Popular Post UticaHockey Posted December 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2018 10 hours ago, NHL'er said: I understand but disagree. If his passion spills into an “I am holier than thou” attitude, it doesn’t change the fact he’s displaying a “I am holier than thou” attitude. His post above demonstrates that clearly enough. Anyway, back on topic, I’m rooting for Dahlen. Still believe he can become a Sven Baerstchi type player for us. I'm confused on the bolded part. My post above was a simple question to a poster if he actually watches AHL games or just forms his opinions based on highlights and gifs. Here is his quote that lead me to the question. Even if it may be vital to adapt to the small rink, especially defensivly, I don't see how he can develop his game in a dump-and-chase-thug-league like AHL His opinion is that Dahlen should go back to Sweden because the AHL is a thug league. If he regularly watches AHL games than I disagree with with his opinion. If he doesn't watch AHL games then it is a misinformed opinion. If all I ever watched was NHL highlands of Tom Wilson being Tom Wilson or Matheson body slamming EP, Martel concussing Stecher or even Paquette running EP I could easily come away with the opinion that the NHL is full of head hunting thugs. But I actually watch most Canucks games instead of relying on a few highlights posted to Twitter so I know better. If Dahlen is going to advance to the NHL he needs to develop a game that is applicable to the North American game. I'm sure the risk of injury is greater in the AHL than it would be in the SHL but the risk is also higher in the NHL. How long do you want to put a protective bubble around these guys before you expose them to the North American game? Pettersson is very physically slight and has been injured once already. Odds are he will be injured again at some point. Does anyone think he should go back to Sweden for a couple seasons to give him more time to physically fill out to reduce the chance of another injury? Probably not. If these guys plan on having a career in the NHL it is my opinion they need to be playing in North America whether it be the NHL if they are ready or the AHL if they still need some additional development. 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 15 hours ago, NHL'er said: Agreed with your both parts of your post. I think UticaHockey makes some great informative posts but sometimes he acts like he has a monopoly over all things AHL which is a shame because he’d be quite popular if he wasn’t so condescending! If you were a resident Canuck fan on a Carolina Hurricanes forum, you might feel like you're more informed about the Canucks. Of course that doesn't make you the know-all of all things Canucks either, but your opinion is likely more well informed than discussing with the Carolina fans that may not have the same access that you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 Finally got a chance to see Dahlen perform today. He's ... disappointing to say the least. His game just does not translate to North American ice very well. Kid needs a strong offseason to make sure his development doesn't stall. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stawns Posted January 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2019 17 hours ago, Mathew Barzal said: Finally got a chance to see Dahlen perform today. He's ... disappointing to say the least. His game just does not translate to North American ice very well. Kid needs a strong offseason to make sure his development doesn't stall. the biggest problem with fans is that they buy into this media narrative about the NHL being a league dominated by young players, and it's not. Sure, some young stars have come into the league and made big splashes, but that's how it's always been. It is still a man's league and the majority of young players need 2-3 seasons before they really start to find their game and consistency within their game. JD is very young and has plenty of time to develop..........people need to stop projecting their own timelines on to these young guys. And, I agree, he needs to have very intense, productive off seasons over the next cpl of years if he wants to make his mark in the NHL. Personally, I'm not too worried about him. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 ...and some of us thought he would actually make the Canucks this year. I'm guilty of this, and also assuming he would instantly take a Top 6 spot and create magic with Pettersson. (because they have some chemistry from their Sweden days) I hope he just needs the extra development time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpn1 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 From the beginning I expected him to need 2 years in Utica. People need to be much more patient with the young guys. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Dahlen looks like he has had the spunk/spontaneity coached out of him....just what Green DIDN'T do to EP....he is not making dynamic moves or plays like he used too and while he is on the first PP ...he looks to be under utilized on it. As soon as he learns how to deal with the way Cull seems to want him to play...I think he will break out. It's another case (like Quinn) of having no-one who can think the game like him to play with....expect a quantum leap when he does get called up to the Canucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 40 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: Dahlen looks like he has had the spunk/spontaneity coached out of him....just what Green DIDN'T do to EP....he is not making dynamic moves or plays like he used too and while he is on the first PP ...he looks to be under utilized on it. As soon as he learns how to deal with the way Cull seems to want him to play...I think he will break out. It's another case (like Quinn) of having no-one who can think the game like him to play with....expect a quantum leap when he does get called up to the Canucks. like he used to? You mean in the second tier league in Sweden that is around the level of major junior in NA? Of course he can't do that in one of the best pro leagues in the world, nor will he likely be able to do it in the NHL. Learn to be consistent, then be creative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 21 hours ago, stawns said: like he used to? You mean in the second tier league in Sweden that is around the level of major junior in NA? Of course he can't do that in one of the best pro leagues in the world, nor will he likely be able to do it in the NHL. Learn to be