards to improvement, here is a comparison of last year to this year; 2016 NHL Teams ranked by points over .500 GP WOT LOT GF GA P Washington Capitals +27 46 35 5 11 3 155 100 73 Chicago Blackhawks +19 49 32 9 17 4 144 111 68 Dallas Stars +16 47 29 5 18 5 156 127 63 Los Angeles Kings +16 45 29 8 16 3 121 101 61 St. Louis Blues +12 49 27 7 22 7 126 123 61 Florida Panthers +11 46 26 6 20 5 121 105 57 New York Islanders +9 45 24 5 21 6 123 112 54 New York Rangers +9 46 25 5 21 5 132 122 55 Detroit Red Wings +9 45 23 8 22 8 111 116 54 Boston Bruins +8 45 24 3 21 5 137 117 53 Tampa Bay Lightning +8 46 25 7 21 4 125 111 54 Minnesota Wild +7 45 22 1 23 8 113 106 52 San Jose Sharks +5 44 23 6 21 3 127 121 49 Pittsburgh Penguins +4 45 21 4 24 7 110 113 49 New Jersey Devils +4 47 23 8 24 5 105 112 51 Arizona Coyotes +4 45 22 5 23 5 123 135 49 Ottawa Senators +4 46 22 9 24 6 129 141 50 Philadelphia Flyers +4 44 20 9 24 8 100 117 48 Montreal Canadiens +3 47 23 3 24 4 129 122 50 Colorado Avalanche +2 47 23 2 24 3 131 130 49 Nashville Predators +2 46 20 3 26 8 117 127 48 Vancouver Canucks +2 47 19 7 28 1 113 130 49 Anaheim Ducks +1 44 19 2 25 7 88 105 45 Carolina Hurricanes +1 47 20 6 27 8 111 129 48 Winnipeg Jets -1 46 21 2 25 3 119 131 45 Calgary Flames -1 44 20 9 24 3 118 135 43 Toronto Maple Leafs -3 44 17 4 27 7 111 124 41 Buffalo Sabres -4 46 19 3 27 4 107 123 42 Edmonton Oilers -5 48 19 1 29 5 119 142 43 Columbus Blue Jackets -9 47 17 3 30 4 119 152 38 2017 NHL Teams ranked by points over .500 GP WOT LOT GF GA P Columbus Blue Jackets +21 43 30 7 13 4 145 96 64 Washington Capitals +20 44 29 6 15 6 138 94 64 Minnesota Wild +18 43 28 4 15 5 141 96 61 Pittsburgh Penguins +17 44 28 6 16 5 157 132 61 Montreal Canadiens +14 46 27 5 19 6 139 117 60 Chicago Blackhawks +14 47 28 9 19 5 132 120 61 New York Rangers +12 45 28 3 17 1 158 123 57 Anaheim Ducks +12 47 25 4 22 9 125 117 59 San Jose Sharks +11 45 27 6 18 2 120 104 56 Edmonton Oilers +10 47 25 8 22 7 135 125 57 Toronto Maple Leafs +8 42 21 5 21 8 132 123 50 Ottawa Senators +8 42 23 6 19 4 111 111 50 St. Louis Blues +6 45 23 6 22 5 128 135 51 Carolina Hurricanes +5 44 21 5 23 7 122 121 49 Boston Bruins +4 48 23 4 25 6 122 123 52 Calgary Flames +4 47 24 5 23 3 124 127 51 Philadelphia Flyers +4 46 22 9 24 6 132 148 50 Nashville Predators +3 44 20 2 24 7 119 115 47 Los Angeles Kings +3 45 22 1 23 4 113 113 48 Vancouver Canucks +2 46 21 9 25 6 112 130 48 Florida Panthers +2 47 20 8 27 9 111 131 49 Tampa Bay Lightning +1 46 21 3 25 5 126 135 47 Detroit Red Wings +1 45 20 9 25 6 118 132 46 New Jersey Devils +1 46 19 8 27 9 105 132 47 New York Islanders 0 42 17 3 25 8 120 128 42 Dallas Stars 0 46 19 2 27 8 126 144 46 Buffalo Sabres -1 44 17 3 27 9 104 124 43 Winnipeg Jets -2 48 21 5 27 4 135 148 46 Arizona Coyotes -12 44 13 6 31 6 94 143 32 Colorado Avalanche -15 42 13 5 29 1 86 143 27 Not much of a change BUT Hank got hurt last season in late January, but to date....pretty much the same. Hey thanks for the insightful post. Im just trying to say that its not all doom and gloom I mean who is to say what happens down the road things can turn around rather quick. I do agree however that we need to add more ELITE young forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethal_spaghetti Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 12 minutes ago, Honky Cat said: Question for you...?...would you trade the AV's roster straight across for the Canucks roster..?...The Av's have have 3 (not 2) young, elite forwards..McKinnon,Landeskog and Duchene. That is a very intriguing question, imo I would keep the canucks roster as I prefer to build from the net out just as Benning does. In those regards we have colorado beat but they do have a bevy of young elite forwards contributing at the NHL level (add rantanen to that list). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 21 hours ago, CanadianRugby said: Of course you don't. Stats and facts have never mattered to you in arguments. Ha! Good one. I don't give a crap what other teams do. Period. I don't believe in setting your team up to lose. That's an opinion that has nothing to do with stats or facts. Here's another fact: other GM's have set their team up to lose and not won the cup. There's no guarantees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 20 hours ago, CanadianRugby said: As long as your end goal is scraping into the playoffs, then yes it's a success. If Benning somehow gets 2 young elite forwards, I'll change my tune about him. By elite, I mean in the conversation for Calder trophy. I don't recall the Sedins being in that conversation. There's also plenty of Calder winners that have never won a cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 On 2017-01-17 at 6:24 PM, Baggins said: I'd rather my team try and compete than set their players up to fail. A pig-in-lipstick then, are the Canucks, with a roster of AHL call-ups like Chaput and co., unless we agree that playing plugs, rather than (missing) future NHLers equates to, "competing" for respectable middle ground. This little piggy went stealth-tank playing for respect with nondescript players that make Cracknell look good. I agree with sir baggins though, but with a twist, I consider it respectable to loose if it's done while bruising