AZCanuck Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 If the Canucks end up at #2 and Nico goes first... Considering Patrick's lengthy injury history and often-questioned work ethic, would it be a better choice to go with a player like Vilardi who appears to be a safer pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeser6 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 26 minutes ago, AZCanuck said: If the Canucks end up at #2 and Nico goes first... Considering Patrick's lengthy injury history and often-questioned work ethic, would it be a better choice to go with a player like Vilardi who appears to be a safer pick? It would be very hard for them to pass on Patrick unless something really bothers them through the interview process and diligence on his attitude and habits or something comes up physical wise that bothers them Has too high of a ceiling relative to Vilardi but stranger things have happened. That being said, Benning's job in Vancouver would be forever tied to that decision. Would be a very 'ballsy' move - reality is taking Vilardi is safer from a hockey perspective but riskier from a professional one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanB Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Difficult choice. Could be a situation where it'd be foolish not to take Patrick at #2, but as you pointed out, there's an inherent risk with this kids injury history. It's the proverbial darned if you do / darned if you don't situation. Take him and he's a bust = shame on JB. Don't take him and he's a perennial 60-70 pt player = shame on JB - fun times! I would say take him and he becomes a point per game assistant captain, but you know - Canucks luck and all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Boeser6 said: It would be very hard for them to pass on Patrick unless something really bothers them through the interview process and diligence on his attitude and habits or something comes up physical wise that bothers them Has too high of a ceiling relative to Vilardi but stranger things have happened. That being said, Benning's job in Vancouver would be forever tied to that decision. Would be a very 'ballsy' move - reality is taking Vilardi is safer from a hockey perspective but riskier from a professional one. I think I'm still suffering from the "safe pick syndrome". Because I cringe whenever I hear that phrase. Probably because when the Canucks drafted Taylor Ellington, that's all I heard how it was a "safe pick". And we know how that one turned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeser6 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Just now, PlanB said: Difficult choice. Could be a situation where it'd be foolish not to take Patrick at #2, but as you pointed out, there's an inherent risk with this kids injury history. It's the proverbial darned if you do / darned if you don't situation. Take him and he's a bust = shame on JB. Don't take him and he's a perennial 60-70 pt player = shame on JB - fun times! I would say take him and he becomes a point per game assistant captain, but you know - Canucks luck and all.... If he busts, there's less risk on JB given his ranking, his (for the most part) scouting reports, etc. I think the risk is on JB if he takes Villardi and he becomes at best a 2/3c or even 4c and Patrick lights it up. No one complains when you stay in your lane and take the pick people expect - when you go off the board you stick your neck out there- So I think he's more damned if he doesn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeser6 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Just now, Ghostsof1915 said: I think I'm still suffering from the "safe pick syndrome". Because I cringe whenever I hear that phrase. Probably because when the Canucks drafted Taylor Ellington, that's all I heard how it was a "safe pick". And we know how that one turned out. Can't teach talent -I agree Size - check Speed- check Skill - check Center - check Attitude - only questioned by one article no one else has said boo - but every team will look into it and you can trust they will determine the reality -these are young kids don't forget Physical issues- only question mark you can never get a handle on- unlucky or brittle? only time will tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeser6 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: I think I'm still suffering from the "safe pick syndrome". Because I cringe whenever I hear that phrase. Probably because when the Canucks drafted Taylor Ellington, that's all I heard how it was a "safe pick". And we know how that one turned out. To add -if we're not taking Patrick I'd prefer to see us taking Mittlstadt - his ceiling is as high as the top 2 - only reason he's ranked lower is quality of competition If they took him I'd be less concerned - Vilardi I would SMH - We don't need Bo 2.0 as good as Bo is, we need a Niklas Backstrom / Henrik 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 51 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: I think I'm still suffering from the "safe pick syndrome". Because I cringe whenever I hear that phrase. Probably because when the Canucks drafted Taylor Ellington, that's all I heard how it was a "safe pick". And we know how that one turned out. Bryan Allen Jason Herter Shawn Antoski Dan Woodley Josh Holden Cody Hodgson All of them barring Antoski and Holden top 10 picks. All of them considered safe picks, all of them....well actually IIRC Hodgson had the better career of the bunch going back to...1985!!!! I'm ok going off the board and not taking the safe pick Edited for content, thanks Tas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 i don't think it will matter who JB takes, there will be people on here saying, he should have taken kopitar. i'm sure the canucks will do their due diligence and pick the player they deem the best pick. how any of these guys turn out is always a crap shoot. the players who appear to be the best, don't always end up being the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 If you get number 1 or a chance to take him. you gotta take Patrick hes injury prone yes but if we pass on him and goes on to have any sort of a career we'll be hearing about it for the next 20 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Just now, billabong said: If you get number 1 or a chance to take him. you gotta take Patrick hes injury prone yes but if we pass on him and goes on to have any sort of a career we'll be hearing about it for the next 20 years He's injury prone but if we take him and his injuries cause him to never progress past a 3rd line center, you're literally burying the teams only 1st overall pick ever The main cause of worry is the nature of his injuries which tend to be re-aggravated or reoccurring. Trading down is still the safer option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: He's injury prone but if we take him and his injuries cause him to never progress past a 3rd line center, you're literally burying the teams only 1st overall pick ever The main cause of worry is the nature of his injuries which tend to be re-aggravated or reoccurring. Trading down is still the safer option It is a big worry for sure and trading down allows us to get another prospect or pick. My bigger worry is that Aquaman won't allow JB to trade down in order to take advantage of the "marketing potential" that drafting the #1 overall would provide him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 26 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Taylor Ellington Jason Herter Shawn Antoski Dan Woodley Josh Holden Cody Hodgson All of them barring Antoski top 10 picks. All of them considered safe picks, all of them....well actually IIRC Hodgson had the better career of the bunch going back to...1985!!!! I'm ok going off the board and not taking the safe pick ellington was actually a top 3 pick ... ... in the second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, tas said: ellington was actually a top 3 pick ... ... in the second round. HA! So you're right And holden was a 12 Corrected** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 If you're at number two and Hischier's taken #1... trade down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: If you're at number two and Hischier's taken #1... trade down. The risk of not taking Patrick or trading down to not take him would be the same for management if he becomes a 1C and avoids injuries to have a good career. Plus the optics of trading down when you finally get a top 2 pick would need to be considered. The only reason to do it is to hit a homerun not take a safe pick. Our safe picks rarely work out. Take a chance JB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I don't know why but Vilardi just seems like a vegas pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adarsh Sant Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 If we get #2 see what we can trade for from other teams. If we can't get anything decent take Patrick. He has a high ceiling. Every pick has risk in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 56 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: If you're at number two and Hischier's taken #1... trade down. Trade down and draft Mittelstadt? If not Mittelstadt then maybe Rasmussen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I am not a Patrick fan. Reminds me of Patrick Stephan. I would be very nervous picking him. He may turn out to be good , but with the current info , id be hesitant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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