TheGuardian_ Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 It is easy to fool many people by saying look at how many cars we have. Look at how many diamonds we have. Look at how many prospects we have. The cars are all Lada's - offering basic comfort and manoeuvrability just enough to get from A to B. The diamonds are all good for nothing but cutting, no gems. The prospects are mostly quite ordinary, no McDavids, Mathews, Laines, Duchenes, Huberdeau or even Horvats, Eberles, RNHs or Forsbergs in the bunch. Having lots is okay and necessary when estimating talent level is difficult, have lots and a few will be NHL players, but not most of them, sure they get a cup of coffee but not scoring roles. The Marlies an AHL team loaded with prospects and were a power house for years but the Maple Laffs were $&!#ty, but they had lots of prospects. In not going after players or initiating trades, waiting for other teams to approach the Nucks this management group is doing less than half their job. Face the facts, this team is destined to be at the bottom, so take assets that still have value and target players that will more than fill a need. Draft picks 1 through 4 make the NHL 85% of the time, and usually are premier players. Gretzky was traded so if enough is offered then any deal can be done. I know the answer fans here would give but, Horvat and three 1rst's for McDavid, Laine, Mathews, Eichel would any do that? And if you say no then you are just a fanatic and aren't interested seeing a winning team or are just trolling. Getting players from the UFA pool hasn't worked here, it just cost tons of money and the team is worse than before. The young players are learning how to lose without getting their knickers in a knot, "don't worry, be happy", this is a losing environment period, if they are adjusting to it then that is a bad thing, a bad thing. Acceptance of losing should not be tolerated. The Sedins are just running out the clock now. The fans now think Grandlund, Baertschi, Menga, Chabot even Sutter are future NHL stars, Sutter is a third line center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Gotta bitch 'bout something, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 So suck for eleven years to draft your top two forward lines, top 4 defense, and a goalie with 1st overall picks. Is that elite enough for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 It's another The Guardian minus collector thread. W.o.t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 If a mod sees this thread, could you possibly do me a solid and let me give out a few more minuses today? I somehow don't feel that negging this guy once is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 What a negative nancy. The glass is half-full, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam126 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I know someone who needs more quality. Because their quantity is negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealFan Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 "McDavids, Mathews, Laines, Duchenes, Huberdeau or even Horvats, Eberles, RNHs or Forsbergs" 3 of these 9 are 1st overall picks. 6 of these 9 are top 3 picks. 1 of these 9 is ours. We haven't picked top 3 since the Sedins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickels Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 We need to get lucky and prob overpay when a 1st line C becomes available. Like a Seguin...even Duschene if not ridiculous. Agree with most who feel we're not in the running for Tavares -God forbid the Leafs free up enough space to combine him w/Matthews for half a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelar Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 1 hour ago, TheGuardian_ said: It is easy to fool many people by saying look at how many cars we have. Look at how many diamonds we have. Look at how many prospects we have. The cars are all Lada's - offering basic comfort and manoeuvrability just enough to get from A to B. The diamonds are all good for nothing but cutting, no gems. The prospects are mostly quite ordinary, no McDavids, Mathews, Laines, Duchenes, Huberdeau or even Horvats, Eberles, RNHs or Forsbergs in the bunch. Having lots is okay and necessary when estimating talent level is difficult, have lots and a few will be MHL players, but not most of them, sure they get a cup of coffee but not scoring roles. The Marlies an AHL team loaded with prospects and were a power house for years but the Maple Laffs were $&!#ty, but they had lots of prospects. In not going after players or initiating trades, waiting for other teams to approach the Nucks this management group is doing less than half their job. Face the facts, this team is destined to be at the bottom, so take assets that still have value and target players that will more than fill a need. Draft picks 1 through 4 make the NHL 85% of the time, and usually are premier players. Gretzky was traded so if enough is offered then any deal can be done. I know the answer fans here would give but, Horvat and a 1rst for McDavid, Laine, Mathews, Eichel would any do that? And if you say no then you are just a fanatic and aren't interested seeing a winning team or are just trolling. Getting players from the UFA pool hasn't worked here, it just cost tons of money and the team is worse than before. The young players are learning how to win without getting their knickers in a knot, "don't worry, be happy", this is a losing environment period, if they are adjusting to it then that is a bad thing, a bad thing. Acceptance of losing should not be tolerated. The Sedins are just running out the clock now. The fans now think Grandlund, Baertschi, Menga, Chabot even Sutter, Sutter is a third line center. I see you are peeing on the electric fence again..