morrissex95 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Threadsetter1 said: I agree, I wish we traded down a few spots to get an asset and draft jost last year. He is so dynamic and was arguably canada's best forward at the world juniors aside from barzal. Also that Boeser - Jost chemistry could be deadly. Colorado isn't a good trading partner for us. They're going to build around Jost and MacKinnon. Tanev is worth Jost alone without Sutter. Jost has proven nothing at the NHL level. When he does, get back to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 4 hours ago, TheHitman said: BUF wasn't able to get Shattenkirk at the TDL and they will somehow get him during free agency? BUF isn't an attractive free agent landing spot for top tier defensemen. If Reinhart is that good, would you consider Bo a number 1 centerman, because thus far Bo has outperformed Reinhart in every aspect of the game with worse line mates. My 2 cents worth... I don't believe Reinhart will be better than Bo, but I think we have to find a complementary centre to Bo for our Top 6. I dont think we can hope to win lotteries (chance is too low), nor can we rely on our prospect pool (right now only Gaudette projects as a possible 1/2C). We need to improve our chances of getting a true 1/2C by attacking on all fronts. We all talk about taking the BPA...I believe Reinhart is the best player available via trade for this crucial role in our team. Is he Bo? Nope But he is young, has tremendous potential, shoots right, is a local kid, not small, is currently on a team that can afford to trade him, and we might just have the assets to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 number 2 is the best but we would have to thrown in something else The leafs if they make the playoffs will know they need D help and this could be the chance we have to get a future 1st liner for Tanev who seems to be a top 3 defensive D man but for us gets hurt to much so the time to trade him would be NOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadsetter1 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, morrissex95 said: Colorado isn't a good trading partner for us. They're going to build around Jost and MacKinnon. Tanev is worth Jost alone without Sutter. Jost has proven nothing at the NHL level. When he does, get back to me. I think you misread what I'm saying. Im just a Jost enthusiast. I think trading down from 5-9 or 10 to get him would have been a good option for us last year. As for trading tanev for him I Have to disagree, for now at least, just too big of a risk. Tanev is proven Jost is not. But he is at one of the best development programs and has all the tools to be a dynamic top 6 forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scheif16 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 To Jets: Tanev + Sutter To Canucks: Mark Scheifele I would love that move. Then pick a winger in the 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Tanev straight up for Jesse Puljujärvi and Ference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 13 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: Tanev straight up for Jesse Puljujärvi and Ference. Ference is retired and his cap comes off the books in 4 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Ference is retired and his cap comes off the books in 4 months. Oh ya, I was thinking of TDL day, Straight up then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrissex95 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 5 hours ago, scheif16 said: To Jets: Tanev + Sutter To Canucks: Mark Scheifele I would love that move. Then pick a winger in the 1st round. Winnipeg doesn't need to make this trade. Chevy laughs and hangs up. Terrible proposal for Winnipeg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blömqvist Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 15 hours ago, BigTramFan said: My 2 cents worth... I don't believe Reinhart will be better than Bo, but I think we have to find a complementary centre to Bo for our Top 6. I dont think we can hope to win lotteries (chance is too low), nor can we rely on our prospect pool (right now only Gaudette projects as a possible 1/2C). We need to improve our chances of getting a true 1/2C by attacking on all fronts. We all talk about taking the BPA...I believe Reinhart is the best player available via trade for this crucial role in our team. Is he Bo? Nope But he is young, has tremendous potential, shoots right, is a local kid, not small, is currently on a team that can afford to trade him, and we might just have the assets to get him. BUF: Tanev and Virtanen VAN: Reinhart At it's core it looks like.. BUF: Tanev and 6th overall pick (2014) VAN: 2nd overall pick (2014) Then do we draft Liljegren with our 1st or take the best available forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHitman Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Blömqvist said: BUF: Tanev and Virtanen VAN: Reinhart At it's core it looks like.. BUF: Tanev and 6th overall pick (2014) VAN: 2nd overall pick (2014) Then do we draft Liljegren with our 1st or take the best available forward? In that case we'd probably draft Tippett IMO. Upgrade over Virtanen and does similar things better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 