consistent, then be creative. He was doing it at training camp against NHL players as well, making moves and anticpating passes by getting on his horse before they are even sent ...as well as making dekes in front of the net ...and scoring on those deke's. It looks to me like he is getting mentally beat down...I hope I am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutesi Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I still think this guy has a future. He's just acclimatizing to the rinks, the opposition, and getting stronger. Wait a year and see what we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 20 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: He was doing it at training camp against NHL players as well, making moves and anticpating passes by getting on his horse before they are even sent ...as well as making dekes in front of the net ...and scoring on those deke's. It looks to me like he is getting mentally beat down...I hope I am wrong. He played two pre-season games and didn't get a point in either one. He was at the prospects' games but those are not established NHLers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueDragon23 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Think it’s way too early to write Dahlen off. It’s only his first year playing pro on North American soil. Much different than European style. He’s still very young, and will adapt accordingly. Just need to have patience. Not worried 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 It's his first year in NA so hopefully there have been some improvements in his game since the start of the year. I am all for drafting or signing FA European players if thats the route we go. I know Dahlen was traded for...But, to me the ice surface is way different, all players say it is, the IIHF wants to play on NHL sized ice surfaces in the future. Bringing over any Canuck players under contract to NA the sooner the better imo. Adapting to a smaller ice surface can't be easy and even the A is a fast league and of course like any league you need to keep your head up. I was ok that Palmu went back to Finland, would have maybe liked to see him and Gadj go to the ECHL to get more ice. But as a Euro you have that card in your back pocket to go home, probably make more $, especially compared to ECHL $ Unless we get riddled with injuries or trade away a couple F by the deadline I don't see Dahlen being called up. It is probably better for him to play the full season in the A, train like no tomorrow in the summer and come back to NA early to get extra practice in before camp. I didn't expect Dahlen to light it up, would it have been nice of course but not everyone can do that. Next season to me is a big year for Dahlen, get some pre season games and potentially be on the NHL roster or what I think is more likely is go back to Utica and play hard to earn a in season call up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungass Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Bagged one tonight so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) The top 10 point-getters in the AHL are: - Daniel Carr (Age 27) - Brandon Pirri (Age 27) - Carter Verhaeghe (Age 23) - Chris Terry (Age 29) - Chris Mueller (Age 32) - Andrew Poturalski (Age 24) - Peter Holland (Age 27) - Cory Conacher (Age 29) - Brooks Macek (Age 26) - Tory Terry (Age 21) Its not like it is all a bunch of young guns lighting up the AHL. It isn't an easy league. Dahlen is barely 21 years old and playing on a very average weak Utica team. Edited January 13, 2019 by Down by the River 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I'm beginning to wonder if Dahlen will become a top 6 NHL player. A year older than Pettersson, Dahlen is still trying to find success on NA ice. He's nowhere near ready for the big leagues. Maybe in 2020/21? 9 goals (20 points) in 38 games (and a -11) in the AHL To put that into perspective, Gaunce has 23 points in 26 games (and a +5) Sure Gaunce is 3 years older and it's taken him time to produce a bit, but this is Gaunce. Dahlen should be cruising by this guy on the depth chart and I'm not so sure he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, NUCKER67 said: I'm beginning to wonder if Dahlen will become a top 6 NHL player. A year older than Pettersson, Dahlen is still trying to find success on NA ice. He's nowhere near ready for the big leagues. Maybe in 2020/21? 9 goals (20 points) in 38 games (and a -11) in the AHL To put that into perspective, Gaunce has 23 points in 26 games (and a +5) Sure Gaunce is 3 years older and it's taken him time to produce a bit, but this is Gaunce. Dahlen should be cruising by this guy on the depth chart and I'm not so sure he is. Dahlen is still physically a boy. He’s got lots of growing left to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: I'm beginning to wonder if Dahlen will become a top 6 NHL player. A year older than Pettersson, Dahlen is still trying to find success on NA ice. He's nowhere near ready for the big leagues. Maybe in 2020/21? 9 goals (20 points) in 38 games (and a -11) in the AHL To put that into perspective, Gaunce has 23 points in 26 games (and a +5) Sure Gaunce is 3 years older and it's taken him time to produce a bit, but this is Gaunce. Dahlen should be cruising by this guy on the depth chart and I'm not so sure he is. Patience man. He's showing glimmers, he just needs to put it together on a consistent basis. Some kids take longer to develop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, cyoung said: Patience man. He's showing glimmers, he just needs to put it together on a consistent basis. Some kids take longer to develop. Yeah, I know. He's still only 21 and coming from Europe, maybe it's taking him more time than others. I'm going to temper my expectations though, I remember being excited about Anton Rodin and Philip Larsen. I hope he takes strides this off season, would love to see him become a Canuck one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 45 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Yeah, I know. He's still only 21 and coming from Europe, maybe it's taking him more time than others. I'm going to temper my expectations though, I remember being excited about Anton Rodin and Philip Larsen. I hope he takes strides this off season, would love to see him become a Canuck one day. A telling point will be how he trains this summer and what the experience of this season has in his prep. Same for Lynn and Gadjovich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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