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Let me preface this trade by pointing out a few recent moments in Canuck history where management failed to act in time for the organization's best interests. 

 

#1. Before the 2011 Cup Run the Vancouver Canucks had arguably the best goalie in the league in Roberto Luongo and another very good goalie prospect in Cory Schneider. Schneider spent time in the NCAA and AHL honing his craft, and when he made the big club he was able to refine his game under the tutelage of Luongo and goalie coach Rollie Melanson. Schneider was ready to be a full-time goaltender. 
 
Then general manager Mike Gillis made a few trades on Trade Deadline 2011 to acquire forwards Max Lapierre and Chris Higgins, both of whom played key parts in the run to the finals later on that year. The team had depth in all three positions at forward, defense, and goaltending. What would have put the Canucks over the top was to trade the budding Schneider and possibly blue chip prospect Cody Hodgson for a 1st line impact forward. There was speculation -- mostly from fans -- that Philadelphia's Jeff Carter would have been a good fit for the Canucks and Schneider being a good fit for the Flyers' goaltending, but instead management decided to hold on to both Schneider and Hodgson. The Canucks then went on to and lost in Stanley Cup Finals to the Boston Bruins, scoring just 8 goals in 7 games.

That offseason, Philadelphia traded Jeff Carter to Columbus and Mike Richards to Los Angeles and signed UFA goalie Ilya Bryzgalov. The moves to bring in Bryzgalov became a gigantic flop, and the Flyers bought him out a few seasons after.

The following year at the trade deadline management traded Hodgson for Zack Kassian in a surprise move that shook the hockey community. Then at the 2013 NHL Draft management traded Schneider for the pick that became current Canuck Bo Horvat. Had management traded Schneider and possibly Hodgson for an impact forward like Jeff Carter would we have won the Stanley Cup that year with his extra scoring? We would definitely not have had Horvat, but what if we had our team's first Cup?
 

#2. In the summer of 2013 there were rumours that defenseman Alex Edler was on the trade block and that the Detroit Red Wings were interested in his services. The Canucks were transitioning out of the Vigneault-era and were just about to start the short-lived Tortorella era. Change was coming. Edler signed an extension to his previous contract, which now -- in addition to the pay raise -- included a full NTC that would come into effect July 1, 2013. The Canucks had an outrageous price for Edler: three or four pieces and one of those pieces had to be a 1st round pick. Detroit at the time had an excess in young forwards and had a need for a top defenseman. Had management not been outrageous with their asking price, it could be that the Canucks have Tatar or Nyquist along with Mantha on the roster today.
 

 

 

Current Canuck defenseman Chris Tanev has a modified NTC coming into effect this offseason, starting July 1, 2017 where he can submit a list of 8 teams where he can not be traded to. Tanev's high value as a premier shot suppressor and shutdown defenseman can bring in a very good return for this Canuck rebuild. With the expansion draft looming, the Canucks are looking like they will be losing a defenseman -- likely Luca Sbisa. Now Sbisa has improved his game and is a quality top-4 defensive defenseman. I propose that, instead of losing Sbisa to expansion, we protect him and trade Tanev for assets (plural) before his NTC kicks in. By trading Tanev to Toronto, the Canucks can get both quality and quantity of assets for the rebuild.

 

TOR: Tanev

VAN: Kapanen and a 1st Round Pick (likely between picks 16-20, assuming the Leafs make the playoffs)

 

Then at the 2017 NHL Entry Draft:

- With our 1st round pick select the best available centre (Patrick/Hischier/Vilardi/Mittelstadt/Glass/Pettersson)

- Trade the TOR 1st and CLB 2nd to move up and select defenseman Callan Foote

- With our 2nd round pick select goaltender Jake Oettinger

 

 

The Canucks get a lottery ticket in Kasperi Kapanen, who at the age of 20 and in his second AHL season has 43 points in 43 games. Kapanen was a highly rated Euro prospect in his draft year. Good hockey IQ, good vision, good playmaking ability, good shot, and a very fast skater. He's been used on the PK and late in games defending leads this season in the AHL, which speaks to him developing his defensive game and becoming a more complete player. Potential top-6 scoring winger down the road.