6 hours ago, Blömqvist said: BUF: Tanev and Virtanen VAN: Reinhart At it's core it looks like.. BUF: Tanev and 6th overall pick (2014) VAN: 2nd overall pick (2014) Then do we draft Liljegren with our 1st or take the best available forward? Well again we take the BPA at our draft position! But what position will that be?! There is very little chance we are picking Top 3 because of the lottery odds (even if we finish 2nd last there's only a 33% chance we pick in top 3). But supposing we DO win a top pick then we gotta take a Patrick or Hischier. Even though we might have already traded to get Reinhart. Again, Reinhart/Patrick/Hischier are not guaranteed to be 1/2C but it increases our future chances of having 2 elite centres. If we end up with 3 top young centres then that is not a bad thing. It gives us lots of options to balance 3 scoring lines, use as wings, provide quality depth, or maybe trade for a pressing need at a time when we are a contender! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blömqvist Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 6 hours ago, Blömqvist said: BUF: Tanev and Virtanen VAN: Reinhart At it's core it looks like.. BUF: Tanev and 6th overall pick (2014) VAN: 2nd overall pick (2014) Then do we draft Liljegren with our 1st or take the best available forward? 4 hours ago, TheHitman said: In that case we'd probably draft Tippett IMO. Upgrade over Virtanen and does similar things better. 4 minutes ago, BigTramFan said: Well again we take the BPA at our draft position! But what position will that be?! There is very little chance we are picking Top 3 because of the lottery odds (even if we finish 2nd last there's only a 33% chance we pick in top 3). But supposing we DO win a top pick then we gotta take a Patrick or Hischier. Even though we might have already traded to get Reinhart. Again, Reinhart/Patrick/Hischier are not guaranteed to be 1/2C but it increases our future chances of having 2 elite centres. If we end up with 3 top young centres then that is not a bad thing. It gives us lots of options to balance 3 scoring lines, use as wings, provide quality depth, or maybe trade for a pressing need at a time when we are a contender! Both options look pretty good. Obviously it'd be better to draft Patrick/Hischier than it is for us to draft Tippett but both leave us with a very good top-6 group: Goldobin - Reinhart - Tippett Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser or Goldobin - Patrick/Hischier - Reinhart Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser with Granlund, Gaudette, Dahlen, Sutter, Lockwood as top-9/depth Juolevi - Tryamkin Hutton - Gudbranson with Stecher, Brisebois, McEneny, Subban as top-6/depth ANYWAYS...how does that deal look though? Not enough value on our side? Not something that Buffalo would take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 35 minutes ago, Blömqvist said: Both options look pretty good. Obviously it'd be better to draft Patrick/Hischier than it is for us to draft Tippett but both leave us with a very good top-6 group: Goldobin - Reinhart - Tippett Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser or Goldobin - Patrick/Hischier - Reinhart Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser with Granlund, Gaudette, Dahlen, Sutter, Lockwood as top-9/depth Juolevi - Tryamkin Hutton - Gudbranson with Stecher, Brisebois, McEneny, Subban as top-6/depth ANYWAYS...how does that deal look though? Not enough value on our side? Not something that Buffalo would take? You're asking if the deal is fair: To BUF: Tanev + Virtanen To VAN: Reinhart I just don't think that Virtanen has shown enough potential for BUF to accept this deal. If we were still in 2014/2015 then BUF probably go for it cuz they hope Virt will live up to his potential as a 6th overall pick. But his slow development will put uncertainty in the minds of BUF. I think we would have to add either a Baer or Granny or 2nd round pick to Tanev in order for BUF to give us Reinhart. IMO that would be worth it. Even though I really don't want to lose one of those guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 All awful deals for the team that is not Vancouver. All say no. But none of those deals hold a candle to how bad this is: 16 hours ago, scheif16 said: To Jets: Tanev + Sutter To Canucks: Mark Scheifele Scheifele is 6th in points this year, over a PPG, and has quickly turned into an elite number 1 center. He also just signed an extension. Oh yeah, not to mention that Tanev is not needed by them (RHD include: Buff, Trouba, Myers, Poolman). And Adam Lowry already does what Sutter does, but at a fraction of the cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHitman Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 19 hours ago, Blömqvist said: Both options look pretty good. Obviously it'd be better to draft Patrick/Hischier than it is for us to draft Tippett but both leave us with a very good top-6 group: Goldobin - Reinhart - Tippett Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser or Goldobin - Patrick/Hischier - Reinhart Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser with Granlund, Gaudette, Dahlen, Sutter, Lockwood as top-9/depth Juolevi - Tryamkin Hutton - Gudbranson with Stecher, Brisebois, McEneny, Subban as top-6/depth ANYWAYS...how