Rick Blight Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 44 minutes ago, Alflives said: Could Granlund and be Top six forwards on Cup level teams? Can players like Jake Guentzel, Conor Sheary and Bryan Rust be top 6 players on a Cup level team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 26 minutes ago, CeeBee51 said: Is Minny's Granny a first liner? Our Granny might turn out to be better than his brother. Time will tell but he's closing the gap IMO. He plays on their 2nd line, with Koivu at C and Zucker on the other wing, but it's their most productive line despite being their shutdown line. Staal is their C1 but he's played with a lot of different wingers while the Koivu line has stayed intact since late November. Mikael is so creative. Moving to wing under Torchetti and playing with Koivu helped his game. It allowed him to be more the playmaker because Koivu is so solid defensively and gets him the puck. Before playing at C he didn't have the puck as much because Parise is a puck hog and Granlund is defence first. I think sometimes it's just about having the right linemates and role and players can take off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeBee51 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Just now, mll said: He plays on their 2nd line, with Koivu at C and Zucker on the other wing, but it's their most productive line despite being their shutdown line. Staal is their C1 but he's played with a lot of different wingers while the Koivu line has stayed intact since late November. Mikael is so creative. Moving to wing under Torchetti and playing with Koivu helped his game. It allowed him to be more the playmaker because Koivu is so solid defensively and gets him the puck. Before playing at C he didn't have the puck as much because Parise is a puck hog and Granlund is defence first. I think sometimes it's just about having the right linemates and role and players can take off. thanks mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glory_Days Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 For Bear-Cheese. I think he could develop into a nice complimentary 2nd line winger. He wouldn't be the driving force of the line, but he wouldn't be a detriment either. Granlund, too early to tell. He has nice numbers and looks good, but is also playing with Sedins, who granted, are not the players they were a few years ago...is still a coushy assignment where you're going to point up good numbers. NHL'er for sure, top six? I unno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, TimberWolf said: They remind me of younger versions of Raymond and Higgins. Not bad, decent complimentary and would be great if we had the depth to make them line three players. Decent comparison. It never works completely in direct lineage; both are more puck skilled and seem to have more gusto, more smarts making plays. This bodes well. Than either Higgins or Raymond. Raymond who offered more speed than most could hope for. Higgins solid, but ultimately survived (and ultimately failed) on a fantastic work rate checking, in board battles. Was 15 lbs heavier to support this. This Higgins component, the work rate quotient, is being coached into our two as we speak though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rick Blight said: Can players like Jake Guentzel, Conor Sheary and Bryan Rust be top 6 players on a Cup level team? Do we have Crosby and Malkin? BJ Macdonald was top six with 99. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Just now, Alflives said: Do we have Crosby and Malkin? BJ Macdonald was top six with 99. That wasn't your question. Both are capable of being top 6 on a Cup contending team depending on the surrounding pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glory_Days Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Do we have Crosby and Malkin? BJ Macdonald was top six with 99. Could also throw Patrick Maroon in there, getting to play on McDavid's wing. Once we get a generational center, or a top 5-10 center in the world, we can throw near anybody on their wing and they will produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Imho, their development will depend a lot on the new coach and the style he'll demand and his patience with their development. In so many ways, they complement Bo: none of them came with the elite-separating talent and who have been written off by some people (yes, Bo as well with his skating and offense), but they've managed to keep growing and growing (maybe because they felt that this was their last chance). Virtanen is a lot more talented than them, but he's another (unfinished) story. Will Goldie or Boeser or Virtanen or Dahlen surpass them? Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rick Blight said: That wasn't your question. Both are capable of being top 6 on a Cup contending team depending on the surrounding pieces. If that's the case, we better pay them like those Penguin players, because their linemates will be earning huge money. This is a Cap era. If Baer and Granlund are paid bigger dollars, then they will not be on a Cup team's top six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Just now, Alflives said: If that's the case, we better pay them like those Penguin players, because their linemates will be earning huge money. This is a Cap era. If Baer and Granlund are paid bigger dollars, then they will not be on a Cup team's top six. Have you seen the money Baertschi and Granlund make? By the way B.J. Mac Donald was never a top 6 player on a Cup contending team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 I can see Granny staying in the top 6 over Baer, not to knock Bear at all but Granny is really becoming good at finding ways to get the puck on net and to me anyway seems to be progressing into a really smart player. Baer could score 15-20 on the 3rd line with a better puck moving C than Sutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 I think it's fair to think that as our young defence improves its ability to defend and transition, their numbers could rise significantly. It doesn't always work out like that, but these two aren't exactly cheating to get their points either - two of the better fancy stats guys on the team IIRC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, Alflives said: Do we have Crosby and Malkin? No, but we may have a Kopitar in Bo, we'll see, and may draft a Carter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJVD Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Either of them could have been a fixtures on Kesler's revolving door of Tambo/Raymond/Samualsson/Hansen/etc wing. So yeah, they could be second liners on a good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Aquamen Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 17 minutes ago, Alflives said: Do we have Crosby and Malkin? BJ Macdonald was top six with 99. These guys don't know Alf, Aquamen is celebrating the birthday today ;). RED Mile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 9 minutes ago, Rick Blight said: Have you seen the money Baertschi and Granlund make? By the way B.J. Mac Donald was never a top 6 player on a Cup contending team. How did he score 50 if not with the Great One? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: No, but we may have a Kopitar in Bo, we'll see, and may draft a Carter. Love to get Patrick. He sounds like a Getzlaf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, The Aquamen said: These guys don't know Alf, Aquamen is celebrating the birthday today ;). RED Mile Do girls still do what they used to do in the 80's there, when the Flames were hot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Alflives said: How did he score 50 if not with the Great One? He did, but the Oilers were not Cup contenders. The Oilers were a sub .500 team for the two years they were together on the Oilers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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