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Another beauty thread by @TheGuardian 14 minutes ago, nickels said: We need to get lucky and prob overpay when a 1st line C becomes available. Like a Seguin...even Duschene if not ridiculous. Agree with most who feel we're not in the running for Tavares -God forbid the Leafs free up enough space to combine him w/Matthews for half a decade. 2 Duchene is kinda overrated. At this point I think I would rather keep Bo. And JT is not going to go to Toronto to be a second line Center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickels Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 9 minutes ago, ReggieBush said: Another beauty thread by @TheGuardian Duchene is kinda overrated. At this point I think I would rather keep Bo. And JT is not going to go to Toronto to be a second line Center never said anything about getting rid of Bo....he needs a running mate.at C. Thanks for the Tavares tip...sounds like you have some inside info or know the player personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlinkas wrister Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Wait, we could have had one of McDavid, Laine, Matthews or Eichel for Horvat and a first? Jim Benning deadline fail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 1 hour ago, TheGuardian_ said: In not going after players or initiating trades, waiting for other teams to approach the Nucks this management group is doing less than half their job. Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 35 minutes ago, nickels said: never said anything about getting rid of Bo....he needs a running mate.at C. Thanks for the Tavares tip...sounds like you have some inside info or know the player personally. We can't afford to give up what Colorado is asking for a player that, quite frankly, is overrated. Why would a superstar center in the prime of his career go to a team where he would be second line center? In free agency no less. It doesn't make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 22 minutes ago, goalie13 said: Source? Does himself count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickels Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 1 minute ago, ReggieBush said: We can't afford to give up what Colorado is asking for a player that, quite frankly, is overrated. Why would a superstar center in the prime of his career go to a team where he would be second line center? In free agency no less. It doesn't make any sense. Because its his hometown and would make them a Stanley Cup contender for the 1st time in 1/2 a century. Players aren't always about needing to be the #1 guy...see Kevin Durant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey2 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Wah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 9 minutes ago, nickels said: Because its his hometown and would make them a Stanley Cup contender for the 1st time in 1/2 a century. Players aren't always about needing to be the #1 guy...see Kevin Durant Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 12 hours ago, goalie13 said: 14 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said: In not going after players or initiating trades, waiting for other teams to approach the Nucks this management group is doing less than half their job. Source? Lack of trades. Unless you think this team is set. What does this team need? Have they addressed that need? Getting younger doesn't mean getting better as demonstrated by the standings. What is the BIGGEST need of the Canucks? Finding the replacements for the Sedins. Finding up to 4 top six players. What has been done to fill that need? Eriksson? Vrbata? Sutter? Possibly Boeser if he signs here and his game does translate to the NHL but he still relies a lot on getting passes. The Sedins were and somewhat still are elite level players, the types of players that don't spend 2 or 3 years in the minors. Look at the team today, Horvat is the only legitimate top six prospect. This management group has done nothing in three years to address this need. A need that is desperate if the team is going to be more than just "I hope we are as good as half the league" team, a "hope we make the playoffs" type team for a decade. What good is having players getting used to losing? Or not needing to compete for top six positions? Being satisfied that losing by a goal or getting it to overtime is success? Throwing a bunch of stuff against the wall and hoping some sticks is not a plan. If being young is all it takes then this team should be improving every year since this group got here. It is not JUST being young, it is being young and above average skill. So my source is the fact that the biggest need of this team has not been addressed, a need any idiot can see coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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