does that deal look though? Not enough value on our side? Not something that Buffalo would take? BUF receives what they need in that deal and they come away with potentially a lot more value so probably worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 18 hours ago, BigTramFan said: You're asking if the deal is fair: To BUF: Tanev + Virtanen To VAN: Reinhart I just don't think that Virtanen has shown enough potential for BUF to accept this deal. If we were still in 2014/2015 then BUF probably go for it cuz they hope Virt will live up to his potential as a 6th overall pick. But his slow development will put uncertainty in the minds of BUF. I think we would have to add either a Baer or Granny or 2nd round pick to Tanev in order for BUF to give us Reinhart. IMO that would be worth it. Even though I really don't want to lose one of those guys! Excellent trade for both teams. We give up a bit too much, so a pick (second?) coming back with Reinhart would balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 BUF: Tanev and Virtanen VAN: Reinhart At it's core it looks like.. BUF: Tanev and 6th overall pick (2014) VAN: 2nd overall pick (2014) Then do we draft Liljegren with our 1st or take the best available forward? Both options look pretty good. Obviously it'd be better to draft Patrick/Hischier than it is for us to draft Tippett but both leave us with a very good top-6 group: Goldobin - Reinhart - Tippett Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser or Goldobin - Patrick/Hischier - Reinhart Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser with Granlund, Gaudette, Dahlen, Sutter, Lockwood as top-9/depth Juolevi - Tryamkin Hutton - Gudbranson with Stecher, Brisebois, McEneny, Subban as top-6/depth ANYWAYS...how does that deal look though? Not enough value on our side? Not something that Buffalo would take? Sorry I don't think Tanev and Virtanen gets you Reinhart I'd say.......... Tanev, and one of Granlund, Baertschi or Gaudette for Reinhart+ 2017 3rd ...............gets it done If Buffalo takes Guadette (heavy cost!)................our lines look like this Goldobin - Reinhart - Tippett/Dahlen Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser Granlund - Sutter - Virtanen/Eriksson or Goldobin - Patrick/Hischier - Reinhart Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser Granlund - Sutter - Virtanen/Dahlen/Eriksson But realistically , we don't get the #1 or #2 seed, and I have seen Tippett up as high as #3, sooooo, we better have a back up plan for that 1st line RW Then again, we need not rush this, as there is still the 2018 draft......... I am pretty good with the idea! And let's please remember we have Eriksson for the next 5 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 42 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: BUF: Tanev and Virtanen VAN: Reinhart At it's core it looks like.. BUF: Tanev and 6th overall pick (2014) VAN: 2nd overall pick (2014) Then do we draft Liljegren with our 1st or take the best available forward? Both options look pretty good. Obviously it'd be better to draft Patrick/Hischier than it is for us to draft Tippett but both leave us with a very good top-6 group: Goldobin - Reinhart - Tippett Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser or Goldobin - Patrick/Hischier - Reinhart Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser with Granlund, Gaudette, Dahlen, Sutter, Lockwood as top-9/depth Juolevi - Tryamkin Hutton - Gudbranson with Stecher, Brisebois, McEneny, Subban as top-6/depth ANYWAYS...how does that deal look though? Not enough value on our side? Not something that Buffalo would take? Sorry I don't think Tanev and Virtanen gets you Reinhart I'd say.......... Tanev, and one of Granlund, Baertschi or Gaudette for Reinhart+ 2017 3rd ...............gets it done If Buffalo takes Guadette (heavy cost!)................our lines look like this Goldobin - Reinhart - Tippett/Dahlen Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser Granlund - Sutter - Virtanen/Eriksson or Goldobin - Patrick/Hischier - Reinhart Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser Granlund - Sutter - Virtanen/Dahlen/Eriksson But realistically , we don't get the #1 or #2 seed, and I have seen Tippett up as high as #3, sooooo, we better have a back up plan for that 1st line RW Then again, we need not rush this, as there is still the 2018 draft......... I am pretty good with the idea! And let's please remember we have Eriksson for the next 5 years Yeah agree that we don't need to worry about 1RW at this stage. If we have the necessary pieces to be a contender then a serviceable 1RW could come from any number of places, eg. Eriksson, Boeser, Granlund, Lockwood, Reinhart (if another 1/2C pans out), Virtanen, or just fill the spot via FA when we are in a better position to contend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 4 hours ago, Alflives said: Excellent trade for both teams. We give up a bit too much, so a pick (second?) coming back with Reinhart would balance. Sorry Alf, are you saying Tanev + Virtanen is excellent deal for Reinhart + 2nd? Or Tanev + Granlund/Baer? Either way I think JB should leap, but just wanted to clarify... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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