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8 minutes ago, sockeye said:

Everybody is talking about Nico Hischier and Nolan Patrick being the top 2 picks of this years NHL entry draft.  I would like to know more about Gabriel Vilardi who is often slated as the number 3 pick.  After all, there's no guarantee (with the lottery) that we can land either of those top 2 picks.  

 

I'm intrigued by Vilardi because of what I've seen in a few video clips and because he has done very well on an OHL team (Windor Spitfires) that went through lots of injuries; and the team was not considered one of the best OHL teams this year.  Rocky Thompson (Head Coach of the Spitfires) was interviewed on TSN 1040 a few weeks ago and he had lots of good things to say about Vilardi (good character, makes players around him better, a leader through the injury spell, etc.). 

 

Another thing to consider is that Vilardi is 11 months younger than Patrick.  Lots of development can happen in 11 months at their age.  

 

Let's assume that we fall to third in the draft.  I'd like other people's insight on Vilardi or other top 5 picks.

 

Gabriel Vilardi's Player Profile

Mike Morreale - Mar. 20th: ""The enhanced stats tell us [Vilardi] is the engine on this team because whoever plays with him, their Corsi numbers go straight up and are increased," [Windsor coach Rocky] Thompson said. "Without him, they drop significantly. We've had a ton of injuries this year so it's been a revolving door with our lines but the one common theme has been Vilardi's ability to make the players with him even better.""

Jeff Marek of Sportsnet - Mar. 8th: "Probably Windsor’s most consistent player this season. Plays wing, but is a natural centre and has played a few games at that position. Almost a full year younger than Nolan Patrick."

ISS Hockey - Mar. 6th: "Starting to heat up with 14 points in 10 games during February -- just in time for the playoffs."

ISS Hockey - Feb. 6th: "Always been blessed w/size but his skill level & maturity has grown in leaps & bounds."

Mike Morreale NHL.com - Jan. 20th: "A puck-possessing workaholic with skilled hands and outstanding awareness. A right-shot forward, Vilardi (6-3, 201) has excellent hockey sense and puck-handling ability, is very composed with the puck and able to influence the game in all three zones."

Future Considerations: "A dynamic and often brilliant offensive attacker…has skilled hands and outstanding awareness…looks to set up his linemates with timely passes, but can also finish off the play when the opportunity is there…has nice size and uses it to protect the puck…has a quick jump and agility on his feet, but is not really a speed demon screaming up the ice…plays aggressively both when his team does and does not have the puck; often hunting it down and stripping it from his opponent."

Dennis Schellenberg Hockey Prospectus - Nov. 9th: "Vilardi has both great playmaking skills as well as the ability to finish off plays using his hard and accurate wrist shot. Due to his size, he is hard to separate from the puck and uses his long reach to protect the puck successfully. "

 

 

 

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Here's some more predictions from some pretty reliable sources.

Everybody's got Nolan Patrick #1 except one person. Corey Pronman ESPN. Although the predictions were from Jan, Feb & March.

Craig Button's is pretty recent & he's got Necas at #3. :huh:

 

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2017-draft/2017-nhl-draft-rankings


 

2017 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings
  Craig Button
TSN

