[Signing] Tryamkin goes to the KHL

[FireGillis]

37 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

Thing is, how is that fair?  If a team builds chemistry, works hard and "gets competitive", and he wants to waltz back in.  Seems to me he should start all over again and prove that he deserves to be there if that is the case.

 

I don't like making "a" player into a big deal, one who demands or expects things.  I like the team to be comprised of players who do work hard and earn it.  He is big and showed some promise but, beyond that, he hasn't really done that yet.

What? If he comes back in a few years, then it should be treated like signing a free agent. Is it fair louie waltzed into the team this year after all that chemistry built up by the team?  It'll be no different than sobotka coming back to the blues this year after his khl stint. If he wants to come back in the future, I will welcome him back with open arms!

[Jiggs50]

37 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

Thing is, how is that fair?  If a team builds chemistry, works hard and "gets competitive", and he wants to waltz back in.  Seems to me he should start all over again and prove that he deserves to be there if that is the case.

 

I don't like making "a" player into a big deal, one who demands or expects things.  I like the team to be comprised of players who do work hard and earn it.  He is big and showed some promise but, beyond that, he hasn't really done that yet.

Fair or not we need/want him. He's going to play monster minutes in the khl and hopefully get better while we rebuild.

 

Why be opposed to adding a top 4 dman in the future when the playoffs could be a possibility and the team is on come up? 

 

He's making the best decision for himself. While it sucks for us, I have no hate for him. 

 

[smithers joe]

15 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

Kassian needed to hit bottom and wasn't quite there yet.   An accident was likely the turning point, not anything related to what we didn't do.  It's sad that we gave up on him, but if he hadn't crashed that truck he may still be all over the map.  I am happy he's turned it around, but don't feel him playing more minutes was the key to that.

 

There is more to a picture and I feel that's the case here.  The day we act on what players demand is the day we will have 30 of them all wanting the same things.  Coaches are in place for a reason.

good point, big casino. my thoughts too. people always have to find someone to blame and will move facts around so their opinions sound creditable. 

[Mustapha]

1 minute ago, Baggins said:

What do you disagree with? That sitting him out wasn't a violation of the terms of his contract or the not sending him to the AHL part? They asked him to go on a conditioning stint. Nothing more. He declined. So they didn't send him. So management lived up to it's end of the contract. Don't see how you can disagree with that.

You could also argue that Tryamkin didn't keep his end of the bargain by showing up to camp out of shape. 

[Salmonberries]

1 minute ago, soshified said:

It's obvious that he just wanted to go back home and live in his home area with his family. If he wanted to stay in North America and played in the NHL, he would have. 

 

How come now we are arguing about his ice time and "conditioning stint"? But during the season we didn't? We all thought it was a good idea for Tryamkin to do some conditioning work when he showed up out of shape. We didn't argue about his ice time during the season, and the media definitely didn't let it be known.

 

People arguing are just grasping for straws and trying to pinpoint management. It's not Tryamkin fault, but also not management's. The guy simply just wanted to go home. 

Don't you think his having a really negative first experience might have greased the rails a little bit in that regard?

[Jiggs50]

Just now, FireGillis said:

What? If he comes back in a few years, then it should be treated like signing a free agent. Is it fair louie waltzed into the team this year after all that chemistry built up by the team?  It'll be no different than sobotka coming back to the blues this year after his khl stint. If he wants to come back in the future, I will welcome him back with open arms!

This!

[Honky Cat]

I believe his reasons for going back to the KHL are 90% cultural and personal...and 10% dissatisfied with the ice time,league,coach etc....All of that stuff that happened at the beginning of the season was well in the rear view mirror,he was playing a regular shift for 2/3 of the season.

 

I'm speculating,...but I wouldn't be surprised that his new bride was very unhappy here (obviously cut off from friends,language,culture)....I think his decision to return to the KHL has been in his books for quite sometime.

[TheGuardian_]

2 minutes ago, Jaimito said:

JB offered him two years. He didn't take it, and so it is.

at least he cant go to any other NHL team. If he still dreams of playing in the NHL, then nux are it unless they trade away his rights.

 

perhaps when he develops to a point where he will be fit and good enough to play 20mijs for the entire season, he will coke back and play.  The team should be more competitive in a couple of years. He didn't sign long term in khl, did he? 

Two years at 1.1 mil, no clauses, trips to AHL.

 

20 mins a game, heard that he was playing 30+ mins in the KHL playoffs with a separated shoulder..

 

Contract likely has an "out" clause, most do. Terms not out yet.

 

Pedan certainly would have been a good role model for truculence and communication. The twin towers.

[Baggins]

13 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

WD in 2015

“If you look at a guy like Sven Baertschi, if our total focus is just on (winning) and he’s struggling, he probably doesn’t get to play and we lose him. We lose him. I truthfully think, in a strange sense, we had a good year for getting where we need to be. The ice time Tryamkin got at the end of the year, Horvat having to go against all the big guys, Baertschi getting to play, Hutton making the team, Jake (Virtanen) staying with the team, Markstrom getting to play down the stretch. There’s no part of me that thinks losing is good, but we got some things done that we needed to last year.

 

2016 roles around, WD doesn't play Trymakin and guess what....We lose him. 

