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Benning's Failure as GM (Discussion)

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16 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said:

I honestly do feel management has hindered Benning from what he's wanted to do until this TDL. Once management took of the rose coloured glasses and realized this sinking ship isn't capable of a retool on the fly I think they've finally released Benning to do as he pleases. I can't wait to see Benning rebuild this team.

That may be so ? 

I feel his biggest anchor in the executive suite is his side kick. It was proven out in first year in playoffs by his inability to manage his lines An match up to Calgary.

He may be a great person an all but he will now be the greatest detriment to moving the new core along into a more dynamic offensive system. I have not been a believer since Calgary series . He has sadly been in regression ,an dry rot sets in here. There is nothing to indicate you  Cant teach an old dog new tricks.( he is not the coach to go forward here)

Coaching may be one of the least understood art forms , the success long term "very few have ascended to the top of the mountain ".

 

 

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We have a plethora of top 6 potential prospects and youngsters.

 

Bo, Boeser, Goldobin, Dahlen, Baertschi, Granlund Guadette, Virtanen, 2017 draft pic. Some will exceed expectations others won't but I would be surprised if any of these players aren't NHL top 9 guys in 3 years. The first 5 mentioned likely make up a pretty respectable top 6. We are basically one "Star" player and a couple tenacious checking pests away from a rebuild. We should have the money to get that "star" when the Sedins contracts come off the books. *cough* Tavares *cough* 

 

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12 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said:

Dahlen! I'm that high on the kid! I wouldn't rush him to the NHL but I think he's got top line skill. I think Dahlen is pretty comparable to a guy like Tyler Johnson.

I'm high on both the new guys JB got this TDL.  It's going to be really exciting to see all the new (YOUNG) players coming into the team over the next few seasons.  JB did real good this TDL.  I'll change my opinion though, if he signs another old UFA to term like he did with Errikson to supplement the Twins.

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28 minutes ago, RWMc1 said:

Except he's not scoring 30 goals in a couple of shifts. It sounds like Babych likes Grenier with the Sedins or Horvat long term.

I'll take the heat for assuming that babych was drunk at the time of the comment and or he was just handing out supersized cups of koolaid..

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4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I'm high on both the new guys JB got this TDL.  It's going to be really exciting to see all the new (YOUNG) players coming into the team over the next few seasons.  JB did real good this TDL.  I'll change my opinion though, if he signs another old UFA to term like he did with Errikson to supplement the Twins.

JB can't he needs to give raises to BO, Tram, Gud, and see if Miller will take a pay cut. He won't have enough money to do all of that and sign some ufa anchor.

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Just now, riffraff said:

I'll take the heat for assuming that babych was drunk at the time of the comment and or he was just handing out supersized cups of koolaid..

Babych please!

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I think the UFA will get stepped down a notch for us this summer Alf. The three  pick ups with any College signing's + any other pick ups. To me if aquire's another big UFA name it would signal to me WD will be the coach moving forward An status quo with team structure An style. 

The moves JB has started to make this TDL indicate a modest departure from the 2 way grinders an mulers.It would seem Now he will pursue more offensive legitimate top six scorers to augment the the youth he has started bringing in.

A player like Evander Kane would not bother me at all if he is the type that comes in as a UFA this summer.It sure will be interesting.

ifeel like the team has now stopped spinning its wheels An gain traction again.

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JB took a lot of flack last year for not making any trades at the TDL,i think GM's were trying to fleece him last year because he's new at GM.by holding out last year it paid off huge this year.thank you james brown. 

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1 hour ago, gino#29 said:

JB took a lot of flack last year for not making any trades at the TDL,i think GM's were trying to fleece him last year because he's new at GM.by holding out last year it paid off huge this year.thank you james brown. 

I think the big thing JB learned this year was getting the groundwork done for these deals early...IMO...I'm speculating,but last year, I think that JB waited it out until the actual deadline (expecting a bidding war for Hammer) to get the highest return....As we all know,it backfired.

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3 minutes ago, Honky Cat said:

I think the big thing JB learned this year was getting the groundwork done for these deals early...IMO...I'm speculating,but last year, I think that JB waited it out until the actual deadline (expecting a bidding war for Hammer) to get the highest return....As we all know,it backfired.

