PhillipBlunt Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 56 minutes ago, Rocksterh8 said: Would you trade Horvat + 2nd for Eichel ? Not a chance in hell. Horvat's the man, and only getting better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaNuCkSLoUiE23 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I knew Eichel was going to have character problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 1 hour ago, S'all Good Man said: I just wonder how Murray feels about being publicly given an ultimatum by a 20 year old? If this was Virtanen - granted he's a tier below JE - I would think Benning would find him a new home pretty quick. If it was Bo... sheesh, that's a tough one. Doesn't it open the door for other guys to make demands? And is he really that bad of a coach? Seems to me we'd probably give him a solid look if he was on the market. goodluck getting more than a 2nd round pick for Virtnanen.. At which point, it is best to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunjabiCanucks Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 2017 1st + Tanev? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 1 minute ago, PunjabiCanucks said: 2017 1st + Tanev? In a second. But it's easier to let Bylsma walk even though maybe Eichel is a cancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 1 hour ago, S'all Good Man said: I just wonder how Murray feels about being publicly given an ultimatum by a 20 year old? If this was Virtanen - granted he's a tier below JE - I would think Benning would find him a new home pretty quick. If it was Bo... sheesh, that's a tough one. Doesn't it open the door for other guys to make demands? And is he really that bad of a coach? Seems to me we'd probably give him a solid look if he was on the market. Probably not the coach for a team with young players. From the Buffalo News: [...] The GM knows he wants changes in the player-coach relationship, including more communication from the coaches. “Maybe they can put a coffee in their hand once in a while and do two hours of video instead of three and get out and get to know our players, talk to our players,” Murray said. “It’s about coaching individuals a little more and coaching system a little less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Rocksterh8 said: Would you trade Horvat + 2nd for Eichel ? Yes. Eichel has elite all over him and, as much as it sucks to lose Bo, Eichel is going to be a superstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleShield Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Provided he isn't locker room cancer, Eichel is better than any player in this year's draft. In reality, he's probably the 1st overall pick in any draft in the last 10 years with the exception of McDavid. Even if we win the lottery, I'd trade 1st overall + 33rd overall for Eichel in a heartbeat, or even 1st overall + one of out top D for Eichel and Minnesota's 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 2 hours ago, b3. said: Ball4rd + Raym0nd + 2nd for E1chel Overpayment, he wants out and is clearly a locker room diva. E1chel + 3rd/4th as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Raymond + Ballard + 1st?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Not a chance in hell. Horvat's the man, and only getting better. Gotta disagree with you there. As much as Bo has improved, Jack undoubtedly has the higher upside. He outscored Bo in fewer games played and from his draft year was already touted as basically a "generational" talent, alongside Connor McDavid. As good as Horvat is and will grow to become (already a low-end 1st line center), he'll likely top out as a Ryan O'Reilly (who is excellent in his own right) while Jack should at least become Seguin or better, an elite true #1 center who can shoulder a team's offensive load and be a difference maker. In depth charts Jack would rank above Bo, no question, and while Bo would likely become an all-around force you just don't pass up on "generational" if you had the chance to get them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 2 hours ago, theminister said: It's a BS report. 1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: According to WGR 550, Buffalo Sabres general manager Tim Murray is meeting with ownership today after Jack Eichel's comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I may be in the minority, but I don't feel that Eichel will ever be the "Generational" talent that he has been billed to be. I think he will be a great player, but more in Stamkos class than Crosby/Ovechkin/McDavid/Matthews. With that said, I can't think of a player of his potential and age that has been traded since Eric Lindros. It would cost something along the lines of your best young player, your best prospect, and a 1st to even get Buffalo to consider trading him. In our case, I think you are looking at Tanev or Horvat +Boesser or Joulevi+ our 1st in 2017. I just don't feel that this would be worth it in any way for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I like the idea of Tanev and our 1st, but no way the Canucks should trade Horvat, Boeser or Juolevi. Maybe if Eichel reaches 60 pts on an NHL team and loses the attitude, then BUF would really have something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whale Tail Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 He is probably bitter about loosing out on that 2 mill bonus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeser6 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 2 hours ago, The Sedge said: Not a great look for a young player, regardless of how he feels about his coach. Jack should watch what he says. Exactly, If you're not happy with the coach keep your mouth shut, play hard and when its time to re-sign if he's still here demand a trade for personal reasons - makes me think either 1. He didn't say it and its media bs 2. He's got way to big of a chip on his shoulder for a kid who's only been in the league for 2 years - zero class and maturity if so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeser6 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 21 minutes ago, BCNate said: I may be in the minority, but I don't feel that Eichel will ever be the "Generational" talent that he has been billed to be. I think he will be a great player, but more in Stamkos class than Crosby/Ovechkin/McDavid/Matthews. With that said, I can't think of a player of his potential and age that has been traded since Eric Lindros. It would cost something along the lines of your best young player, your best prospect, and a 1st to even get Buffalo to consider trading him. In our case, I think you are looking at Tanev or Horvat +Boesser or Joulevi+ our 1st in 2017. I just don't feel that this would be worth it in any way for us. You're overrating Eichel based on media and his draft position Horvat straight across is equivalent as you gain character and pretty much the same amount of points (right now) and 2 way play. Not that I'd do it but that's the equivalent trade No chance you have to give up 3 players for a kid whos put up 55-60 pts - one of which has already done the same and the others may hit those marks too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeser6 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 30 minutes ago, Phil_314 said: Gotta disagree with you there. As much as Bo has improved, Jack undoubtedly has the higher upside. He outscored Bo in fewer games played and from his draft year was already touted as basically a "generational" talent, alongside Connor McDavid. As good as Horvat is and will grow to become (already a low-end 1st line center), he'll likely top out as a Ryan O'Reilly (who is excellent in his own right) while Jack should at least become Seguin or better, an elite true #1 center who can shoulder a team's offensive load and be a difference maker. In depth charts Jack would rank above Bo, no question, and while Bo would likely become an all-around force you just don't pass up on "generational" if you had the chance to get them. He's not generational talent and your comparison suggests it (a good one) - Seguin, All star, excellent offensive player but not a generational talent Plus you're taking a cancer if this kid REALLY made this demand/ultimatum - what GM or coach will want him if he can mouth off and get people fired? That's what lowers his trade value now. I'd never trade Bo for him one for one- Bo is brings more to a franchise (when you consider character, leadership, 2 way play, and obviously maturity, etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Boeser6 said: You're overrating Eichel based on media and his draft position Horvat straight across is equivalent as you gain character and pretty much the same amount of points (right now) and 2 way play. Not that I'd do it but that's the equivalent trade No chance you have to give up 3 players for a kid whos put up 55-60 pts - one of which has already done the same and the others may hit those marks too I think I am one of the few who don't buy into the hype around him. I do think he will be a star player, but not at that generational level. I didn't say that I would trade those three pieces for Eichel, I simply said that would be what it take to get him. Buffalo laughs if you only offer Horvat, as 29 other team will blow that offer away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeser6 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, BCNate said: I think I am one of the few who don't buy into the hype around him. I do think he will be a star player, but not at that generational level. I didn't say that I would trade those three pieces for Eichel, I simply said that would be what it take to get him. Buffalo laughs if you only offer Horvat, as 29 other team will blow that offer away. fair enough but i dont think any teams would blow that away in quality - quantity sure but you're not getting from any team a player as good as Horvat plus a 1st and the teams best offensive prospect for Eichel - no team is going to make that move Horvat or equiv - 60-70 pts Boeser 60-70 pts (potential) 1st rounder who knows but could have the same impact No team is trading 180-210 pts for 85 -that gets people fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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