Mar. 21st
DraftBuzz
Hockey

Mar. 12th
Jeff Marek
Sportsnet

Mar. 8th
ISS Hockey
Mar. 1st
1 Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick
2 Nico Hischier Nico Hischier Nico Hischier Nico Hischier
3 Martin Necas Gabe Vilardi Timothy Liljegren Owen Tippett
4 Gabe Vilardi Owen Tippett Owen Tippett Gabe Vilardi
5 Cale Makar Elias Petterson Gabe Vilardi Timothy Liljegren
6 Casey Mittelstadt Martin Necas Casey Mittelstadt Casey Mittelstadt
7 Cody Glass Lias Andersson Eeli Tolvanen Michael Rasmussen
8 Timothy Liljegren Cody Glass Martin Necas Callan Foote
9 Ryan Poehling Timothy Liljegren Michael Rasmussen Klim Kostin
10 Nick Suzuki Casey Mittelstadt Cale Makar Juuso Valimaki
11 Miro Heiskanen Cale Makar Nicolas Hague Eeli Tolvanen
12 Elias Pettersson Nick Suzuki Lias Andersson Nicolas Hague
13 Eeli Tolvanen Juuso Valimaki Miro Heiskanen Cale Makar
14 Kailer Yamamoto Eeli Tolvanen Jusso Valimaki Cody Glass
15 Lias Andersson Ryan Poehling Cal Foote Elias Pettersson
16 Michael Rasmussen Nikita Popugaev Cody Glass Kole Lind
17 Alexei Lipanov Michael Rasmussen Erik Brannstrom Martin Necas
18 Cal Foote Klim Kostin Klim Kostin Maxime Comtois
19 P-Olivier Joseph Miro Heiskanen Maxime Comtois Ryan Poehling
20 Owen Tippett Isaac Ratcliffe Kailer Yamamoto Kailer Yamamoto
21 Josh Norris Conor Timmins Kristian Vesalainen Shane Bowers
22 Shane Bowers Kailer Yamamoto Urho Vaakanainen Isaac Ratcliffe
23 Jusso Valimaki Nic Hague Nick Suzuki Nick Suzuki
24 Aleksei Heponiemi Jake Oettinger Ryan Poehling Josh Norris
25 Conor Timins Cal Foote Robert Thomas Urho Vaakanainen
26 Matthew Strome Robert Thomas Shane Bowers Henri Jokiharju
27 Grant Mismash Shane Bowers Elias Pettersson Lias Andersson
28 Isaac Ratcliffe Urho Vaakanainen Matthew Strome Jaret Anderson-Dolan
29 Kristian Vesalainen Maxime Comtois Kole Lind Kristian Vesalainen
30 Klim Kostin Kole Lind Nikita Popugaev Lukas Elvenes
31 Jaret Anderson-Dolan Jaret Anderson-Dolan MacKenzie Entwistle Robert Thomas

 

2017 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings
  McKeen's
Hockey

Feb. 26th
Hockey Prospect
Feb. 20th
The Draft
Analyst

Feb. 14th
Ryan Kennedy
THN

Feb. 13th
1 Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick
2 Nico Hischier Nico Hischier Casey Mittelstadt Nico Hischier
3 Michael Rasmussen Casey Mittelstadt Nico Hischier Timothy Liljegren
4 Casey Mittelstadt Gabe Vilardi Eeli Tolvanen Gabe Vilardi
5 Gabriel Vilardi Elias Pettersson Timothy Liljegren Owen Tippett
6 Owen Tippett Martin Necas Owen Tippett Klim Kostin
7 Elias Pettersson Cody Glass Elias Pettersson Casey Mittelstadt
8 Timothy Liljegren Timothy Liljegren Martin Necas Michael Rasmussen
9 Eeli Tolvanen Cale Makar Miro Heiskanen Eeli Tolvanen
10 Martin Necas Miro Heiskanen Lias Andersson Miro Heiskanen
11 Miro Heiskanen Owen Tippett Jusso Valimaki Martin Necas
12 Cale Makar Eeli Tolvanen Gabe Vilardi Kristian Vesalainen
13 Cody Glass Isaac Ratcliffe Klim Kostin Cale Makar
14 Ryan Poehling Ryan Poehling Urho Vaakanainen Elias Pettersson
15 Lias Andersson Michael Rasmussen Kristian Vesalainen Cody Glass
16 Jusso Valimaki Lias Andersson Erik Brannstrom Ryan Poehling
17 Nikita Popugaev Cal Foote Michael Rasmussen Juuso Valimaki
18 Robert Thomas Nicolas Hague Nicolas Hague Maxime Comtois
19 Conor Timmins Jusso Valimaki Kailer Yamamoto Nikita Popugaev
20 Kole Lind Shane Bowers Maxime Comtois Cal Foote
21 Erik Brannstrom Alexei Lipanov Henry Jokiharju Isaac Ratcliffe
22 Klim Kostin Kailer Yamamoto Antoine Morand Nic Hague
23 Cal Foote Klim Kostin Marcus Davidsson Lias Andersson
24 Maxime Comtois Kole Lind Cale Makar Kailer Yamamoto
25 Kristian Vesalainen Urho Vaakanainen Ian Mitchell Shane Bowers
26 Urho Vaakanainen Nick Suzuki Ryan Poehling Nick Suzuki
27 Shane Bowers Maxime Comtois Nikita Popugaev Jake Oettinger
28 Nick Suzuki Jake Oettinger Callan Foote Ivan Lodnia
29 Kailer Yamamoto Pierre-Olivier Joseph Scott Reedy Jaret Anderson-Dolan
30 Isaac Ratcliffe Marcus Davidsson Ivan Chekhovich Erik Brannstrom
31 Josh Norris Jonah Gadjovich Shane Bowers Sasha Chmelevski


