Nikolay Goldobin | LW/RW

[-AJ-]

2 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

Oh geez, forgot about Baertschi. I think Goldobin may be as good as gone then. Unless....are they waiting to see how Baertschi performs at camp before making a decision? Any chance Baertschi gets waived?  Maybe he can get his game back in gear in the minors? (or to see if he can even still play) Not sure another team would claim him, kind of damaged goods and he's making $3.6.

 

 

All depends on his health. A healthy Baertschi is definitely with $3.6M. We'll see in a few months I guess. 

[Kanukfanatic]

17 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

Yeah. Goldobin is definitely a skilled player with defensive defencies. I hope he's worked on his defensive side of the game. 

 

I can see this line up, entering into the season. 

 

Gaudette sent to Utica to at least begin the season, let his offensive game blossom down there, being the number 1 centre. 

 

1st Ferland/Pettersson/Boeser

2nd Goldobin/Horvat/Miller 

3rd Pearson/Sutter/Virtanen (I can see Miller and Virtanen inter-changeable here)

4th Roussel/Beagle/Motte 

 

I want Virtanen to be given some time for a top six role. But I'm not convinced that Green sees Jake in that role. But, if he did. I can see Virtanen on Bo's wing, and Miller with Sutter. If Sutter can remain healthy until the Trade Deadline, I think Jim ships him out, and replaces Gaudette on that 3rd centreman. 

 

I can even see Miller on Pettersson's wing, and Ferland on the 3rd line.

 

Thing is, though, that Sutter just isn't very good offensively. So anyone who's going to be playing with him isn't going to be any good offensively. 

 

I doubt JB got Ferland or Miller to be on the 3rd line.

 

Miller is a legit 1st line winger so there is zero chance he goes there imo.  Ferland was most likely brought in to also play on the 1st or 2nd line. Can't see either of them on the 3rd.

 

The only open spot is a 2nd line spot. Since Milller can play either wing that spot could be either wing imo.  Pearson played lights out after we got him so he probably gets the spot for the first 30 games to show if he can do it again.

 

Ferland  Petey  Boeser

Pearson  Horvat  JT Miller

Leivo  Sutter  Virtanen

Motte  Beagle  MacEwen

 

Roussel back on the 3rd line when he gets back.

 

Baer / Goldy - doesn't look like there is much room for them. Maybe Baer gets that 3rd line right wing and Leivo takes the 4th line spot.

 

Goldy seems like he would be gone. Schaller is either the 13th forward or they get rid of him and give that spot to a Utica guy.

[filthycanuck]

12 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

Oh geez, forgot about Baertschi. I think Goldobin may be as good as gone then. Unless....are they waiting to see how Baertschi performs at camp before making a decision? Any chance Baertschi gets waived?  Maybe he can get his game back in gear in the minors? (or to see if he can even still play) Not sure another team would claim him, kind of damaged goods and he's making $3.6.

 

 

I think Baertchi still has value if they were to trade him even with the injuries. When healthy he produces. He'd probably fetch a decent prospect/project prospect from a team that a has a surplus in a position. Personally I wouldn't trade him unless you get offered a homerun deal, if not, might as well see what he can do healthy and deal with it at TDL or next season

[Angry Goose]

On 6/7/2019 at 10:54 AM, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

Every summer so far since we acquired him, I have this annoyance with Goldy's commitment level and leaves me saying the hell with him.  But every single time I come back to the thought just hold on just a bit longer with him, he will get it.

 

So yet again I'm renewing my confidence in Goldy.  A new agent, a full year in the NHL, and a real good taste what he needs to do to be a consistent top six forward on this team, has no more excuses, its now or never with him.  

 

 

have faith, he's going to take another step this season.  

[aGENT]

8 hours ago, SILLY GOOSE said:

have faith, he's going to take another step this season.  

All the skill in the world but if he isn't able to up his compete/battle/puck pursuit/attack...it will be all for naught.

[Bure_Pavel]

21 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

Is Pearson a true Top 6 player? He once had a 24-goal season playing with LA. I kniow he had some chemistry with Bo last season.

 

Top 6:

 

Ferland

Pettersson

Boeser

Horvat

Miller

 

I would imagine the #2LW position would be between Pearson and Goldobin?

 

 

 

 

I would like to see Virtanen take that last spot, but well see how much he can improve in the offseason. He is turning 23 and is on an expiring contract, there should be no lack of motivation. Would like to see him work on his shot and passing this offseason. His shot had so much potential when he was first drafted, but i dont think he has utilized it well so far in his NHL career.

 

Similar situation for Goldy but he needs to keep his feet moving and be better on the D side or he will be watching from the bleechers.   

Edited July 17, 2019 by Bure_Pavel

[Nucker 67]

 

29 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Would like to see him work on his shot

I can't recall Virtanen ever taking a slap shot.

[Bure_Pavel]

47 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

 

I can't recall Virtanen ever taking a slap shot.