The Canucks also draft a right-handed defenseman in Callan Foote using the TOR 1st and the CLB 2nd to move up. A two-way defenseman with size, Foote put up 57 points in 71 games in the WHL. He has pedigree from his father and most importantly according to scouts he has "outstanding hockey sense" and already plays a consistent game as an 18 year old. Potential top-4 defenseman or better. Plus imagine having Foote, Tryamkin, and Gudbranson patrolling our blueline... oh and Foote plays for the Kelowna Rockets. If there's an unwritten rule in drafting it's to select forwards from London and defensemen from Kelowna.

With their 2nd round pick, the Canucks draft goaltender Jake Oettinger. A big goalie standing 6'4" and weighing 205 lbs, Oettinger is the starting goaltender for Boston University in the NCAA (Keller, McAvaoy, and Fabbro's team) and in 35 games he has a 2.11 GAA and 0.927 SV%. It's always good to have depth between the pipes and Oettinger could potentially be a more than capable starter down the road.

Lastly, and most importantly, the Canucks draft their future #1C or #2C in "whoever the heck is available at our pick lol"

 

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Why trade a 27 year old dman away. That would be like trading the Sedins or Burrows away in 2008. Tanev is about to enter his prime and could be one of the most elite shutdown dmen in the league. Never gonna happen. Tanev is going to be part of the core going forward, period.

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Foote + Kapanen for Tanev + 2nd(CLB) 

 

I think Toronto fans would be happy with that package. I'd be reluctant. We've just picked up a ton of top 6 wing prospects this deadline and we have our top line RW in Boeser already. It doesn't seem like smart asset management to use a prized RHD for a position that we have decently filled up in our prospect pool.

 

I think it'd also be interesting to follow Foote over the next couple of years. There's something about him I don't like. Not to mention I haven't been impressed with the latest crop of blueliners from Kelowna. He would still be a solid pick though. Just don't think giving up Tanev for a chance at Foote is a good idea.

 

Oettinger I reckon wont be around when we pick in the second round. If he is then I too hope we grab him. 

 

I'm not opposed to the trade. I personally would rather we didn't trade with Toronto. I am opposed to moving up for Foote. There's a chance he would be available for Toronto's pick. 

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1 hour ago, DonaldBrashear said:

Why trade a 27 year old dman away. That would be like trading the Sedins or Burrows away in 2008. Tanev is about to enter his prime and could be one of the most elite shutdown dmen in the league. Never gonna happen. Tanev is going to be part of the core going forward, period.

Because what good is an individual player entering their prime, when the team as a whole will be on the downswing for the next 2 years minimum?

 

Yes Tanev will be 27, but he'll be 29 by that time, and probably closer to 32 by the time we are perennial contenders to at least get out of the second round, if not older. 

 

I understand they need one veteran on defence, but Edler isn't waiving anywhere and Gudbransson should only get better, this is about maximizing return before you're trying to trade a declining player because you were hesitant to pull the trigger when you could. 

 

That being said, it feels like Hutton will be the one traded, not Tanev

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If we want to maximize a return then they should consider trading Tanev because of the fact that his NTC kicks in next season.

 

If they decided to move him they'd have to do it early in the off-season to get the most.

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I'd rather trade Edler but if he wont waive, I'd be able to accept losing Tanev for a pick. Hopefully Guddy steps ul and Sbisa continues improving. Maybe even a bounceback year for Edler. And if not, we'll suck and get a high pick :D

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5 hours ago, Blömqvist said:

Let me preface this trade by pointing out a few recent moments in Canuck history where management failed to act in time for the organization's best interests. 

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#1. Before the 2011 Cup Run the Vancouver Canucks had arguably the best goalie in the league in Roberto Luongo and another very good goalie prospect in Cory Schneider. Schneider spent time in the NCAA and AHL honing his craft, and when he made the big club he was able to refine his game under the tutelage of Luongo and goalie coach Rollie Melanson. Schneider was ready to be a full-time goaltender. 
 