 

2017 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings
  Corey Pronman
ESPN

Feb. 8th
Bob McKenzie
TSN

Jan. 31st
Dub Network
Jan. 16th
Future
Considerations

Jan. 2nd
1 Nico Hischier Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick
2 Nolan Patrick Nico Hischier Timothy Liljegren Timothy Liljegren
3 Owen Tippett Timothy Liljegren Klim Kostin Casey Mittelstadt
4 Eeli Tolvanen Gabe Vilardi Nico Hischier Nico Hischier
5 Klim Kostin Casey Mittelstadt Nic Hague Gabriel Vilardi
6 Gabe Vilardi Owen Tippett Casey Mittelstadt Owen Tippett
7 Timothy Liljegren Michael Rasmussen Owen Tippett Eeli Tolvanen
8 Martin Necas Martin Necas Eeli Tolvanen Elias Pettersson
9 Cody Glass Eeli Tolvanen Gabe Vilardi Nicolas Hague
10 Kailer Yamamoto Klim Kostin Martin Necas Lias Andersson
11 Casey Mittelstadt Elias Pettersson Callan Foote Maxime Comtois
12 Nick Suzuki Cale Makar Michael Rasmussen Klim Kostin
13 Cale Makar Miro Heiskanen Cale Makar Juuso Valimaki
14 Kristian Vesalainen Cody Glass Maxime Comtois Kailer Yamamoto
15 Michael Rasmussen Lias Andersson Elias Pettersson Kristian Vesalainen
16 Miro Heiskanen Jusso Valimaki Juuso Valimaki Miro Heiskanen
17 Ivan Lodnia Ryan Poehling Kristian Vesalainen Ryan Poehling
18 Elias Pettersson Cal Foote Lias Andersson Cale Makar
19 Robert Thomas Kristian Vesalainen Erik Brannstrom Matthew Strome
20 Erik Brannstrom Shane Bowers Marcus Davidsson Michael Rasmussen
21 Lias Andersson Nic Hague Cody Glass Nick Suzuki
22 Ryan Poehling Maxime Comtois Ryan Poehling Callan Foote
23 Henri Jokiharju Kailer Yamamoto Matthew Strome Martin Necas
24 Alexei Lipanov Urho Vaakanainen Miro Heiskanen Marcus Davidsson
25 Callan Foote Jake Oettinger Scott Reedy Mike DiPietro
26 Nikita Popugaev Nikita Popugaev Urho Vaakanainen Scott Reedy
27 Filip Westerlund Nick Suzuki Jake Oettinger Urho Vaakanainen
28 Juuso Valimaki Isaac Ratcliffe Nikita Popugaev Erik Brannstrom
29 Maxime Comtois Matthew Strome Shane Bowers Isaac Ratcliffe
30 Aleksi Heponiemi Robert Thomas Pierre-Olivier Joseph Cody Glass
31 David Farrance Conor Timmins Luke Martin Sasha Chmelevski
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Did he play mostly wing this year? Also, I thought that he had some pretty good players on his line like Logan Brown? My biggest concern for him is the skating - it just seems slow. 

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He is by far the kid I want us to draft. All around stud. 

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10 minutes ago, vinny_in_vancouver said:

Did he play mostly wing this year? Also, I thought that he had some pretty good players on his line like Logan Brown? My biggest concern for him is the skating - it just seems slow. 

"He’s also got great feet, and he’s a deceptively speedy guy"

 

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11 minutes ago, vinny_in_vancouver said:

Did he play mostly wing this year? Also, I thought that he had some pretty good players on his line like Logan Brown? My biggest concern for him is the skating - it just seems slow. 