Me neither, its hard to play in the top 6 if you cant hammer home a one timer or have elite passing. Shot power, speed, acceleration, and strength are his bread and butter, needs to learn to use his strengths and play the right style of game to be effective. Hard on forecheck, laying the body, quick hard shots from high scoring areas, and getting to the net with the puck and for rebounds. 

Edited July 17, 2019 by Bure_Pavel

[dpn1]

I remember back in the 90's Scottie Bowman would throw Sergei Federov (spelling I know) on defense to work on that side of his game.  Maybe green should try it and see if it works. 

[Angry Goose]

2 hours ago, aGENT said:

All the skill in the world but if he isn't able to up his compete/battle/puck pursuit/attack...it will be all for naught.

For sure.  I have a hopeful feeling he's going to step up in that department.  

[aGENT]

3 minutes ago, SILLY GOOSE said:

For sure.  I have a hopeful feeling he's going to step up in that department.  

His problem is that he's quickly running out of roster spot opportunities. Unless he can nab the 2nd line W'er spot that's up for grabs beating out both Baer and Pearson....

 

I could see him as 13th F. We've got lots of guys we could call up for bottom 6 roles if we have injuries but we're slim on top 6 guys. It will be up to him though to take advantage of any opportunities he might potentially get in that role.

 

Miller/Ferland, Pettersson, Boeser

Baer/Pearson, Horvat, Miller/Ferland

Baer/Pearson, Sutter, Virtanen/Leivo

Motte, Beagle, Virtanen/Leivo

 

Goldobin

 

*Roussell on IR

**No Eriksson in sight

 

I'd imagine in that scenario, Schaller is waived/traded but he could also potentially be 13th until Rouss gets back and we try to slide Goldobin to Utica in the same period everyone else moves there waiver eligible players down (where he'd likely see far more play time/be better served).

 

Also seems to me that whoever loses the Baer/Pearson battle is likely to be moved before Roussels impending return.

[N4ZZY]

On 7/16/2019 at 5:47 PM, Kanukfanatic said:

I doubt JB got Ferland or Miller to be on the 3rd line.

 

Miller is a legit 1st line winger so there is zero chance he goes there imo.  Ferland was most likely brought in to also play on the 1st or 2nd line. Can't see either of them on the 3rd.

 

The only open spot is a 2nd line spot. Since Milller can play either wing that spot could be either wing imo.  Pearson played lights out after we got him so he probably gets the spot for the first 30 games to show if he can do it again.

 

Ferland  Petey  Boeser

Pearson  Horvat  JT Miller

Leivo  Sutter  Virtanen

Motte  Beagle  MacEwen

 

Roussel back on the 3rd line when he gets back.

 

Baer / Goldy - doesn't look like there is much room for them. Maybe Baer gets that 3rd line right wing and Leivo takes the 4th line spot.

 

Goldy seems like he would be gone. Schaller is either the 13th forward or they get rid of him and give that spot to a Utica guy.

Goldobin I can agree might not have a spot on the team come training camp. But Bärtschi? Where does he go? Extra forward? 

 

I'm not convinced that MacEwen makes the roster out of training camp - he would have to be exceptional. I think Leivo might move to the fourth line until Roussel comes back, and either Bärtschi or Goldobin slots into the third or second line. Pearson I can see either plays with Horvat, but he's got enough grit in his game to play on the third line as well. 

 

You think Gaudette goes to Utica to begin the season? 

 

[Kanukfanatic]

6 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

Goldobin I can agree might not have a spot on the team come training camp. But Bärtschi? Where does he go? Extra forward? 

 

I'm not convinced that MacEwen makes the roster out of training camp - he would have to be exceptional. I think Leivo might move to the fourth line until Roussel comes back, and either Bärtschi or Goldobin slots into the third or second line. Pearson I can see either plays with Horvat, but he's got enough grit in his game to play on the third line as well. 

 

You think Gaudette goes to Utica to begin the season? 

 

I do think Gaudette goes to Utica. As many others have said, it seems he needs to get his confidence up a bit at the NHL level and get back to scoring. He would have that chance in Utica playing in all situations. Plus the Canucks no longer have to rush their rookies.

 

While I agree with many Sutter would be a good trade chip, right now he is a much more solid and talented player than Gaudette. He will be able to take much tougher match ups easing the load on Horvat.

 

Gaudette hopefully just needs a bit more seasoning.

[Mathew Barzal]

Still the best player at reading Pettersson off the cycle, a much better fit stylistically than Boeser even IMO. But it's put up or shut up time for this kid, he can't expect to hold a roster spot with his current compete level.

[Nucker 67]

Looks to me like it's between Baertschi and Goldobin for that last Top 6 spot. I can't see the Canucks using either in the bottom 6. And if they did, I would wonder why. They're both skilled players who need to play in offensive sutuations. Doesn't make sense to have Goldobin as a shutdown defensive player or on the PK, for example. The thing that bothers me about Green, is that he'll try Goldy on a line, and as soon as Goldobin makes an error or misreads a play or coughs up the puck, Green switches lines again. He might even bench Goldy the next game (probably because he doesn't make much and can use him as an example). How is he going to get better? They need to get him on one of the top lines and keep him there, let him gel with his line mates, give him a chance to succeed. Goldobin has undeniable skill, and he needs to show that off playing with the best players. He does need improvement with his backchecking and defensive game, so I'm hoping he's worked on that.

