Where'd Luongo? Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 21 minutes ago, DontMessMe said: Thats y we will never acquire duchene. His price is too high Its gonna be Blue chip prospect Top 4 D 1st No, because nobody will pay that and then they will counter offer. I swear people on here have no idea what negotiations are. Of course they would like a prospect, dman, and 1st. Who wouldn't? That's what everyone wants. Have you ever bought a used car? Do you just pay the asking price? Have you ever bought a house? Do you just pay the asking price? Do you recall cba negotiations? Did everyone get exactly what they wanted? No, in all above situations they negotiate and lower their ask until a deal is made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 30 minutes ago, DontMessMe said: Thats y we will never acquire duchene. His price is too high Its gonna be Blue chip prospect Top 4 D 1st And the Oilers wanted the same for Hall, and look what they got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Where'd Luongo? said: No, because nobody will pay that and then they will counter offer. I swear people on here have no idea what negotiations are. Of course they would like a prospect, dman, and 1st. Who wouldn't? That's what everyone wants. Have you ever bought a used car? Do you just pay the asking price? Have you ever bought a house? Do you just pay the asking price? Do you recall cba negotiations? Did everyone get exactly what they wanted? No, in all above situations they negotiate and lower their ask until a deal is made. I think you're the one that's not understanding this - there are many types of negotiations. I can't believe you're comparing this to a used car sale. In a used car buying example, you have a motivated seller (the car's occupying space in the lot and the car's depreciating like crazy) and a motivated buyer (I need to get from point A to point B and the transit doesn't get me there fast enough). A better comparison would be: I own a startup company that's generating me 10 million dollars in revenue a year, but I'm thinking of retiring very early. Duchene's young, very productive, not a cancer to the team. The only reason he's on the market is because they want a star D-man in return. This is very similar to the Seth Jones-Ryan Johansen trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, vinny_in_vancouver said: I think you're the one that's not understanding this - there are many types of negotiations. I can't believe you're comparing this to a used car sale. In a used car buying example, you have a motivated seller (the car's occupying space in the lot and the car's depreciating like crazy) and a motivated buyer (I need to get from point A to point B and the transit doesn't get me there fast enough). A better comparison would be: I own a startup company that's generating me 10 million dollars in revenue a year, but I'm thinking of retiring very early. Duchene's young, very productive, not a cancer to the team. The only reason he's on the market is because they want a star D-man in return. This is very similar to the Seth Jones-Ryan Johansen trade. You think the Avs are going to get a star young deman for Duchene? Tanev is an over payment. Duchene is trending downward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: You think the Avs are going to get a star young deman for Duchene? Tanev is an over payment. Duchene is trending downward. Ah, Alf. I sometimes wonder whether they play hockey in your planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, vinny_in_vancouver said: Ah, Alf. I sometimes wonder whether they play hockey in your planet. I'm a Canucks fan, as are all my people:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Alflives said: I'm a Canucks fan, as are all my people:) But no trade happens unless you speak the other planets' language. I guess for as long as we stay away from the other planets, then it's ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 52 minutes ago, Sbriggs said: Never I would want Bo over Duchene any day of the week Agreed just saying that's what they would want valuewise not some of the proposals being thrown around here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Alflives said: You think the Avs are going to get a star young deman for Duchene? Tanev is an over payment. Duchene is trending downward. The Avs are trending downward. You make it sound like he's over the hill he's 26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, hammertime said: The Avs are trending downward. You make it sound like he's over the hill he's 26. Hall is 26 too, isn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just now, Alflives said: Hall is 26 too, isn't he? So your saying he's ready to breakout on a new team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Sbriggs said: Well then I guess there keeping him or finding another sucker. I don't understand why people here think that we have to pay what people want. News Flash WE DON'T. Lets remember the Avs came out and said they were on the market so its not like we came begging for him. Benning I hope is smarter then that. Being on the market doesnt mean being CHEAP He will stay with the Avs. Period. Unless someone is willing to pay a high price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 45 minutes ago, Where'd Luongo? said: No, because nobody will pay that and then they will counter offer. I swear people on here have no idea what negotiations are. Of course they would like a prospect, dman, and 1st. Who wouldn't? That's what everyone wants. Have you ever bought a used car? Do you just pay the asking price? Have you ever bought a house? Do you just pay the asking price? Do you recall cba negotiations? Did everyone get exactly what they wanted? No, in all above situations they negotiate and lower their ask until a deal is made. Trade doesnt have to happen. So.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just now, hammertime said: So your saying he's ready to breakout on a new team? For similar return, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 27 minutes ago, Alflives said: You think the Avs are going to get a star young deman for Duchene? Tanev is an over payment. Duchene is trending downward. You overvalue our players. And I guess you can say im the opposite. Im simply trying to look at a very neutral view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 hour ago, vinny_in_vancouver said: What I would love to see is for the OP to propose this in the Avalanche forums. I can't wait for the "give us Gudbranson and we'll throw in MacKinnon" responses. I would LOVE to see this happen. Not even joking. Sometimes proposal on these forums are SUPER BIASED towards us.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, DontMessMe said: You overvalue our players. And I guess you can say im the opposite. Im simply trying to look at a very neutral view. Considering the recent market set by the Hall/Larssen trade, you sound like an Avs fan, and not at all neutral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Considering the recent market set by the Hall/Larssen trade, you sound like an Avs fan, and not at all neutral. Look at the Gudbranson trade too. Not just that ONE GOD DAMN TRADE The Hall/Larsen trade was stupid. It was very one-sided btw off topic: I hope your not one of those crazy fans who think HANSEN is worth a 1st round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, DontMessMe said: Look at the Gudbranson trade too. Not just that ONE GOD DAMN TRADE The Hall/Larsen trade was stupid. It was very one-sided That's the current market. It may appear stupid to some fans, but defensive d, who can play a shut down role against other teams top players cost. Plus, 26 year old, one way offensive guys (who are perennially on losing teams) just might not carry the value some fans think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just now, Alflives said: That's the current market. It may appear stupid to some fans, but defensive d, who can play a shut down role against other teams top players cost. Plus, 26 year old, one way offensive guys (who are perennially on losing teams) just might not carry the value some fans think. Ur saying ONE TRADE makes the market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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