Brown only played 35 games this season, missed nearly half the year with injury. I listened to a few of their games (no where near all of them), and from what I heard they were on the same line about half of the games that Brown played.

He played more wing than centre this year, but still took a good number of draws. I don't know exactly how many he took, but the Spitfires website says 136 face off wins in 49 games. So it sounds like he was taking them somewhat frequently.

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If JB did something like pick Vilardi with 2nd OA or 3rd OA when he isn't ranked top 3 in the consensus, then CDC will ask for JB's head.

 

We are going insane over picking Juolevi at #5 over Tkachuk when Tkachuk was ranked ahead of Juolevi in the consensus ranking by like one spot. Can't imagine what would happen if Vilardi is picked when Hischier/Patrick is available.

 

So NO.

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12 minutes ago, vinny_in_vancouver said:

Did he play mostly wing this year? Also, I thought that he had some pretty good players on his line like Logan Brown? My biggest concern for him is the skating - it just seems slow. 

Weren't they saying the same thing (slow skater) about Matthew Tkachuk?  Vilardi's point totals are definitely trending upwards:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=187453

Vilardi is listed as a centre and, yes, Logan Brown played on the Spitfires too.  Brown had 40 points in 35 games whereas Vilardi had 61 in 49 games.  Anyway, thanks for the input.  

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52 minutes ago, CoolCanucklehead said:

Here's some more predictions from some pretty reliable sources.

Everybody's got Nolan Patrick #1 except one person. Corey Pronman ESPN. Although the predictions were from Jan, Feb & March.

Craig Button's is pretty recent & he's got Necas at #3. :huh:

 

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2017-draft/2017-nhl-draft-rankings


 

2017 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings
  Craig Button
TSN

Mar. 21st
DraftBuzz
Hockey

Mar. 12th
Jeff Marek
Sportsnet

Mar. 8th
ISS Hockey
Mar. 1st
1 Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick
2 Nico Hischier Nico Hischier Nico Hischier Nico Hischier
3 Martin Necas Gabe Vilardi Timothy Liljegren Owen Tippett
4 Gabe Vilardi Owen Tippett Owen Tippett Gabe Vilardi
5 Cale Makar Elias Petterson Gabe Vilardi Timothy Liljegren
6 Casey Mittelstadt Martin Necas Casey Mittelstadt Casey Mittelstadt
7 Cody Glass Lias Andersson Eeli Tolvanen Michael Rasmussen
8 Timothy Liljegren Cody Glass Martin Necas Callan Foote
9 Ryan Poehling Timothy Liljegren Michael Rasmussen Klim Kostin
10 Nick Suzuki Casey Mittelstadt Cale Makar Juuso Valimaki
11 Miro Heiskanen Cale Makar Nicolas Hague Eeli Tolvanen
12 Elias Pettersson Nick Suzuki Lias Andersson Nicolas Hague
13 Eeli Tolvanen Juuso Valimaki Miro Heiskanen Cale Makar
14 Kailer Yamamoto Eeli Tolvanen Jusso Valimaki Cody Glass
15 Lias Andersson Ryan Poehling Cal Foote Elias Pettersson
16 Michael Rasmussen Nikita Popugaev Cody Glass Kole Lind
17 Alexei Lipanov Michael Rasmussen Erik Brannstrom Martin Necas
18 Cal Foote Klim Kostin Klim Kostin Maxime Comtois
19 P-Olivier Joseph Miro Heiskanen Maxime Comtois Ryan Poehling
20 Owen Tippett Isaac Ratcliffe Kailer Yamamoto Kailer Yamamoto
21 Josh Norris Conor Timmins Kristian Vesalainen Shane Bowers
22 Shane Bowers Kailer Yamamoto Urho Vaakanainen Isaac Ratcliffe
23 Jusso Valimaki Nic Hague Nick Suzuki Nick Suzuki
24 Aleksei Heponiemi Jake Oettinger Ryan Poehling Josh Norris
25 Conor Timins Cal Foote Robert Thomas Urho Vaakanainen
26 Matthew Strome Robert Thomas Shane Bowers Henri Jokiharju
27 Grant Mismash Shane Bowers Elias Pettersson Lias Andersson
28 Isaac Ratcliffe Urho Vaakanainen Matthew Strome Jaret Anderson-Dolan
29 Kristian Vesalainen Maxime Comtois Kole Lind Kristian Vesalainen
30 Klim Kostin Kole Lind Nikita Popugaev Lukas Elvenes
31 Jaret Anderson-Dolan Jaret Anderson-Dolan MacKenzie Entwistle Robert Thomas

