R35Godz1lla Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: The problem is that these guys running the show seem to be on hallucinogenics and are not being proactive but reactive. They can't seem to get anything done or decide what to do. Rebuild, no rebuild, re-tool, no re-tool, players make the decisions for management, see Sedins decision and managements decision not to rebuild while they are here because it is unfair, Linden still says this is not a rebuild, denial somewhere. The team is better than 3 years ago, really? 69 points?, Scoring way down, Goals against up, Key players older, signing little players just for the regular season, did anyone see how Lucic held off Stecher with one hand from the blue line in? Size matters. This is not reactionary on my part, I have been posting this will happen for 4 years now, everyone knows it here. The lack of trying to build a winning team is so evident it is a surprise there are so many fanatics still left. And talk about wagon jumpers, look at past posts, this management group will be dog crap as soon as the next group is hired and all the problems are dumped on them. Just like happened with Gillis and Nonis. Gillis left the prospect pool empty spare Horvat and Hutton. Nonis traded for Luongo, but other than that did jack all. At least Benning has drafted/signed & traded for a good number of under 25 players who have lots of potential. I like how you ignored the lists a couple posters outlined for you earlier in the thread, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted April 20, 2017 Author Share Posted April 20, 2017 24 minutes ago, R35Godz1lla said: Vrbata - Gone - Moot Point Miller - Most consistent player night in and night out for the last 3 years & we had the space Dorsett - Over payed by maybe 1 mill, but then his contract will expire before we contend again. Sbisa was getting paid very reasonably this year and for the latter half of last year, contracts are going up each year, keep up with trends please. Sutter, not a fancy stat darling but does everything that anyone who has every played hockey loves in a team mate, will help bring rookies along, contract is up right around the time we should be fighting for the playoffs. Eriksson - Eh, 1 year to long 1 mill too much, but that's the cost of a high profile UFA, one that the majority of this board wanted last summer. If he has a resurgence ( Which I feel he can and will have ) to 45/55 points, we wont hear anything about him going forward, like Sutter he does allot of little things that don't make highlight packages. Hansen - Yah, no, Sedins are not going anywhere. That 500k is probably what got the deal done. Baertschi - Why not? What does it hurt the team in the long term? He will earn it next year so really, I say again, why not? Tanev - You are all over Gilli's and his contracts and complain about a very Gilli's esq contract? As far as cap problems go we are not even at the draft yet Benning has the entire summer to make some moves, + expansion draft is coming. What does it matter anyways? We are not looking to sign any UFA's and in 18-19 we are projected right now with 42 Million Dollars of cap space. The point of mentioning some of those contracts is two fold, one the money wasted and the spot taken up for another young guy to get a chance, also in hindsight, finishing in a lottery spot might have been better for the Canucks. And two everyone blamed Gillis for clause contracts and ignore the fact that Benning handcuffed himself even more. Concussion Sven? There is a very good chance this will change him or the way he plays and in the playoffs. Miller was okay THIS year, the other two years he wasn't in the top 30 goalies. And when it is known in the media that he only wants to sign on the west coast and there are no other teams needing an old goalie, why give him 6 mil a year? Why not less? Why not just sign one of the other younger goalies for less money or why sign him at all, just have Lack and Markstrom as a tandem the team didn't/weren't going to win anything anyway until they have the replacement for the Sedins. Two scoring champs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Just now, R35Godz1lla said: Gillis left the prospect pool empty spare Horvat and Hutton. Nonis traded for Luongo, but other than that did jack all. At least Benning has drafted/signed & traded for a good number of under 25 players who have lots of potential. I like how you ignored the lists a couple posters outlines for you earlier in the thread, Of course he did. Why acknowledge positives when you can make up some negatives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 1 minute ago, TheGuardian_ said: The point of mentioning some of those contracts is two fold, one the money wasted and the spot taken up for another young guy to get a chance, also in hindsight, finishing in a lottery spot might have been better for the Canucks. And two everyone blamed Gillis for clause contracts and ignore the fact that Benning handcuffed himself even more. Concussion Sven? There is a very good chance this will change him or the way he plays and in the playoffs. Miller was okay THIS year, the other two years he wasn't in the top 30 goalies. And when it is known in the media that he only wants to sign on the west coast and there are no other teams needing an old goalie, why give him 6 mil a year? Why not less? Why not just sign one of the other younger goalies for less money or why sign him at all, just have Lack and Markstrom as a tandem the team didn't/weren't going to win anything anyway until they have the replacement for the Sedins. Two scoring champs. Do you have any proof that the concussion changed Baertschi or his game? Or are you just making stuff up again? Probably because the season prior Miller had posted impressive numbers on the worst time in the league. