Is there a future for the Sedins after their current contracts?

[Boudrias]

1 hour ago, Kevin Biestra said:

It's kind of sad the way old legends go out in this city.  Smyl and Linden rode the pine for their final seasons.  Everyone complained about Naslund the exact same way they're complaining about the Sedins now.  Brodeur and McLean were traded unceremoniously.

 

The Sedins were second and third in scoring on the team.  If they want to continue playing here and for a discount, there's no way they wouldn't be the best third line in the NHL if that's where they slotted in.

 

People are talking about them like they are now the equivalent of Messier when he was here.

I think you are overstating the issue when you bring Messier's name out.

 

Whether the Twins are resigned or not is all about how they fit in to the rebuilding time line. To a large extent that will be determined by how well they play next year. As well it makes a dif on how well the rest of team progresses as well. Can Sutter, Dorsett and Ericksson be enough of a vet presence to mentor a younger group as they develop. Can not resigning the Twins allow enough CAP space to Benning to sign younger UFA's to replace them?  Could that CAP space be used to take on other teams CAP contract problems in exchange for prospects or draft picks?

 

I do not see the Twins as viable 3rd line players. As elite offensive players who are slowing down and being challenged physically in a bigger NHL my preference would be that they would opt for a CUP run next spring and agree to a TDL trade to a contender. If they have a strong season next year that might be a option. Signing the Twins after next year is just another example of the Canuck org ignoring their future.  

[YummyCakeFace]

No

[Sweathog]

It's probably for the best that next season will likely be the last season for the twins on the Canucks. Even if they have a much better year, it would be ideal for them to finish their careers here on a high note.

 

Let Henrick  play one last year as captain, keep the scrutiny off of Bo for a little longer and allow him to up his game even further without the added pressure. After that though, the Canucks are due for a change in leadership and culture in general, and it'll be best if the Sedins are off the team.

[kingofsurrey]

I think the better question is....

 

Is there a future for Jim Benning after his current contract.... ???

 

Sure he got a couple of Flames prospects that were not good enough to crack their playoff team roster...

 

Both of these  2  guys look great on our Canucks team which is half full of AHL level forwards....... 

 

I guess the next year or two will show us if JB deserves another deal....

 

So far Virt and Juolevi  progress  seems to be questionable...  We need both of these 2 to take the next step forward.

 

Benning might also need that if wants to get another contract from the canucks.  

 

 

[Canucklehead73]

If you look at say the San Jose sharks... Joe Thorton and Patrik Marleau prove you can keep your veteran long term, but that being said Marleau still has great wheels and a good shot and the Sedin's who were never fast are slower than even. Even Jumbo Joe is having an off year offensively he is still a good puck possession guy and good defensively. If we look into our crystal ball and assume they are still performing poorly we need to move on as an organization.

 

That being said, I have mentioned before in other threads, why not have the Sedin's move into their next careers as strength and conditioning coaches/trainers.

[Westcoasting]

Maybe the Canucks  could buy a popcorn cart and the Sedins could sell popcorn to the fans waiting in line to get into the stadium.

[shazzam]

6 hours ago, Canucklehead73 said:

If you look at say the San Jose sharks... Joe Thorton and Patrik Marleau prove you can keep your veteran long term, but that being said Marleau still has great wheels and a good shot and the Sedin's who were never fast are slower than even. Even Jumbo Joe is having an off year offensively he is still a good puck possession guy and good defensively. If we look into our crystal ball and assume they are still performing poorly we need to move on as an organization.

 

That being said, I have mentioned before in other threads, why not have the Sedin's move into their next careers as strength and conditioning coaches/trainers.

Because there are people way more qualified and the sedins have too many millions to give a $&!#

[Salacious Crumb]

2 hours ago, Westcoasting said:

Maybe the Canucks  could buy a popcorn cart and the Sedins could sell popcorn to the fans waiting in line to get into the stadium.

Too soon.

[King Heffy]

On 4/15/2017 at 2:29 PM, kingofsurrey said:

I think the better question is....

 

Is there a future for Jim Benning after his current contract.... ???

 

Sure he got a couple of Flames prospects that were not good enough to crack their playoff team roster...

 

Both of these  2  guys look great on our Canucks team which is half full of AHL level forwards....... 

 

I guess the next year or two will show us if JB deserves another deal....

 

So far Virt and Juolevi  progress  seems to be questionable...  We need both of these 2 to take the next step forward.

 

Benning might also need that if wants to get another contract from the canucks.  

 

 

Benning has done a fine job.  Virt is still young and power forwards take a longer time to develop.  Juolevi is a very good defenseman and has a ton of hockey sense.  He looks like Maatta and is anything but questionable.  You've also chosen to omit Boeser, Demko, Tryamkin, Stecher, Goldobin, and Dahlen.  I'll be very unhappy to see Benning let go.

[the harry]

[canuckistani]

The short answer is obvious yes. 