 

 

[Kanukfanatic]

Goldy is too soft. I would be fine if they trade him.

 

In fact, I would be fine if they traded Baer at this point to and go with:

 

Ferland  Petey  Boeser

Pearson  Horvat  JT Miller

 

Might want to keep Baer in case Pearson's strong end of the season last year was just smoke and mirrors. Then he could play on the 3rd and Baer could play with Bo.

[kloubek]

On 7/17/2019 at 1:17 PM, aGENT said:

His problem is that he's quickly running out of roster spot opportunities. Unless he can nab the 2nd line W'er spot that's up for grabs beating out both Baer and Pearson....

 

I could see him as 13th F. We've got lots of guys we could call up for bottom 6 roles if we have injuries but we're slim on top 6 guys. It will be up to him though to take advantage of any opportunities he might potentially get in that role.

Agree with your entire post.  I honestly can't see Goldobin starting in the top six which basically makes him - as you say - a 13th forward.  And one really only suited to play if a top six go down as opposed to a bottom six.  

 

But as we all know, we will have an injury problem so I have little doubt he will get an opportunity.  As you say as well - he better make the most of it and show well or he is as good as gone imo. 

 

I believe Benning has placed a higher weight (no pun intended) to heavier guys now so Goldobin is already fighting an uphill battle here too. Green insists on passion and hard play, and here Goldobin has come up short again.  Defensive play?  Please.

 

And though he seems to have generally good offensive IQ and raw scoring talent, I think he will need to blow everyone away with it to stick around. We have all role players. He has to excel in some area to be one of them.

[aGENT]

1 hour ago, kloubek said:

Agree with your entire post.  I honestly can't see Goldobin starting in the top six which basically makes him - as you say - a 13th forward.  And one really only suited to play if a top six go down as opposed to a bottom six.  

 

But as we all know, we will have an injury problem so I have little doubt he will get an opportunity.  As you say as well - he better make the most of it and show well or he is as good as gone imo. 

 

I believe Benning has placed a higher weight (no pun intended) to heavier guys now so Goldobin is already fighting an uphill battle here too. Green insists on passion and hard play, and here Goldobin has come up short again.  Defensive play?  Please.

 

And though he seems to have generally good offensive IQ and raw scoring talent, I think he will need to blow everyone away with it to stick around. We have all role players. He has to excel in some area to be one of them.

Yup. And even his 'defensive play' isn't that big of a concern IMO. Nobody expects or wants to turn him in to Bergeron or 'worse' a defensive specialist like Malhotra was. The whole sentiment is silly IMO.

 

It's his battle/compete/puck pursuit that he needs an uptick in. Doing so would likely also upgrade his 'defensive play' but that's not SPECIFICALLY the problem IMO.

[kloubek]

On 7/24/2019 at 9:59 PM, aGENT said:

Yup. And even his 'defensive play' isn't that big of a concern IMO

 

It's his battle/compete/puck pursuit that he needs an uptick in. Doing so would likely also upgrade his 'defensive play' but that's not SPECIFICALLY the problem IMO.

The latter is clearly the biggest issue with him - I agree. 

 

But I wouldn't be so quick to say defense isn't a specific problem... I think it is. As smart as he is in thinking the scoring play, he is equally poor at reading or considering the resulting rush back when it doesn't work. It's quite odd. And while increased effort would help him recover from some situations better, I still feel he is a defensive liabilty which I think has to be considered when factoring his impact/value.

 

Now, if he puts up big points to cover for the points scored against he causes, then great. I just hope he takes this last opportunity to really put that work in to get himself where he needs to be for the likely limited opportunity he will get to show it.

 

It's really too bad.  I was excited to have him in the prospect pool and actually like the guy. I respect how he has not complained and has kept media comments professional. I was happy to hear we had not given up on him yet and gave him one more opportunity. It would be a total shame to see that skill go to waste.

[aGENT]

7 hours ago, kloubek said:

But I wouldn't be so quick to say defense isn't a specific problem... I think it is. As smart as he is in thinking the scoring play, he is equally poor at reading or considering the resulting rush back when it doesn't work. It's quite odd. And while increased effort would help him recover from some situations better, I still feel he is a defensive liabilty which I think has to be considered when factoring his impact/value.

 

Now, if he puts up big points to cover for the points scored against he causes, then great.

That's my point though, not that his defense isn't necessarily a 'problem' but (while he could certainly continue to improve that facet) that's just his game. And that might be 'ok' if he had more attack/battle/pursuit both it and his offensive and defensive game would improve because of it anyway.

 

It's the main thing holding him back from being an every day NHL player IMO.