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I think we keep Sbisa to be our offering and 'hide' Gaunce behind him in the draft. If we do move another defenceman (allowing us to protect Sbisa) then we could offer a lesser pick to Vegas to keep them from selecting Gaunce if we feel that's a risk. Or we could just let the chips fall and see who they pick with who we have left. Who knows, maybe we re-sign one of our extra forwards (Cramarossa, Chaput, etc.) and they're more attractive to Vegas.

 

I'm a Gaunce fan, but with the group we have, he's the forward just outside the others your protecting.

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12 hours ago, gameburn2 said:

Gaunce is playing incrementally better every game.  No scoring machine, I'll admit, but heading somewhere good.  He has a heavy game that is natural to him, seems impervious to injury, cares about improving his game, can play center or wing, and is starting to make real plays.  Needs to be quicker, needs a little more confidence, but he seems on the verge of breaking out.  Compared to some No trade clause ppl I could mention, he seems to be who we should be protecting for our future.  HOW GOOD IS THIS GUY?  Too good to leave unprotected, or so lame in points we can slip him buy Vegas?

Gaunce is improving.   Sutter's play is declining.

Gaunce is under a value contract while Sutter is marginally  overpaid for a 3 C. 

 

We are building to challenge 3-4 years from now.

 

I know which of the 2    i would  be keeping / protecting. 

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14 hours ago, gameburn2 said:

Gaunce is playing incrementally better every game.  No scoring machine, I'll admit, but heading somewhere good.  He has a heavy game that is natural to him, seems impervious to injury, cares about improving his game, can play center or wing, and is starting to make real plays.  Needs to be quicker, needs a little more confidence, but he seems on the verge of breaking out.  Compared to some No trade clause ppl I could mention, he seems to be who we should be protecting for our future.  HOW GOOD IS THIS GUY?  Too good to leave unprotected, or so lame in points we can slip him buy Vegas?

Disagree, He may be an okay 4th liner, but for a 1st round pick he's been a disappointment to say the least. They kinda guys are a dime a dozen. 

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9 minutes ago, Rocksterh8 said:

Disagree, He may be an okay 4th liner, but for a 1st round pick he's been a disappointment to say the least. They kinda guys are a dime a dozen. 

He's still young.  I see his potential as an outstanding third line center who's game is built for the playoffs.  That's not bad for a late first.

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Just now, King Heffy said:

Different positions so not relevant.  We'll lose Sbisa anyway as Vegas needs to get to the cap floor.

30 players to draft (not 23) and cap hit to be between 44M and 73M.  Upper limit seems more problematic at the expansion draft.

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Gaunce is worth more than Edler so expose Edler and make Vegas feel that Edler is can't miss veterans that they need over Gaunce even if he is exposed.   I never liked Edler for one following reason: he is soft and can be brainfart at times during games which cringed me at a wrong time in a way that I don't feel from other defensemen on this team for years.

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1 hour ago, tas said:

send a 3rd to Vegas and say, hey, take dorsett or biega. 

A 3rd to take dorsett's cap hit off our hands AND save gaunce/sbisa? Sign me up!!! Although I'm sure vegas could claim sbisa and trade him for a 2nd in the "#4 dmen are gold" market that will be after the ED.

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11 hours ago, Warhippy said:

I love Gaunce.  Realky.  Look back at his prospect thread.   Always saw him as the 3rd line center in his prime this team needed from 2008 to 2012

 

But

 

It's one of 2 ways.

 

We trade Sbisa and his cap hit for picks/prospect and lose Gaunce.  Net gain.

 

Or

 

Lose Sbisa for nothing at all over Gaunce 

 

Because I don't see LV not taking a decent young 3-6 defenceman over a prospect with dismal 1st year numbers.

Another option here is a trade with Vegas now that they are eligible for trades. Offering Vegas an additional player like Crammer if they pick Sbisa would be a great use of assets and we could use the cap space, if not for roster players but to potentially take back some salary in a Sedin trade next season. 1040 was freaking out over us only being able to take on 1 more retained salary, but its really not that big a deal. We can easily take back a large expiring salary or two in a Sedin trade and likely would have to anyway to make space for both of them, along with retaining 1/2 the salary for 1 of them. Ensuring Sbisa is picked by Vegas would allow cap space for a move like this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, mll said:

30 players to draft (not 23) and cap hit to be between 44M and 73M.  Upper limit seems more problematic at the expansion draft.

I would imagine that around half  of the picks will be either guys on ELC's or close to minimum wage. 

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9 hours ago, Mathew Barzal said:

Call me crazy but I would keep Gaunce over Baertschi. I don't think Baer's style of play will translate very well to the playoffs. He's a cheap top 6 option now but long term I prefer Gaunce. 

