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Looked like the elbow was high and perhaps to the back of the head or neck area. Hard to tell with the camera angle though. Dahlen could pick Stetcher's brain on how to avoid thugs like Lucic that are bearing down. 

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The league begs to differ - three game suspension for this hit.  This guy is a repeat, repeat, repeat offender.  He was also suspended in April for a nasty cross check.  He was also suspended for 3 games in Dec 2015 for an illegal hit to the head.  He was also given a 5 minute major for boarding on a vicious hit to the face that took out Sautner earlier this year - Sautner is still out.

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25 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said:

The league begs to differ - three game suspension for this hit.  This guy is a repeat, repeat, repeat offender.  He was also suspended in April for a nasty cross check.  He was also suspended for 3 games in Dec 2015 for an illegal hit to the head.  He was also given a 5 minute major for boarding on a vicious hit to the face that took out Sautner earlier this year - Sautner is still out.

Hey, remember when everyone want EP40 to spend sometime down there.

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Ive had some really bad concussions. So bad that being around loud sounds was unbearable. Its a good sign that Dahlen can go to a Football game with all the loud noise. Hope his recovery is quick. 

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11 hours ago, Dats hockey said:

Hey, remember when everyone want EP40 to spend sometime down there.

Hey remember that it happened to EP as well in the NHL? Happens in every league.

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52 minutes ago, smokes said:

Hey remember that it happened to EP as well in the NHL? Happens in every league.

Not saying it doesn’t but definitely more frequent in the AHL

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2 minutes ago, Dats hockey said:

Not saying it doesn’t but definitely more frequent in the AHL

The lower the league, the more the goonery.  The vast majority of the lower leagues' teams are in small town USA, where they think hockey is like the movie Slap Shot, and expect WWE like entertainment.  Maybe a lot of European guys stay home because of the stupidity going on these "so called" developmental leagues. 

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On 12/16/2018 at 9:46 AM, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

same asshole who broke Sautner's face with his elbow.

 

Tangradi better keep his head up because when we play him next, there are going to be some hell to pay

You think?  I wouldn't hold my breath

 

It is the spineless NHL and AHL in cahoots with the Players Association that are the root of the problem.

 

There should be a more draconian approach.  

 

if any player, regardless of circumstances, causes a concussion to another player, he shall be suspended - without pay - for 40 games, including playoff games and carried forward if applicable to the following season

 

that would stop the headhunting in a heartbeat.

 

(Obviously there would need to be some fine print - like the "concussed" player going on IR - to avoid teams gaming the system. 10 mins in the quiet room wouldn't qualify, for instance)

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Googlie said:

You think?  I wouldn't hold my breath

 

It is the spineless NHL and AHL in cahoots with the Players Association that are the root of the problem.

 

There should be a more draconian approach.  

 

if any player, regardless of circumstances, causes a concussion to another player, he shall be suspended - without pay - for 40 games, including playoff games and carried forward if applicable to the following season

 

that would stop the headhunting in a heartbeat.

 

(Obviously there would need to be some fine print - like the "concussed" player going on IR - to avoid teams gaming the system. 10 mins in the quiet room wouldn't qualify, for instance)

 

 

 

 

 

Ridiculous suggestion. So in your world, if Elias Pettersson accidentally concusses Johnny Gaudreau he gets suspended 40 games "regardless of circumstance". Haha silly suggestion and not well thought out at all.

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The thing that bothers me about the AHL is that they do not seem to have a system in place to deal with repeat offenders and a set minimum number of games suspended that is increased for each repeat offense that occurs over a specified time length. I state the "minimum" as a guideline only; as the severity of the offense would determine the actual number above that if the situation warranted it. Any one else have some thoughts on this?

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7 hours ago, Googlie said:

You think?  I wouldn't hold my breath

 

It is the spineless NHL and AHL in cahoots with the Players Association that are the root of the problem.

 

There should be a more draconian approach.  

 

if any player, regardless of circumstances, causes a concussion to another player, he shall be suspended - without pay - for 40 games, including playoff games and carried forward if applicable to the following season

 

that would stop the headhunting in a heartbeat.