 

Good job WD, and good residence. 

Maybe he should have shown up in shape.....

[smithers joe]

benning will probably dig up another big d-man. we'll be okay.

[TimberWolf]

8 minutes ago, HorvatToBaertschi said:

I think he comes back.

Quote me if you want. 

I think he has a killer year in the KHL, we extend him for a ridiculous contract (compared to what he's worth) and he's back. Itd be worth it.

Only thing that would block us from negotiating would be a killer year from either Juolevi, Subban (unlikely as hell be call up most likely), or Pedan. 

 

I think we'll trade his rights for some bottom feeder we could have got on waivers. 

[Salmonberries]

2 minutes ago, Honky Cat said:

I believe his reasons for going back to the KHL are 90% cultural and personal...and 10% dissatisfied with the ice time,league,coach etc....All of that stuff that happened at the beginning of the season was well in the rear view mirror,he was playing a regular shift for 2/3 of the season.

 

I'm speculating,...but I wouldn't be surprised that his new bride was very unhappy here (obviously cut off from friends,language,culture)....I think his decision to return to the KHL has been in his books for quite sometime.

I think you're probably in the ballpark with your assessment Honky Cat.

[Jaimito]

"This isn’t the first time Vancouver has lost a young Russian player to the KHL. Artem Chubarov left for his homeland during the NHL lockout season in 2004-05 and never came back. Second-round pick Kirill Koltsov made a similar move while with their AHL affiliate in 2005, as did Sergei Shirokov in 2011."

 

http://www.bing.com/news/apiclick.aspx?ref=BDIGeneric&aid=C98EA5B0842DBB9405BBF071E1DA7651530FFE51&tid=D00C1827B0144CA49EB207957DA77BC3&url=http%3a%2f%2fdailyhive.com%2fvancouver%2fcanucks-statement-nikita-tryamkin-khl-russia-2017&c=7683911193470085043&mkt=en-us

 

 

 

[oldnews]

36 minutes ago, HomeBrew said:

That actually just proves exactly what Tryamkin was saying in his interview. One night he could be playing over 21 minutes of ice time, the next only 12 minutes. 

Lol.  NIce cherry pick.

 

Look again.  He played between 15 and 21 minutes a night for the last 15 games.

Actually, that was the case for 52 of his games this season.

 

Five of his lowest ice times came in back to backs - primarily where you'd see him in the 12 minute range.  Context matters.

 

No one can deny that there were times that Tryamkin looked tired - he faded at points of the long season - he wasn't terribly impressive at times wadr.

He's a rookie in his first, long, gruelling haul of an NHL season.

 

If it were simply an ice-time dispute - there's not much grounds to a protest.  A rookie D that average 16/17 minutes = pretty gd good ice time.

 

Particularly when you make this decision AFTER the coach was fired.

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that it isn't that simple.

 

[Mustapha]

I dont get this 'Tryamkin won't play if he comes back' nonsense

 

Pretty sure training camp will go a long way to deciding that.

 

Especially with new coaches, you would think, if Tryamkin is as good as he thinks,  that he would prove it in camp.

 

Beware players that take the easy way out. Major red flag. Don't want whiny passengers on this team.

[Nucker 67]

Hmm, I wonder if he'll continue with his English lessons. I would venture to guess "nyet?" 

 

The Canucks divisional rivals just got a lot happier knowing they don't have to face him again, and that the Canucks got a little softer. Tryamkin was getting a reputation as being a player to stay away from and be aware of.

[Baggins]

2 minutes ago, oldnews said:

Lol.  NIce cherry pick.

 

Look again.  He played between 15 and 21 minutes a night for the last 15 games.

Actually, that was the case for 52 of his games this season.

 

No one can deny that there were times that Tryamkin looked tired - he faded at points of the long season - he wasn't terribly impressive at times wadr.

He's a rookie in his first, long, gruelling haul of an NHL season.

 

If it were simply an ice-time dispute - there's not much grounds to a protest.

 

Particularly when you make this decision AFTER the coach was fired.

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that it isn't that simple.

 

It was better to use ice time as an excuse than say the wife and I miss our mommy's so we're going home.

[Jaimito]

6 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said:

Two years at 1.1 mil, no clauses, trips to AHL.

 

20 mins a game, heard that he was playing 30+ mins in the KHL playoffs with a separated shoulder..

 

Contract likely has an "out" clause, most do. Terms not out yet.

 

Pedan certainly would have been a good role model for truculence and communication. The twin towers.

that was the hope, two Russian towers. this opens up a roster spot for Pedan to crack for sure.  You can't have enough D men, look at 2011. As long Tram still wants to play in NHL, nux will still have an asset.

 

Look at Radulov, back and forth, and him helping Habs quite well now.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/canadiens-sign-russian-khl-star-alexander-radulov/

 

 

We aren't contending for a cup in couple of years, so it's not like we lost the chance to win.

[Mathew Barzal]

Welp, Malar/Heiskanen and Dahlin. Here we come.

[Derp...]

30 minutes ago, Me_ said:

Luck is the result of hard work.

It is hard to tank your right. So was Edmonton working harder at tanking, and that's why they got McDavid? The Luck the acquired from working hard at being bad for so long?