If the Sedins each sign for 4/4.5 million after their next contracts, a 40-50 point 3rd line/2nd PP specialist will be worth its weight in gold. 

 

[189lb enforcers?]

4 hours ago, canuckistani said:

The short answer is obvious yes. 

If the Sedins each sign for 4/4.5 million after their next contracts, a 40-50 point 3rd line/2nd PP specialist will be worth its weight in gold. 

 

So, the top 6 will kill all the penalties?

Connect the dots. 

[shazzam]

21 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

So, the top 6 will kill all the penalties?

Connect the dots. 

Also take all those defensive draws lol

[Dr. Crossbar]

The Oilers - Sharks series is making me reassess my perspective on this.

 

On the one hand, the Sharks have done well with Thorton and Marleau and older players. They've proven they can still be consistently competitive with guys 30+ and two 37-year old vets producing 50 points each. They're making a case for how the Sedins could have a future if they're still producing.

 

On the other hand, the Oilers are a fast, young, physical team without aging vets. They're entertaining and obviously gelling together as a young group. They make the case that 37-year old vets don't have a future in the line-up. 

 

But that's now. We still have next season to play out.

 

Next year the Sedins will be 37. So, when you look at the future beyond their contracts, does it make sense to have two 38/39-year olds on your roster with so much youth coming in?

 

Given where we are in our development of youth, we're still 2-3 years away from guys like Virtanen truly emerging along with Juolevi, Gaudette, Dahlen, this year's Top pick, and other youth. So, extending the Sedins makes sense from a buffer, leadership standpoint. 

 

This season was considered a bad year and the Sedins were 44 and 51 point players, similar to Marleau and Thornton.

 

I think we're now at a point where we need to take it year by year. Next season we need to see more young guys emerge to push the Sedins into the 3rd line roles by the time their contracts expire.

 

 

[kloubek]

I think you drop a decent winger on their line and reduce them down to 3rd line regular minutes and special teams, that they can still contribute without taking away too much ice time for younger players who might be advancing.  I believe a short (1 year?) contract at a greatly reduced rate would allow them to continue to mentor our young guys and give them an opportunity to see the team rebuild into a competitive team again, while still providing us with good secondary scoring.

 

We certainly have more youth on our team now but we're hardly busting at the seams.  Taking up two roster spots isn't a problem.

 

Oh, and in regards to the comment against Benning, he's done a fine job.  Don't be so short sighted.  We now have a solid defence, goaltending well on its way to being far better than the mess Gillis left it in, and a bunch of young guys who have relatively high ceiling potential.  All good stuff ahead.  Yes, we might still lack some high end, 1st line talent but there's only so much he can do.  Boeser looks like a winner and if we manage to get one of the first two picks in the draft we should be ok.

[189lb enforcers?]

1 hour ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

The Oilers - Sharks series is making me reassess my perspective on this.

 

On the one hand, the Sharks have done well with Thorton and Marleau and older players. They've proven they can still be consistently competitive with guys 30+ and two 37-year old vets producing 50 points each. They're making a case for how the Sedins could have a future if they're still producing.

 

On the other hand, the Oilers are a fast, young, physical team without aging vets. They're entertaining and obviously gelling together as a young group. They make the case that 37-year old vets don't have a future in the line-up. 

 

But that's now. We still have next season to play out.

 

Next year the Sedins will be 37. So, when you look at the future beyond their contracts, does it make sense to have two 38/39-year olds on your roster with so much youth coming in?

 

Given where we are in our development of youth, we're still 2-3 years away from guys like Virtanen truly emerging along with Juolevi, Gaudette, Dahlen, this year's Top pick, and other youth. So, extending the Sedins makes sense from a buffer, leadership standpoint. 

 

This season was considered a bad year and the Sedins were 44 and 51 point players, similar to Marleau and Thornton.

 

I think we're now at a point where we need to take it year by year. Next season we need to see more young guys emerge to push the Sedins into the 3rd line roles by the time their contracts expire.

 

 

Jumbo and Marleau are big, physical guys who can handle traffic and have some decent speed, especially Marleau. Their games are very different than the Sedins beyond all being good passers. Their play away from the puck and their intangibles separate them even further. The Sedins are too one dimensional to be a fair comparison, imo. 

[canuckistani]

7 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

So, the top 6 will kill all the penalties?

Connect the dots. 

No, not all the top six. The bottom 3 might do a good job at it too. I am pretty sure we are drafting a 1C this year. That'd make Sutter a 4C in the system. 
I also doubt Granlund is going to see much time in the top six unless the Sedins are in the top six. So there's another one. We also have plenty of cap-space to sign a decent depth 3W/4W during UFA. There's also Bo, who isn't going to stop killing penalties either. It'd quite possible actually and IMO, its also likely that the Canucks will consider that as the most favourable option moving forward..