the opposition like they used to in the Quinn era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 On January 19, 2017 at 7:59 PM, CanadianRugby said: As long as your end goal is scraping into the playoffs, then yes it's a success. If Benning somehow gets 2 young elite forwards, I'll change my tune about him. By elite, I mean in the conversation for Calder trophy. Ah yes the all important Calder... What about Sedins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 On 1/17/2017 at 7:01 AM, ForsbergTheGreat said: Rebuilding is a strategic plan to build a new core through the draft and as I said canucks have never actually came out an admitted they were rebuilding. In 2013 flames did. If you want you could argue that canucks and flames started their rebuild when they hired new mgmt. flames did in the summer of 2013. Canucks in the summer of 2014. How many times do they need to say "REBUILD on the fly"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Westcoasting said: Ah yes the all important Calder... What about Sedins? If we draft a couple of guys 2nd and 3rd overall and they have a ton of potential that doesn't equate in a Calder, I'm ok with that too. I'm just getting ready for random scrubs that show any potential being called elite on CDC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 On 2017-01-16 at 2:16 PM, TheGuardian_ said: No they haven't their decade yet, under Gillis they were a power house. Still if 3 playoffs games won in the last 6 years is a measure of success for you, this isn't horse shoes or hand grenades, being close doesn't count as much a management wants/would like the fans to believe. Improvement is usually measured in being better than other teams or even year to year. Plan for improvement are important, what does Linden want, everyone to pay high cost for tickets to watch to superb players deteriorate until some player finally passes them in scoring, if he waits long enough he might even get 3 players, certainly if they decide to retire instead of reupping at the end of their contracts. What then, still unfair to them to start what he stated he knows from the day he was hired, rebuild? No disrespect to Horvat but he isn't close to McDavid, Edmonton likely has three players he isn't close to certainly Sven can't be compared to anyone on their roster Convenient math you have there Guardian, 6 years takes us back to the 2010 - 11 season, so 17 wins total. More math for you... Last ten years... Canucks - 6 playoff appearances, 35 playoff wins Laffs - 1 playoff appearance, 3 playoff wins Coilers - 0 (ZERO) playoff appearances, and well, do the math - 0 (ZERO) playoff wins How again do you measure success? Oh, I know you are going to flame on (no pun intended) about now! not the past, but the current editions of the laffs and coil have not proven anything yet. Sven - 47 g, 11g, 13a, 24 pts. would put 6th in scoring for oilers, ahead of RNH, Letesttube, Kassian, Pouliot etc and just 4 points behind Eberle and Lucia with a game in hand. So don't know how you define "compare" if you even are a Canucks fan, the comparison to "bandwagon" comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 12 hours ago, Westcoasting said: Ah yes the all important Calder... What about Sedins? How about Linden, Naslund, Bertuzzi? All great Canucks and top players in their prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 On 1/15/2017 at 3:11 PM, GarthButcher5 said: The OP has presented a lot of ideas but the purpose and conclusion of this post has eluded me. I think he's pretty much saying tank or gtfo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 9 hours ago, CanadianRugby said: If we draft a couple of guys 2nd and 3rd overall and they have a ton of potential that doesn't equate in a Calder, I'm ok with that too. I'm just getting ready for random scrubs that show any potential being called elite on CDC. Gotcha, just needed a clarification on that one! I know what you mean too... so many people overate prospects it's amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, CaptKirk888 said: How about Linden, Naslund, Bertuzzi? All great Canucks and top players in their prime Yep them too. I was just using the Sedins as a quick example i wasn't planning on listing every great player who didn't win a Calder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Westcoasting said: Yep them too. I was just using the Sedins as a quick example i wasn't planning on listing every great player who didn't win a Calder. Well ya that would take a helluv a long time, certainly longer than the 10 extra seconds I used to mention those players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 10 hours ago, Baggins said: How many times do they need to say "REBUILD on the fly"? How many times have they said that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 2 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: How many times have they said that? From the time Benning was hired. It's been rebuild on the fly and try to compete for playoff spot all along. Seriously how much of the team needs to be replaced and how many young players added before you believe we're rebuilding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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