Then general manager Mike Gillis made a few trades on Trade Deadline 2011 to acquire forwards Max Lapierre and Chris Higgins, both of whom played key parts in the run to the finals later on that year. The team had depth in all three positions at forward, defense, and goaltending. What would have put the Canucks over the top was to trade the budding Schneider and possibly blue chip prospect Cody Hodgson for a 1st line impact forward. There was speculation -- mostly from fans -- that Philadelphia's Jeff Carter would have been a good fit for the Canucks and Schneider being a good fit for the Flyers' goaltending, but instead management decided to hold on to both Schneider and Hodgson. The Canucks then went on to and lost in Stanley Cup Finals to the Boston Bruins, scoring just 8 goals in 7 games.

That offseason, Philadelphia traded Jeff Carter to Columbus and Mike Richards to Los Angeles and signed UFA goalie Ilya Bryzgalov. The moves to bring in Bryzgalov became a gigantic flop, and the Flyers bought him out a few seasons after.

The following year at the trade deadline management traded Hodgson for Zack Kassian in a surprise move that shook the hockey community. Then at the 2013 NHL Draft management traded Schneider for the pick that became current Canuck Bo Horvat. Had management traded Schneider and possibly Hodgson for an impact forward like Jeff Carter would we have won the Stanley Cup that year with his extra scoring? We would definitely not have had Horvat, but what if we had our team's first Cup?
 

#2. In the summer of 2013 there were rumours that defenseman Alex Edler was on the trade block and that the Detroit Red Wings were interested in his services. The Canucks were transitioning out of the Vigneault-era and were just about to start the short-lived Tortorella era. Change was coming. Edler signed an extension to his previous contract, which now -- in addition to the pay raise -- included a full NTC that would come into effect July 1, 2013. The Canucks had an outrageous price for Edler: three or four pieces and one of those pieces had to be a 1st round pick. Detroit at the time had an excess in young forwards and had a need for a top defenseman. Had management not been outrageous with their asking price, it could be that the Canucks have Tatar or Nyquist along with Mantha on the roster today.
 

 

 

Current Canuck defenseman Chris Tanev has a modified NTC coming into effect this offseason, starting July 1, 2017 where he can submit a list of 8 teams where he can not be traded to. Tanev's high value as a premier shot suppressor and shutdown defenseman can bring in a very good return for this Canuck rebuild. With the expansion draft looming, the Canucks are looking like they will be losing a defenseman -- likely Luca Sbisa. Now Sbisa has improved his game and is a quality top-4 defensive defenseman. I propose that, instead of losing Sbisa to expansion, we protect him and trade Tanev for assets (plural) before his NTC kicks in. By trading Tanev to Toronto, the Canucks can get both quality and quantity of assets for the rebuild.

 

TOR: Tanev

VAN: Kapanen and a 1st Round Pick (likely between picks 16-20, assuming the Leafs make the playoffs)

 

Then at the 2017 NHL Entry Draft:

- With our 1st round pick select the best available centre (Patrick/Hischier/Vilardi/Mittelstadt/Glass/Pettersson)

- Trade the TOR 1st and CLB 2nd to move up and select defenseman Callan Foote

- With our 2nd round pick select goaltender Jake Oettinger

 

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The Canucks get a lottery ticket in Kasperi Kapanen, who at the age of 20 and in his second AHL season has 43 points in 43 games. Kapanen was a highly rated Euro prospect in his draft year. Good hockey IQ, good vision, good playmaking ability, good shot, and a very fast skater. He's been used on the PK and late in games defending leads this season in the AHL, which speaks to him developing his defensive game and becoming a more complete player. Potential top-6 scoring winger down the road.

The Canucks also draft a right-handed defenseman in Callan Foote using the TOR 1st and the CLB 2nd to move up. A two-way defenseman with size, Foote put up 57 points in 71 games in the WHL. He has pedigree from his father and most importantly according to scouts he has "outstanding hockey sense" and already plays a consistent game as an 18 year old. Potential top-4 defenseman or better. Plus imagine having Foote, Tryamkin, and Gudbranson patrolling our blueline... oh and Foote plays for the Kelowna Rockets. If there's an unwritten rule in drafting it's to select forwards from London and defensemen from Kelowna.