Hard to have a bidding war though when the play had a full NTC.  

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1 hour ago, gino#29 said:

JB took a lot of flack last year for not making any trades at the TDL,i think GM's were trying to fleece him last year because he's new at GM.by holding out last year it paid off huge this year.thank you james brown. 

Also, you did notice that the two guys everyone thought he should have gotten something for (Vrbata and Hamhuis) weren't moved at this TDL, despite it being open knowledge that Vrbata was available. So...was last year Benning's fault for not moving them for a "bag of pucks", or is it more that that bag was all that was offered? Yes, I do recall that there was a halfway decent offer for Hamhuis, and maybe that was a bit of a newbie mistake. Um...mistake corrected this year, emphatically.

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42 minutes ago, Honky Cat said:

I think the big thing JB learned this year was getting the groundwork done for these deals early...IMO...I'm speculating,but last year, I think that JB waited it out until the actual deadline (expecting a bidding war for Hammer) to get the highest return....As we all know,it backfired.

Couldn't agree more. I think last year they had the fantasy of we could still make the playoffs all up until trade deadline. Hamhuis' suitors found other options and a last minute deal brought to Aquilini had him requesting Benning ask for more and eventually Dallas just went with a different route. I think management has woken up and seen where we are destined to be the next couple years and have given Benning full control. Last years mishaps I'm sure had Benning putting in groundwork to these trades weeks before the deadline.

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I've been a Benning supporter since day 1, felt this was a guy who knows his hockey and he kind of reminded me of Burke. Benning has been limited to where he can trade players too, with all the NTC and NMC clauses from our previous GM, so that also limits the players he really wants that's hard for a GM to just accept. I think now and moving forward, you'll really start to see moves and players he wants on this team, and he can make trades with almost all teams instead of just 2 or 3. Seeing how he's really trying to address the offensive talent for top 6 going forward, because he knows it's very weak shows how great he is imo, he sees the weakness and is working to fix it. Will say though I can't give him credit for Eriksson, that's turning out to be UGLY, hopefully Benning can pull some of his magic again next year and ship him out!

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I think his biggest failure is he hasn't fired willie d yet. Until he does that rebuild will not start although it's started

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7 hours ago, Honky Cat said:

I think the big thing JB learned this year was getting the groundwork done for these deals early...IMO...I'm speculating,but last year, I think that JB waited it out until the actual deadline (expecting a bidding war for Hammer) to get the highest return....As we all know,it backfired.

How do you get a bidding war going when only one of the three teams on Hammers list had any interest at all? There was no backfire, or waiting too long, Dallas got the guy they wanted on deadline day. Last minute Dallas made a crap offer for Hamhuis and would have told the to screw off too. I'd rather let a player walk than give him away to help another teams playoff run. Had he taken that bogus offer it would have sent the message around the league, "wait till the last minute and you can fleece me".

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8 hours ago, Honky Cat said:

I think the big thing JB learned this year was getting the groundwork done for these deals early...IMO...I'm speculating,but last year, I think that JB waited it out until the actual deadline (expecting a bidding war for Hammer) to get the highest return....As we all know,it backfired.

I think you've rewritten the story eliminating all the context and adding an assumption to your story.

Hamhuis had a broken face last year, was only healthy a short period before the deadline.  He had a pregnant spouse at the time, due not a long time after the deadline.  He never seemed terribly enthused to leave his family.  He had a list which included a couple teams that showed interest - Chicago went another direction early,, and Dallas mistaken thought Russell would help more than Hamhuis and paid a higher price to rent him.

Dallas lost, hard, in the playoffs and on that deal.

And then they let Russell walk and circled back to sign Hamhuis in the summer, pretty much an admission of the fact.

I think people can get the wrong impression that a GM can control all the variables, as if there was a failure involved because it's assumed he thought he could ride a bidding war.  At what point was there more than one team actively interested.  Benning is no idiot, he's done well in some tight situations but you simply don't win them all, like the game itself.

