Mafia - General Discussion

[Beluga Whale]

17 hours ago, J-23 said:

Mafia question of the next day

 

How to be a good sheriff?

*This is assuming there's no PMing*

• Aside from revealing peeks if the town is laying sheriff cover, don't unnecessarily soft claim or hint at being the sheriff unless you have to. 
• 'Laying low' or intentionally being less of a threat to the mafia isn't a terrible play to avoid MK's but it should be subtle or it can easily make the mafia suspicious of you.
• Try to investigate players that will likely be alive in the subsequent rounds. Ideally you want a scenario where your investigation are revealed - either through you claiming or dying - and all or most of the peeked players are still alive. 

[Dr.Strangelove]

Where yall at

 

Edited August 11, 2017 by Dr.Strangelove

[AV.]

New rules for games with PMs.

 

1.  Mafia must be 1/3 of the players.

2.  Mafia must also get a special role (be it an investigator/doc/kingpin)

 

Yay or nay?

[Aladeen]

10 hours ago, Dr.Strangelove said:

Where yall at

 

[Aladeen]

2 hours ago, Alain Vigneault said:

New rules for games with PMs.

 

1.  Mafia must be 1/3 of the players.

2.  Mafia must also get a special role (be it an investigator/doc/kingpin)

 

Yay or nay?

it really depends on the set up TBH. 

 

If PMing is allowed there should be 1/3 Scum (Mafia + 3p)

 

If No PMing is allowed there should be 1/4 Scum (Mafia + 3p)

 

 

Also special roles for mafia are great in larger games but not so much for smaller ones:

 

Take this setup 

 

9 Players No Pming: You would probably want a simple set up like

 

6 Town

1 Sheriff

2 Mafia

 

I believe the historic win ratio for this setup is almost 50/50. So a game like this is well balanced.

 

Lets say I have 30 Players with Pming:

 

10 Scum (mafia + 3p) - Say 9 Mafia + SK (investigation immune)

1 Sheriff

19 Town

 

Already this game is pretty balanced but if you want to throw some more roles into it then you have to try to balance them out

 

lets say I add a roleblocking mafia lackey (not in communication with mafia to start the game) then I would probably want to add a watcher

 

or say I added a KP then I would proabably personally add a vigilante or doc or maybe medkit to the town side. 

 

If I wanted to add another TP special role, I might include a mafia investigator.

 

So it really depends but the template for the number of scum vs town (depending on PMing or not) should generally remain the same. 

 

 

 

[Beluga Whale]

11 hours ago, Alain Vigneault said:

New rules for games with PMs.

 

1.  Mafia must be 1/3 of the players.

2.  Mafia must also get a special role (be it an investigator/doc/kingpin)

 

Yay or nay?

New rule for games with PMs.

 

1. Don't have them. 

 

 

Jokes aside, I think that's in the right direction. The real key for me is that the town shouldn't be able to form a formidable alliance with a sheriff because then the game is just broken imo. 

[Beluga Whale]

9 hours ago, Aladeen said:

it really depends on the set up TBH. 

 

If PMing is allowed there should be 1/3 Scum (Mafia + 3p)

 

If No PMing is allowed there should be 1/4 Scum (Mafia + 3p)

 

 

Also special roles for mafia are great in larger games but not so much for smaller ones:

 

Take this setup 

 

9 Players No Pming: You would probably want a simple set up like

 

6 Town

1 Sheriff

2 Mafia

 

I believe the historic win ratio for this setup is almost 50/50. So a game like this is well balanced.

 

Lets say I have 30 Players with Pming:

 

10 Scum (mafia + 3p) - Say 9 Mafia + SK (investigation immune)

1 Sheriff

19 Town

 

Already this game is pretty balanced but if you want to throw some more roles into it then you have to try to balance them out

 

lets say I add a roleblocking mafia lackey (not in communication with mafia to start the game) then I would probably want to add a watcher

 

or say I added a KP then I would proabably personally add a vigilante or doc or maybe medkit to the town side. 

 

If I wanted to add another TP special role, I might include a mafia investigator.

 

So it really depends but the template for the number of scum vs town (depending on PMing or not) should generally remain the same. 