This is a little odd since your username is a player who had 1 point in 3 games when the games mattered at the WJC?

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10 hours ago, Horvats_Big_Head said:

Not Sutter.

 

He is too valuable as a team leader, pk/defensive specialist, face off guy, and he has a nice shot. 

 

I could give two $&!#s about Edler. He was dead to me when he ignored his d partner, proceeded to lazily flip the puck on his backhand out of play. Then he just stands there shrugging his shoulders. He's the biggest dill on the team. His bad qualities have always outweighed his good qualities, even in 2011. 

Lol yes even back then as you said Edler's bad qualities outweighed his good qualities and unfortunately now he pretty much never bring any qualities what's so ever.

 

I agree about Sutter as well we need him moving forward. I think Sutter has been a very good player all around for the Canucks and one of the best as far as I'm concerned. Exposing Sutter would be a stupid idea and one I'm sure thankfully that Benning isn't foolish enough to make.

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3 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Lol

 

Every time you open your mouth to speak on this forum I picture someone pooping out of their mouth looking completely confused as to what's happen with the situation at hand whilst wearing a Leafs jersey.

Dear Typewriter tough guy,

 

How about instead of childish insults you actually tell me why I'm wrong. Thanks in advance!

 

-HBH

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42 minutes ago, The Big Luongo said:

Exposing Sutter would be a stupid idea and one I'm sure thankfully that Benning isn't foolish enough to make.

Yeah, while I'm not a huge fan of his contract, I think exposing Sutter makes very little sense. His "negative value" as an "overpaid replacement level player," as asserted by some (see: Canucks Army and HFBoards), is hugely overstated and an leading example of the most egregious misuse of analytics.

 

I'd keep him around for roster stability through the transition. But if we were to move away from him, I'd do a trade before the expansion draft. Use the potential for exposure as a motivator for him waiving his clause. At least that way we get a return.

 

Potentially losing Sutter for nothing, just to protect Gaunce, isn't good asset management IMO. And I'm someone who is very high on Gaunce.

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5 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Could you imagine the flak Benning would take for giving up a draft pick to keep Gaunce? 

 

Expose Edler and let them have him. The Canucks got 10 years out of a 3rd round pick. 

exactly what I've been saying all along.  Addition by subtraction

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1 hour ago, Horvats_Big_Head said:

Dear Typewriter tough guy,

 

How about instead of childish insults you actually tell me why I'm wrong. Thanks in advance!

 

-HBH

Dear HBK

 

You're wrong because you're literally never right and often have not only the most misguided posts but also the most outlandish ideas.  EA 17 even laughed at you a few times IIRC

 

Case in point.  Your quote here

 

Having said that, I would way rather keep Gaunce and lose Luca for nothing. Teams will be aware of our situation and low ball us for Luca. Not worth it.

 

You'd rather keep gaunce and lose arguably a solid 3-6 Dman in Sbisa for literally nothing because "other teams might lowball us" when 29 other teams will be doing everything they can to secure their future and not lose good players for nothing

 

You're literally suggesting throwing away any possible return to keep Gaunce instead of trying to trade him instead.  Think about that for a minute dear typewriter genius.

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15 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Dear HBK

 

You're wrong because you're literally never right and often have not only the most misguided posts but also the most outlandish ideas.  EA 17 even laughed at you a few times IIRC

 

Case in point.  Your quote here

 

Having said that, I would way rather keep Gaunce and lose Luca for nothing. Teams will be aware of our situation and low ball us for Luca. Not worth it.

 

You'd rather keep gaunce and lose arguably a solid 3-6 Dman in Sbisa for literally nothing because "other teams might lowball us" when 29 other teams will be doing everything they can to secure their future and not lose good players for nothing

 

You're literally suggesting throwing away any possible return to keep Gaunce instead of trying to trade him instead.  Think about that for a minute dear typewriter genius.

Your argument would make logical sense if your premise was correct.

 

We clearly don't have the same opinion as Sbisa. There is no way he is a 3-4 D on a good team. Maybe our team but not a good one. He is good for at least one boneheaded play a game, ala Edler. Yes, he is physical but that is all he brings to the table. Hardly any offense, and is just not good with the puck in general. 

 

Yes I am saying let Sbisa walk so we can keep Gaunce. Essentially, I am saying trade Sbisa for the right to keep Gaunce.

 

You want to trade Sbisa while knowing that Gaunce is likely the odd man out. So you are saying trade Sbisa for pennies (Probably a 4th rounder) and let risk letting Gaunce go.

 

To summarize:

My idea: Give Sbisa up for Gaunce retention.

Your idea: Get a draft pick for Luca and still not protect Gaunce, losing him. 

 

Remind me who EA17 is laughing at?

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