 

2017 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings
  McKeen's
Hockey

Feb. 26th
Hockey Prospect
Feb. 20th
The Draft
Analyst

Feb. 14th
Ryan Kennedy
THN

Feb. 13th
1 Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick
2 Nico Hischier Nico Hischier Casey Mittelstadt Nico Hischier
3 Michael Rasmussen Casey Mittelstadt Nico Hischier Timothy Liljegren
4 Casey Mittelstadt Gabe Vilardi Eeli Tolvanen Gabe Vilardi
5 Gabriel Vilardi Elias Pettersson Timothy Liljegren Owen Tippett
6 Owen Tippett Martin Necas Owen Tippett Klim Kostin
7 Elias Pettersson Cody Glass Elias Pettersson Casey Mittelstadt
8 Timothy Liljegren Timothy Liljegren Martin Necas Michael Rasmussen
9 Eeli Tolvanen Cale Makar Miro Heiskanen Eeli Tolvanen
10 Martin Necas Miro Heiskanen Lias Andersson Miro Heiskanen
11 Miro Heiskanen Owen Tippett Jusso Valimaki Martin Necas
12 Cale Makar Eeli Tolvanen Gabe Vilardi Kristian Vesalainen
13 Cody Glass Isaac Ratcliffe Klim Kostin Cale Makar
14 Ryan Poehling Ryan Poehling Urho Vaakanainen Elias Pettersson
15 Lias Andersson Michael Rasmussen Kristian Vesalainen Cody Glass
16 Jusso Valimaki Lias Andersson Erik Brannstrom Ryan Poehling
17 Nikita Popugaev Cal Foote Michael Rasmussen Juuso Valimaki
18 Robert Thomas Nicolas Hague Nicolas Hague Maxime Comtois
19 Conor Timmins Jusso Valimaki Kailer Yamamoto Nikita Popugaev
20 Kole Lind Shane Bowers Maxime Comtois Cal Foote
21 Erik Brannstrom Alexei Lipanov Henry Jokiharju Isaac Ratcliffe
22 Klim Kostin Kailer Yamamoto Antoine Morand Nic Hague
23 Cal Foote Klim Kostin Marcus Davidsson Lias Andersson
24 Maxime Comtois Kole Lind Cale Makar Kailer Yamamoto
25 Kristian Vesalainen Urho Vaakanainen Ian Mitchell Shane Bowers
26 Urho Vaakanainen Nick Suzuki Ryan Poehling Nick Suzuki
27 Shane Bowers Maxime Comtois Nikita Popugaev Jake Oettinger
28 Nick Suzuki Jake Oettinger Callan Foote Ivan Lodnia
29 Kailer Yamamoto Pierre-Olivier Joseph Scott Reedy Jaret Anderson-Dolan
30 Isaac Ratcliffe Marcus Davidsson Ivan Chekhovich Erik Brannstrom
31 Josh Norris Jonah Gadjovich Shane Bowers Sasha Chmelevski


 

2017 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings
  Corey Pronman
ESPN