 

 

 

I agree with most of this but I've found that the '1/4' rule only works well with a smaller to moderate player number. Once you start getting close to 30 players I think it's probably better to take the square root of the total players and use that for the number of mafia. This is simply because it is generally easier for the wolves to hide when there's more players. 

[Aladeen]

17 minutes ago, Beluga Whale said:

I agree with most of this but I've found that the '1/4' rule only works well with a smaller to moderate player number. Once you start getting close to 30 players I think it's probably better to take the square root of the total players and use that for the number of mafia. This is simply because it is generally easier for the wolves to hide when there's more players. 

You're right my numbers assume a non potato town 

[Zfetch]

Or better yet, an experienced host doesn't even need to announce the roles with PMing allowed to add to the mystery and reduce the likeliness of an OP town.

[Master Radishes]

Or does that just make it too advantageous for the mafia?

[Master Radishes]

Clearly we need to start doing semi-open setups where all the roles that could be in the game are known, but the exact distribution of them is not.

[Blue Jay 22]

Or just no PMs 

[Beluga Whale]

From Mafia Universe

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INVITATION TO THE MAFIA CHAMPIONSHIP (SEASON 5)

 

Hello there!

 

It is with great pleasure that I hereby invite your community to take part in Season 5 of the Mafia Championship.

 

The Mafia Championship is an annual forum tournament series that pits representatives from various online Mafia (aka Werewolf) communities against one another as they compete to determine the Internet’s greatest forum Mafia player. Each participating community democratically elects one person to represent them and be their “Champion”.

 

The whole thing started back in 2013, and since then more than 225+ different communities and 50+ different nationalities have been represented.

 

I hope it sounds like a fun and exciting event

 

 

1. DO YOU ACCEPT THE INVITE?

 

If your community wishes to participate, please confirm your participation to me as soon as you can to ensure yourselves a spot.

 

If you agree to participate, the deadline for selecting your representative is May 1. If this is too soon for you to decide on anyone, let me know and we can work something out.

 

The games will take place on Mafia Universe. If it’s okay, I can link directly to the general discussion thread regarding this topic on Mafia Universe.

 

Important notes

 

• You may decide yourselves how you want to elect your representative, but we highly recommend some sort of democratic process (public nominations followed by a poll usually works out well).

• In addition to electing a representative, you should also name an alternate who will be asked to step in if the first choice needs to back out.

• Your representative should be prepared for having to read upwards of 500 posts per 24 hours during the early stages of the game. Additionally, there’s a requirement that each player must make at least 10 posts per Game Day. Only active players should apply/participate. I repeat: Your chosen player needs to be able to promise a good amount of activity on a daily basis.

 

 

 

 

2. SEASON 5 FORMAT

 

The tournament structure

• 170 communities will participate, each sending one representative.

• 10 Qualifying Games will be played, consisting of 17 players each. I.e. every representative plays in one Qualifying Game. The players themselves vote post-game to determine who is deserving of advancement. 1st place will advance directly to the Finale Game (i.e. 10 of the 17 finalists are found this way), while the 2nd places will advance directly to one of the two Wildcard Games.

• A Jury consisting of finalists from Season 4 will discuss and vote to determine 25 players in total deserving of a second chance: 1 will advance directly to the finale, and the 24 other players will play in 2 Wildcard Games along with the 2nd places that advanced directly to these. From each game, three players will directly advance to the Finale Game based on a post-game player vote.

• The Finale Game is played. Once it has completed, the players vote to determine who shall receive the title of Season 5 Champion and a winner’s certificate signed by Dmitry Davidoff, the creator of mafia.

 

The setup explained very briefly (more details on host site)

This is a semi-open grid setup meant for 17 players: 4 mafia versus 13 townies. First you randomly select a number to decide the mafia team's composition of Power Roles (1-2), then you randomly select a letter to decide the town's composition of Power Roles (A-E). Fill in the number of Vanilla Townies needed to make the town team have 13 members total, and you have your setup.