With their 2nd round pick, the Canucks draft goaltender Jake Oettinger. A big goalie standing 6'4" and weighing 205 lbs, Oettinger is the starting goaltender for Boston University in the NCAA (Keller, McAvaoy, and Fabbro's team) and in 35 games he has a 2.11 GAA and 0.927 SV%. It's always good to have depth between the pipes and Oettinger could potentially be a more than capable starter down the road.

Lastly, and most importantly, the Canucks draft their future #1C or #2C in "whoever the heck is available at our pick lol"

 

Why do the Canucks draft a goalie? Demko not good enough? Sbisa isn't consistent enough as a D-man to keep, just like Edler. I'd rather hold on to Tanev. He can still submit a list of teams later on. Might be tougher to trade him, but not impossible. I don't mind the idea of drafting Foote. But a mid first and a second rounder I doubt will get the Canucks a draft pick high enough to get him. 

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17 minutes ago, hanzolo said:

I'd rather trade Edler but if he wont waive, I'd be able to accept losing Tanev for a pick. Hopefully Guddy steps ul and Sbisa continues improving. Maybe even a bounceback year for Edler. And if not, we'll suck and get a high pick :D

The Canucks have a hammer this offseason. It's called the expansion draft. If Edler refuses to waive, say it's either a list of teams, or Vegas, his call. A simple discussion with him saying the team is going in a different direction, and they'd rather see his input on where he goes. I'm pretty sure he'd come up with a list pretty fast. 

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Tanev already has a LOT of hard miles on his body and continues to get physically punished on a nightly basis when the team invariably gets pinned in their own zone for extended periods of time.   How many more injuries are going to put him out for lengthy stretches of multiple weeks or so?  Guys a competitor no doubt,  but it's taking a toll on him. 

 

JB I'm sure will pursue any and all efforts to improve this club which includes listening to offers for this player.   Not sure a draft pick in a weaker overall draft year is maximizing return however.   

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No. If we move Tanev to Toronto, I want Marner back. Nothing less, we don't settle when moving a top pairing dman

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12 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Why do the Canucks draft a goalie? Demko not good enough? Sbisa isn't consistent enough as a D-man to keep, just like Edler. I'd rather hold on to Tanev. He can still submit a list of teams later on. Might be tougher to trade him, but not impossible. I don't mind the idea of drafting Foote. But a mid first and a second rounder I doubt will get the Canucks a draft pick high enough to get him. 

Because we only have Demko and Garteig in the system. You need at least 2-3 goalies with good potential. Those two are a good start, but we need 1-2 more. 

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Just now, Pears said:

Because we only have Demko and Garteig in the system. You need at least 2-3 goalies with good potential. Those two are a good start, but we need 1-2 more. 

When did Markstrom disappear? 

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8 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

The Canucks have a hammer this offseason. It's called the expansion draft. If Edler refuses to waive, say it's either a list of teams, or Vegas, his call. A simple discussion with him saying the team is going in a different direction, and they'd rather see his input on where he goes. I'm pretty sure he'd come up with a list pretty fast. 

I don't get it,  Edler holds the hammer with his NTC,  no?  Or are you saying JB just bullies him out of town? 

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11 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

I don't get it,  Edler holds the hammer with his NTC,  no?  Or are you saying JB just bullies him out of town? 

It's an NTC not NMC my understanding is he can exposed. It's not bullied. The team is rebuilding, it's giving him a chance to choose where he wants to go, instead of taking the risk of being picked up by Vegas. Burrows and Hansen were team guys, and they were willing to move. Things have changed since 2013. 

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47 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

When did Markstrom disappear? 

He didn't. But in order to have a good future everyone knows you need good depth at the goaltending position. We can't rely on only 3 goalies for the next decade+. 