Even if we bomb next year, we are still going after top tier talents and will have low cap spending. If the Sedins do take a pay-cut and become 4-5 million dollar players, there would be plenty of room for them in the system. 

[canuckistani]

6 hours ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

The Oilers - Sharks series is making me reassess my perspective on this.

 

On the one hand, the Sharks have done well with Thorton and Marleau and older players. They've proven they can still be consistently competitive with guys 30+ and two 37-year old vets producing 50 points each. They're making a case for how the Sedins could have a future if they're still producing.

 

On the other hand, the Oilers are a fast, young, physical team without aging vets. They're entertaining and obviously gelling together as a young group. They make the case that 37-year old vets don't have a future in the line-up. 

 

But that's now. We still have next season to play out.

 

Next year the Sedins will be 37. So, when you look at the future beyond their contracts, does it make sense to have two 38/39-year olds on your roster with so much youth coming in?

 

Given where we are in our development of youth, we're still 2-3 years away from guys like Virtanen truly emerging along with Juolevi, Gaudette, Dahlen, this year's Top pick, and other youth. So, extending the Sedins makes sense from a buffer, leadership standpoint. 

 

This season was considered a bad year and the Sedins were 44 and 51 point players, similar to Marleau and Thornton.

 

I think we're now at a point where we need to take it year by year. Next season we need to see more young guys emerge to push the Sedins into the 3rd line roles by the time their contracts expire.

 

 

 

These 37 year olds can still be quite effective in diminished role. Hockey doesn't always have to be the standard '1-2-3-4' line format. Sometimes, teams have won with effectively 2 second lines instead of 1 first line and 1 2nd line (in terms of points/pk, etc). 

Sedins are obviously not top line material anymore, but that doesn't mean they still can't school 2nd/3rd pairing defensemen and not drawing the top 2 checking lines either. 

Ofcourse they are going to need an anchor moving forward who is a defensively responsible player and that player most likely is Granlund. 

I'd be quite happy with a youngish top 2 lines, with some ELCs and bridge contracts on them (which is the most likely option too. For e.g., Bo is most likely getting in the 4.5-6m range, not more) and the Sedins-Granlund as our 3rd line. This also makes Sutter a 4C, which brings incredible depth to the lineup. Being truly able to roll 4 lines has a meta-value in itself that can't be ignored. Its also rare that we get such a chance very often, because it requires several good young players on the cusp, a few bargain priced players and a few vets taking pay-cuts as they diminish. 

 

[Harvey Spector]

8 hours ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

The Oilers - Sharks series is making me reassess my perspective on this.

 

On the one hand, the Sharks have done well with Thorton and Marleau and older players. They've proven they can still be consistently competitive with guys 30+ and two 37-year old vets producing 50 points each. They're making a case for how the Sedins could have a future if they're still producing.

 

On the other hand, the Oilers are a fast, young, physical team without aging vets. They're entertaining and obviously gelling together as a young group. They make the case that 37-year old vets don't have a future in the line-up. 

 

But that's now. We still have next season to play out.

 

Next year the Sedins will be 37. So, when you look at the future beyond their contracts, does it make sense to have two 38/39-year olds on your roster with so much youth coming in?

 

Given where we are in our development of youth, we're still 2-3 years away from guys like Virtanen truly emerging along with Juolevi, Gaudette, Dahlen, this year's Top pick, and other youth. So, extending the Sedins makes sense from a buffer, leadership standpoint. 

 

This season was considered a bad year and the Sedins were 44 and 51 point players, similar to Marleau and Thornton.

 

I think we're now at a point where we need to take it year by year. Next season we need to see more young guys emerge to push the Sedins into the 3rd line roles by the time their contracts expire.

 

 

Thornton is about twice the size of Hank and can handle the physical game. That's why a guy like Jagr has lasted so long. The Sedins are not physical at all. They cannot play on a third line with a combined cap hit of $9 million. It simply will not work. They don't even kill penalties so you will have players in the top 6 being tired out by having to kill penalties all game, a role that third liners usually play. 

 

Also Sutter is our third line centre. He plays that role as he should, killing penalties and playing hard checking other teams top lines. A role Hank cannot do. You'd basically screw up the whole system of the team by trying to fit two 38 year old players into roles they've never played before. 

 

In two years time I hope Virtanen is ready and Goldobin takes the next step. And we end up with a top line centre from this year's draft. And we could also trade a defenceman like Tanev for a top 6 forward. What I don't want to see two years from now is two 38 year old players trying to hang on and play on a third line making $9 million combined and not contributing at all to any typical third line duties. That would set us back years really. 

[Pickly]

Gotta cut your losses and move on from the Sedins sooner rather than later. Like I said before until they are gone this team will never develop a much needed identity. I'm not slamming what they have meant to this team for many years but sports are cutthroat and they are top 6 players or bust cause they can't play defense anymore and if you think they can be PP specialists let's be honest, the pp has been in the basement for a few years now and look who is out there every bloody time.