Feb. 8th
Bob McKenzie
TSN

Jan. 31st
Dub Network
Jan. 16th
Future
Considerations

Jan. 2nd
1 Nico Hischier Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick
2 Nolan Patrick Nico Hischier Timothy Liljegren Timothy Liljegren
3 Owen Tippett Timothy Liljegren Klim Kostin Casey Mittelstadt
4 Eeli Tolvanen Gabe Vilardi Nico Hischier Nico Hischier
5 Klim Kostin Casey Mittelstadt Nic Hague Gabriel Vilardi
6 Gabe Vilardi Owen Tippett Casey Mittelstadt Owen Tippett
7 Timothy Liljegren Michael Rasmussen Owen Tippett Eeli Tolvanen
8 Martin Necas Martin Necas Eeli Tolvanen Elias Pettersson
9 Cody Glass Eeli Tolvanen Gabe Vilardi Nicolas Hague
10 Kailer Yamamoto Klim Kostin Martin Necas Lias Andersson
11 Casey Mittelstadt Elias Pettersson Callan Foote Maxime Comtois
12 Nick Suzuki Cale Makar Michael Rasmussen Klim Kostin
13 Cale Makar Miro Heiskanen Cale Makar Juuso Valimaki
14 Kristian Vesalainen Cody Glass Maxime Comtois Kailer Yamamoto
15 Michael Rasmussen Lias Andersson Elias Pettersson Kristian Vesalainen
16 Miro Heiskanen Jusso Valimaki Juuso Valimaki Miro Heiskanen
17 Ivan Lodnia Ryan Poehling Kristian Vesalainen Ryan Poehling
18 Elias Pettersson Cal Foote Lias Andersson Cale Makar
19 Robert Thomas Kristian Vesalainen Erik Brannstrom Matthew Strome
20 Erik Brannstrom Shane Bowers Marcus Davidsson Michael Rasmussen
21 Lias Andersson Nic Hague Cody Glass Nick Suzuki
22 Ryan Poehling Maxime Comtois Ryan Poehling Callan Foote
23 Henri Jokiharju Kailer Yamamoto Matthew Strome Martin Necas
24 Alexei Lipanov Urho Vaakanainen Miro Heiskanen Marcus Davidsson
25 Callan Foote Jake Oettinger Scott Reedy Mike DiPietro
26 Nikita Popugaev Nikita Popugaev Urho Vaakanainen Scott Reedy
27 Filip Westerlund Nick Suzuki Jake Oettinger Urho Vaakanainen
28 Juuso Valimaki Isaac Ratcliffe Nikita Popugaev Erik Brannstrom
29 Maxime Comtois Matthew Strome Shane Bowers Isaac Ratcliffe
30 Aleksi Heponiemi Robert Thomas Pierre-Olivier Joseph Cody Glass
31 David Farrance Conor Timmins Luke Martin Sasha Chmelevski

Really surprised to see how far Rasmussen has fallen since earlier this season. I know he had an injury/surgery, but damn. The kid has size, skill, and not to mention the BC pedigree that I thought would send him soaring into our team. Sounds like barely even a top 10 anymore.

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2 minutes ago, EmilyM said:

Really surprised to see how far Rasmussen has fallen since earlier this season. I know he had an injury/surgery, but damn. The kid has size, skill, and not to mention the BC pedigree that I thought would send him soaring into our team. Sounds like barely even a top 10 anymore.

He's basically Virtanen.

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To be honest he's not even in my top 5:

 

  1. Patrick
  2. Hischier
  3. Mittelstadt
  4. Liljegren
  5. Makar

I don't think Vilardi has the elite offensive potential we should be looking for.  Reminds me way too much of Dubois for my liking.

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I'm interested in a 3 for 2 deal. Say we have a top-2 pick, & we added Tanev or Edler.

 

In return, land 3 nice pieces(eg: top-5 pick, great prospect,& tough bottom 6 fwd perhaps?). I haven't seen any of these jr kids to estimate accurately, but it might be a yr to fish for extra value, if the other team had surplus.

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A good comparison would be Eric Staal, perhaps?

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I think it'll be between Vilardi or Mittelstatd, and JB seems pretty keen on the latter, even though Vilardi is much younger. They're pretty similar, Vilardi has a bigger frame though and more room to grow and develop whereas Mittelstatd has put up some impressive USHL numbers. Neither will be elite, but both will be valuable top-6 centers in this league for a while and that's all we need to complement Horvat.

 

If I were JB I'd try to trade up hard for Hirschier.

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1st I would take Patrick, 2nd I would take Hischier.  But I would be fine with either or regardless of where we picked.

If we picked 3rd I would without a doubt want Vilardi (assuming the first two guys are gone).  I would still be thrilled if we ended up with Mittlestadt, Liljegren or Vilimaki, but only if we end up falling outside of the top 3.

 

I really hope we end up with one of those 6.

 

 

 

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