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2 hours ago, DonaldBrashear said:

Why trade a 27 year old dman away. That would be like trading the Sedins or Burrows away in 2008. Tanev is about to enter his prime and could be one of the most elite shutdown dmen in the league. Never gonna happen. Tanev is going to be part of the core going forward, period.

2 reasons.  And a half

 

1.  By the time we're ready to compete again Tanev is on the wrong side of 30 and is now showing signs of frequent battering/injury.  Is not physical or putting up points and while solid will need a newer contract roughly the same time our most productive forwards and younger D will need contracts.  Not worth keeping that kind of risk when there are better cheaper options for us in house

 

2.  His NTC kicks in this year, might as well dangle him

 

2.5.  Callan Foote is a 6 foot 4 2016 pound defenceman that can skate damned well

1 hour ago, Brobidus said:

Foote + Kapanen for Tanev + 2nd(CLB) 

 

I think Toronto fans would be happy with that package. I'd be reluctant. We've just picked up a ton of top 6 wing prospects this deadline and we have our top line RW in Boeser already. It doesn't seem like smart asset management to use a prized RHD for a position that we have decently filled up in our prospect pool.

 

I think it'd also be interesting to follow Foote over the next couple of years. There's something about him I don't like. Not to mention I haven't been impressed with the latest crop of blueliners from Kelowna. He would still be a solid pick though. Just don't think giving up Tanev for a chance at Foote is a good idea.

 

Oettinger I reckon wont be around when we pick in the second round. If he is then I too hope we grab him. 

 

I'm not opposed to the trade. I personally would rather we didn't trade with Toronto. I am opposed to moving up for Foote. There's a chance he would be available for Toronto's pick. 

I see Foote on a very consistent basis in Kelowna.  He's as solid a guy as you can find and at worst tops out as a 5-6 D-man and a 12-18 pick that becomes that at worst is a win.  Toronto right now NEEDS D and tanev fits their needs in every category.  Foote fits our needs for the future as well.  If anything it is Kapanen I would be wary of with our recent pick up of young wingers.

 

We could feasibly draft Makar, Foote, Oettinger/Hague  in the first 2 rounds and know without question 1 of them will become a bonafide full time NHL player but with his pedgiree size and skating ability Foote is a shoe in leaving Makar Oettinger/Hague as the question marks.

 

6 foot 4 2016 pounds, mobile solid skater, only increasing his point totals in every season he's ever played as well is better than a .5 PPG defenceman in playoff format games..  There's a reason coach Smith trusts him not only on the PK and PP but also happily double shifts him from a 5v5 to a 5v4 

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6 hours ago, Blömqvist said:

Let me preface this trade by pointing out a few recent moments in Canuck history where management failed to act in time for the organization's best interests. 

  Reveal hidden contents

#1. Before the 2011 Cup Run the Vancouver Canucks had arguably the best goalie in the league in Roberto Luongo and another very good goalie prospect in Cory Schneider. Schneider spent time in the NCAA and AHL honing his craft, and when he made the big club he was able to refine his game under the tutelage of Luongo and goalie coach Rollie Melanson. Schneider was ready to be a full-time goaltender. 
 
Then general manager Mike Gillis made a few trades on Trade Deadline 2011 to acquire forwards Max Lapierre and Chris Higgins, both of whom played key parts in the run to the finals later on that year. The team had depth in all three positions at forward, defense, and goaltending. What would have put the Canucks over the top was to trade the budding Schneider and possibly blue chip prospect Cody Hodgson for a 1st line impact forward. There was speculation -- mostly from fans -- that Philadelphia's Jeff Carter would have been a good fit for the Canucks and Schneider being a good fit for the Flyers' goaltending, but instead management decided to hold on to both Schneider and Hodgson. The Canucks then went on to and lost in Stanley Cup Finals to the Boston Bruins, scoring just 8 goals in 7 games.

That offseason, Philadelphia traded Jeff Carter to Columbus and Mike Richards to Los Angeles and signed UFA goalie Ilya Bryzgalov. The moves to bring in Bryzgalov became a gigantic flop, and the Flyers bought him out a few seasons after.