 

(Obviously there would need to be some fine print - like the "concussed" player going on IR - to avoid teams gaming the system. 10 mins in the quiet room wouldn't qualify, for instance)

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, it would surely stop headhunting, but I think it would probably put an end to most hitting altogether.  Hockey is so fast and physical that a concussion can be the result of a clean hit, turned ugly due to the 'victim' dropping his shoulder or changing direction.  The initial action is too quick to redirect in time to nullify the hit.  There is no fault or intent in these situations.  In the majority of cases, intent to cause injury is not factor.

 

I think most players would seriously ease off on hits, rather than face a 40 game suspension.

 

Now if you're talking about guys like Tom Wilson, who have had several violations (and very dangerous plays), then yeah...throw the book at them.

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2 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:

Ridiculous suggestion. So in your world, if Elias Pettersson accidentally concusses Johnny Gaudreau he gets suspended 40 games "regardless of circumstance". Haha silly suggestion and not well thought out at all.

Under what circumstances would EP concuss Johnny Gaudreau?

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8 minutes ago, Googlie said:

Under what circumstances would EP concuss Johnny Gaudreau?

Does EP paint garden gnomes in his spare time?  Maybe he drops little Johnny on his head? :shock:

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48 minutes ago, Googlie said:

Under what circumstances would EP concuss Johnny Gaudreau?

Read your post again Googlie. YOU said "REGARDLESS OF CIRCUMSTANCES"!!!!

 

Lol. That is why your post was so silly to begin with. It seems you don't even understand it lmao.  :picard:

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I was at a Bantam game on the weekend. A player lost his edge and fell coming in to check a player at centre ice, the other player was flipped and landed on his head/neck and laid motionless on the ice for over 20 minutes waiting for the paramedics to arrive. They stabilized the young boy, took him off the ice on a stretcher and transported to the hospital. He was diagnosed with a severe concussion and a sprained neck.

 

This same scenario could happen any time in the NHL and I can't see any possible justification for a penalty, let alone a suspension. 

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6 hours ago, Dats hockey said:

Not saying it doesn’t but definitely more frequent in the AHL

Is there actual information that backs this claim up? There have been plenty of bad hits and concussions just this season alone in the NHL.

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5 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

Is there actual information that backs this claim up? There have been plenty of bad hits and concussions just this season alone in the NHL.

I went web surfing to try and find some but failed. Not that I spent that much time looking.

 

Saying there are more concussions in the AHL than the NHL is just one of those things posters seem to type without any actual proof. They like to assume it is more of a goon league. Not sure why...watching the movie "Goon" too many times?? lol

 

Tom Wilson himself hands out plenty of concussions in the NHL. I doubt the AHL has higher numbers but would love it if someone actually has stats.

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29 minutes ago, Rick Blight said:

I was at a Bantam game on the weekend. A player lost his edge and fell coming in to check a player at centre ice, the other player was flipped and landed on his head/neck and laid motionless on the ice for over 20 minutes waiting for the paramedics to arrive. They stabilized the young boy, took him off the ice on a stretcher and transported to the hospital. He was diagnosed with a severe concussion and a sprained neck.

 

This same scenario could happen any time in the NHL and I can't see any possible justification for a penalty, let alone a suspension. 

That is a great point Rick. Every incident where a player is severely injured by another player on the ice has to be judged on what the sequence of events were. If it was "intentional" or "accidental" and could the situation have been avoided by either player? Was the injury caused by, in the case you mentioned, "just losing an edge" or poor ice conditions.

 

Not every injury or concussion happens due to deliberate intent and whether it is suspension worthy has to be judged on that.

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1 hour ago, Kanukfanatic said:

Read your post again Googlie. YOU said "REGARDLESS OF CIRCUMSTANCES"!!!!

 

Lol. That is why your post was so silly to begin with. It seems you don't even understand it lmao.  :picard:

Let me rephrase my question then:

 

In what way could EP cause Johnny to be concussed? 

 

(Obviously Rick's example would be one).

 

My suggestion was hyperbole, obviously, to start a discussion.  One could insert "intentionally causes", but that then opens up determining intemt. The point I was making was that the deterrent (one game, 3 games) renders the punishment toothless.

 

(And btw, it didn't warrant your flame response)

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