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The first 4 points of Friedman's 30 thoughts were about the Canucks.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-trades-left-table-deadline-day/

 

 

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1. One year ago, Trevor Linden was a frustrated man. The Canucks’ president of hockey operations saw his organization come under tremendous heat for trade deadline inactivity. This year? “Very different,” he said Wednesday. “Much better feeling.” He admitted the last couple of weeks were strange for him. “We are undergoing a significant transformation. I remember being in the dressing room when Alex Burrows walked in for his first regular-season game.” The best thing you can have is volume. Not all of your picks/prospects are going to work out. But the more you stockpile, the more of a chance you have. 

Adding Jonathan Dahlen and Nikolay Goldobin to your pool is never a negative. Linden was in the meeting earlier this week when the Canucks laid out their plans to Daniel Sedin and Henrik Sedin. “I didn’t expect anything different from them than what happened. We talk to them regularly throughout the year. They are such good people. I think they understand where we are and where we are going to.” The Sedins are eligible for an extension July 1, but Linden said that did not come up. “They have told us they will decide year-to-year. Everyone knows we want them here as long as they want to play.”

2. Did the Canucks — at their recent organizational meetings in Pittsburgh — ever consider trading Alexander Edler and/or Chris Tanev? “Those were great conversations,” Linden answered. “We considered all our options, looked at everything we could, put everything on the table. At the end of the day, with the youth we have on our defence, we decided we must have people who can steady the ship. We placed a high priority on that. Don’t put players into situations they are not ready for.” That’s a reason they are considering keeping Ryan Miller. They want the best possible goaltending behind them.

3. Linden added no one should expect Vancouver to be a significant player in free agency. “Loui (Eriksson) was a unique opportunity. His relationship with Daniel and Henrik…through the Olympics in 2010 he knew and liked the city. I don’t think that’s the way build this team now. We’re more in the market for ‘bridge’ support, shorter term.”

4. Finally on Vancouver, their biggest victory this year may come from internal growth — the likes of Sven Baertschi, Markus Granlund, Bo Horvat, Ben Hutton and Troy Stecher. But when asked if there was someone who has come furthest, he didn’t hesitate. “The guy who has surprised me the most is (Nikita) Tryamkin. Fitness, nutrition…he decided to totally buy in. I didn’t think I would see it this quickly. You have to credit our strength and conditioning staff, our veterans…He made an impressive commitment.”

 

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Uhh, lack of Canadian content on the Canucks.

 

5 to 1 Canadians in the NHL compared to the closest country on the list the US.

 

A Canadian team with only 5 forwards from Canada. 

 

Seriously how hard are these guys going to try, what extra gear are these guys going to draw on for a Canadian city when it comes time to crunch and push for it? While I realize that what is going on in Vancouver is a strange kind of delusional rebuild, but not a rebuild and we have no chance at getting there with these players. I ask....


Are the Canucks nothing more than a Euro Paycheck status symbol now?

 

If I wanted to watch whatever the Canucks are becoming. I would tune into a european sports station and watch hockey there.

 

Rant out.

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2 hours ago, Outhouse said:

Uhh, lack of Canadian content on the Canucks.

 

5 to 1 Canadians in the NHL compared to the closest country on the list the US.

 

A Canadian team with only 5 forwards from Canada. 

 

Seriously how hard are these guys going to try, what extra gear are these guys going to draw on for a Canadian city when it comes time to crunch and push for it? While I realize that what is going on in Vancouver is a strange kind of delusional rebuild, but not a rebuild and we have no chance at getting there with these players. I ask....


Are the Canucks nothing more than a Euro Paycheck status symbol now?

 

If I wanted to watch whatever the Canucks are becoming. I would tune into a european sports station and watch hockey there.

 

Rant out.

Maybe look at the whole team instead just the forwards. The best player on the team right now is Canadian. Most our our Defensive core (Gudbranson, Tanev, Stetcher, Hutton, Biega) are Canadian. We have a fairly sizeable US contingent, as we do Euros. (Skille, Megna, Sutter, Boucher, not to mention prospects such as Demko, Boeser, Gaudette, and Lockwood). Stop being a Don Cherry. The best player for the Leafs is an American, for Winnipeg its a Finn. Benning just revamped the defensive core, now he's working on the forwards. Go watch the CHL or BCHL if you want to see more Canadian content. 

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