The following year at the trade deadline management traded Hodgson for Zack Kassian in a surprise move that shook the hockey community. Then at the 2013 NHL Draft management traded Schneider for the pick that became current Canuck Bo Horvat. Had management traded Schneider and possibly Hodgson for an impact forward like Jeff Carter would we have won the Stanley Cup that year with his extra scoring? We would definitely not have had Horvat, but what if we had our team's first Cup?
 

#2. In the summer of 2013 there were rumours that defenseman Alex Edler was on the trade block and that the Detroit Red Wings were interested in his services. The Canucks were transitioning out of the Vigneault-era and were just about to start the short-lived Tortorella era. Change was coming. Edler signed an extension to his previous contract, which now -- in addition to the pay raise -- included a full NTC that would come into effect July 1, 2013. The Canucks had an outrageous price for Edler: three or four pieces and one of those pieces had to be a 1st round pick. Detroit at the time had an excess in young forwards and had a need for a top defenseman. Had management not been outrageous with their asking price, it could be that the Canucks have Tatar or Nyquist along with Mantha on the roster today.
 

 

 

Current Canuck defenseman Chris Tanev has a modified NTC coming into effect this offseason, starting July 1, 2017 where he can submit a list of 8 teams where he can not be traded to. Tanev's high value as a premier shot suppressor and shutdown defenseman can bring in a very good return for this Canuck rebuild. With the expansion draft looming, the Canucks are looking like they will be losing a defenseman -- likely Luca Sbisa. Now Sbisa has improved his game and is a quality top-4 defensive defenseman. I propose that, instead of losing Sbisa to expansion, we protect him and trade Tanev for assets (plural) before his NTC kicks in. By trading Tanev to Toronto, the Canucks can get both quality and quantity of assets for the rebuild.

 

TOR: Tanev

VAN: Kapanen and a 1st Round Pick (likely between picks 16-20, assuming the Leafs make the playoffs)

 

Then at the 2017 NHL Entry Draft:

- With our 1st round pick select the best available centre (Patrick/Hischier/Vilardi/Mittelstadt/Glass/Pettersson)

- Trade the TOR 1st and CLB 2nd to move up and select defenseman Callan Foote

- With our 2nd round pick select goaltender Jake Oettinger

 

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The Canucks get a lottery ticket in Kasperi Kapanen, who at the age of 20 and in his second AHL season has 43 points in 43 games. Kapanen was a highly rated Euro prospect in his draft year. Good hockey IQ, good vision, good playmaking ability, good shot, and a very fast skater. He's been used on the PK and late in games defending leads this season in the AHL, which speaks to him developing his defensive game and becoming a more complete player. Potential top-6 scoring winger down the road.

The Canucks also draft a right-handed defenseman in Callan Foote using the TOR 1st and the CLB 2nd to move up. A two-way defenseman with size, Foote put up 57 points in 71 games in the WHL. He has pedigree from his father and most importantly according to scouts he has "outstanding hockey sense" and already plays a consistent game as an 18 year old. Potential top-4 defenseman or better. Plus imagine having Foote, Tryamkin, and Gudbranson patrolling our blueline... oh and Foote plays for the Kelowna Rockets. If there's an unwritten rule in drafting it's to select forwards from London and defensemen from Kelowna.

With their 2nd round pick, the Canucks draft goaltender Jake Oettinger. A big goalie standing 6'4" and weighing 205 lbs, Oettinger is the starting goaltender for Boston University in the NCAA (Keller, McAvaoy, and Fabbro's team) and in 35 games he has a 2.11 GAA and 0.927 SV%. It's always good to have depth between the pipes and Oettinger could potentially be a more than capable starter down the road.

Lastly, and most importantly, the Canucks draft their future #1C or #2C in "whoever the heck is available at our pick lol"

 

I like this trade for Toronto as well. It could work out great for both teams I think. 

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6 hours ago, SabreFan1 said:

This is not the year to trade Tanev away.  It's a relatively weak draft year. 

Agreed. I think the Canucks should on to Tanev for at least part of the next season. If the Canucks do want a high pick for him 2018 would be the draft year to do that.

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