	Column 1	Column 2
	Mafia Goon Mafia Goon Mafia Goon Mafia Goon	Mafia Goon Mafia Goon Mafia Goon Mafia Role Cop
Row A	Town Even Night Vigilante Town Roleblocker Town Voyeur	Town Even Night Vigilante Town Roleblocker Town Tracker
Row B	Town Even Night Vigilante Town Jailkeeper	Town Even Night Vigilante Town Jailkeeper Town Voyeur
Row C	Town Tracker Town Jailkeeper	Town Tracker Town Jailkeeper Town Voyeur
Row D	Town Tracker Town Roleblocker Town Voyeur	Town Jack of All Trades* Town Even Night Vigilante Town Motion Detector
Row E	Town Doctor Town Jack of All Trades*	Town Doctor Town Roleblocker Town Motion Detector

 

*Town Jack of All Trades: 1x Vigilante, 1x Roleblocker, 1x Tracker.

 

Relevant mechanics info

 

• Day start.

• Deadline Lynch w/ Option for Majority starting Day 2. I.e. when day timer runs out, person with most votes will be lynched. However, day can also be ended early (starting Day 2) if there is ever a majority of votes on one person.

• If there is a tied lynch, one of the tied players will be randomly lynched.

• No outside communication. I.e. you may not contact the other players outside of the thread (unless you are Mafia and wish to speak with your teammates).

• Phase Lengths and Deadlines will be up to the players themselves (I’ll organize them into games with deadlines that suit their preferences).

• Thread is locked during Night Phases.

• Alignments are revealed upon lynch.

• The game will have a host to oversee everything and make sure everyone’s following the code of conduct, but otherwise the game is completely automated (automatic votecounts, thread locks and reveals roles automatically, the bot receives and processes actions, etc.).

 

 

3. SEASON 5 TIMELINE

 

There will be 10 Qualifying Games, and your representative plays in just one of these. They will have start dates during the months of May and June. So in other words, as long as your representative can play sometime during that period, they should be good and I’ll make sure they get scheduled into a game that suits their schedule well. I.e. if your rep is busy until June, that isn’t a problem.

 

Wildcard games will be played in July, and the Finale Game sometime in August/September (whenever we can work out something that suits everyone).

 

 

Kind regards,

Thingyman

 

If you want to get in contact with me ASAP, you can find me on Discord (Thingyman#6075).

 

[Beluga Whale]

Alright we gotta pick a representative if we want to partake. Whoever goes has to be able to ensure activity during their game:

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Your representative should be prepared for having to read upwards of 500 posts per 24 hours during the early stages of the game. Additionally, there’s a requirement that each player must make at least 10 posts per Game Day. Only active players should apply/participate. I repeat: Your chosen player needs to be able to promise a good amount of activity on a daily basis.

We can also send past representatives again I believe.

 

I'm not sure how we're going to do this but maybe we should figure out who would be interested in the first place. 

[Beluga Whale]

Nominating @Intoewsables and @Blue Jay 22

[Master Radishes]

Agree with those noms.

 

But I agree that first step is to see who would be interested and able.

 

Not me.

[Intoewsables]

Really appreciate the nomination, but I just can't promise the type of activity they're requiring. Not to mention, I haven't played Mafia in eons so I probably wouldn't be the best representative in that sense either. Maybe we can try to play a game or two soon as a sort of tryout?

Edited April 17, 2018 by Intoewsables

[Beluga Whale]

2 hours ago, Intoewsables said:

Really appreciate the nomination, but I just can't promise the type of activity they're requiring. Not to mention, I haven't played Mafia in eons so I probably wouldn't be the best representative in that sense either. Maybe we can try to play a game or two soon as a sort of tryout?

You get a lot of choice with your time slot so if you have a week or two with free time in May through July then you should be good. Ofc you'd have to know well ahead time.

 

I like the idea of having a tryout. Maybe we can play a game or two and the consensus 'Best Player' can be our rep if they want.

[Beluga Whale]

2 minutes ago, Beluga Whale said:

You get a lot of choice with your time slot so if you have a week or two with free time in May through July then you should be good. Ofc you'd have to know well ahead time.

 

I like the idea of having a tryout. Maybe we can play a game or two and the consensus 'Best Player' can be our rep if they want.

Actually, we only have a couple weeks to decide so the next game would have to be the qualifier if we did that.

[Master 112]

nominating @Horvat