Ruxin'sVinegarStrokes Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 In 1991 the Canucks made a pivotal trade in Canucks history. I could see a contender wanting a similar trade but this time we are providing the playoff ammo: To Vancouver: Cliff Ronning, Geoff Courtnall, Sergio Momesso and Robert Dirk and a 5th round pick To St Louis: Dan Quinn and Garth Butcher The 4 players that Vancouver received all played vital rolls in the team's playoff run(s). I could see a contender wanting a similar type trade to boost their playoff hopes. I'm thinking a playoff team with plans of a deep push would consider adding all 3 of our players for depth. In return I'd expect a really good package. Starting bid is a top B+/A- prospect and a draft pick for all three and possibly a cap dump and/or salary held back. The team receiving would get a great player for next year in Hansen and 2 strong rental players. Miller would be a safe insurance policy and they need a backup goalie. Burrows would be a tough bottom 6 and is buddies with Kesler and Bieksa. Sekeres hinted at this as a possibility on his "Welcome Matt" segment on the today show, mentioning a bigger trade between Anaheim and Vancouver could be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 gave you a plus even though I think this is about to get moved to proposals .. I like it .. would love to be able to mention benning in the same sentence as pat quin ... so far , that aint happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bigturk8 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Most contending teams are tight against the cap. Even if we retained %50 on both Burrows and Miller, the team we're dealing with would still be taking on 7.75M in cap. We would need to take on a contract or two to make this happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I would be absolutely shocked if a trade like this happened in today's NHL. I can't think of too many contending teams with albatross contracts that make the cap work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruxin'sVinegarStrokes Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 12 minutes ago, Bigturk8 said: Most contending teams are tight against the cap. Even if we retained %50 on both Burrows and Miller, the team we're dealing with would still be taking on 7.75M in cap. We would need to take on a contract or two to make this happen. I mentioned a cap damp and/or salary retained. I should change that to a dump AND salary retained. But by the end of the year those salaries are only like 20% counted but I agree salary has to come back. For Anaheim Bernier at 4.15 plus something else it might work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigturk8 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, Ruxin'sVinegarStrokes said: I mentioned a cap damp and/or salary retained. I should change that to a dump AND salary retained. But by the end of the year those salaries are only like 20% counted but I agree salary has to come back. For Anaheim Bernier at 4.15 plus something else it might work. I've just done some reading a players cap hit during a mid season trade. I always knew that the salary was pro-rated depending on how many games the player had played, but I thought the cap hit remained the same no matter how far into the season they were. I understand now that I was wrong and that the team we're dealing with would only take on a fraction of the cap (based on how many days of the season had passed). That is my mistake and it makes your proposal significantly more plausible. Sorry for the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruxin'sVinegarStrokes Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 23 minutes ago, Bigturk8 said: Most contending teams are tight against the cap. Even if we retained %50 on both Burrows and Miller, the team we're dealing with would still be taking on 7.75M in cap. We would need to take on a contract or two to make this happen. Miller 6m Hansen 2.5 Burrows 4.5 13m / 2 = 6.5 Bernier is 4.15 Even if we took 2 slugs making 1M we make this work all day. I think it makes sense for Anaheim and Hansen and Miller have already been heavily speculated to having links to Anaheim. Burrows just makes sense considering his ties to Kesler and Bieksa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigturk8 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, Ruxin'sVinegarStrokes said: Miller 6m Hansen 2.5 Burrows 4.5 13m / 2 = 6.5 Bernier is 4.15 Even if we took 2 slugs making 1M we make this work all day. I think it makes sense for Anaheim and Hansen and Miller have already been heavily speculated to having links to Anaheim. Burrows just makes sense considering his ties to Kesler and Bieksa. Yeah, I screwed up on my math, but I was wrong before I got there anyways (see my post above). Edit: I didn't screw up on my math! You can't divide Hansen's contract by 2. A team can only have 3 retained salaries at any given time. With Luongo on board, we would want to retain for Burrows and Miller. Hansen's full cap would have to be transferred making 7.75M. Not that it's important because the full cap wouldn't be transferred due to the time of season that the trade was made. Regardless, I feel a little less stupid knowing that I calculated my first post correctly lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 would take way more then those three for us to get a package back helping us make the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 6 hours ago, Ruxin'sVinegarStrokes said: In 1991 the Canucks made a pivotal trade in Canucks history. I could see a contender wanting a similar trade but this time we are providing the playoff ammo: To Vancouver: Cliff Ronning, Geoff Courtnall, Sergio Momesso and Robert Dirk and a 5th round pick To St Louis: Dan Quinn and Garth Butcher The 4 players that Vancouver received all played vital rolls in the team's playoff run(s). I could see a contender wanting a similar type trade to boost their playoff hopes. I'm thinking a playoff team with plans of a deep push would consider adding all 3 of our players for depth. In return I'd expect a really good package. Starting bid is a top B+/A- prospect and a draft pick for all three and possibly a cap dump and/or salary held back. The team receiving would get a great player for next year in Hansen and 2 strong rental players. Miller would be a safe insurance policy and they need a backup goalie. Burrows would be a tough bottom 6 and is buddies with Kesler and Bieksa. Sekeres hinted at this as a possibility on his "Welcome Matt" segment on the today show, mentioning a bigger trade between Anaheim and Vancouver could be possible. There was no cap in that era when that trade went down. There has been lots of speculation that Anaheim has a self imposed cap limit by the owners, besides i doubt any contender will make a massive multi player trade. They usually just add to a depth position or somewhere they are weak in due to injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Anyone remember what was the salary cap in 1991? Oh.....right, a big fat nothing. No playoff teams can eat up 13M in cap space and three roster spot, even if we take some back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Try the Habbies..they're desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocksterh8 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Hopefully the drugs wear off soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I posted this in another thread as a dream-deal. Who knows *shrugs* To Anaheim: Ryan Miller (UFA) Jannik Hansen (2.5 million) Alex Burrows (UFA) To Vancouver: Jonathon Bernier (UFA) - cap dump Hampus Lindholm / Sami Vatanen Draft Pick(s) Anaheim gets forward depth; opens up space on their blue-line for guys like Montour, Theadore, Megna AND let's them do a 7-3-1 for Expansion Draft next year. ED: -Gibson -Bieksa / Fowler / Lindholm or Vatanen -Perry / Getzlaf / Kesler / Rakell / Silfverberg / Hansen / Cogliano Canucks could then parlay their glut of defensemen into a top-end forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 11 hours ago, Ruxin'sVinegarStrokes said: I mentioned a cap damp and/or salary retained. I should change that to a dump AND salary retained. But by the end of the year those salaries are only like 20% counted but I agree salary has to come back. For Anaheim Bernier at 4.15 plus something else it might work. Probably would have to change it to cap dump(s) and max salary retained for all that to work. As much as Miller, Burrows and Hansen's cap hits are only a portion by the trade deadline, so are the cap hit(s) of any dump we take back. There's a reason why we don't see trades with a lot of pieces moving in the cap era. They were complex enough before. 5 hours ago, ice orca said: There was no cap in that era when that trade went down. There has been lots of speculation that Anaheim has a self imposed cap limit by the owners, besides i doubt any contender will make a massive multi player trade. They usually just add to a depth position or somewhere they are weak in due to injury. Bingo, and the Ducks are already over $4M into LTI with $77M in cap hits currently. That's not a team that's taking on more cap in a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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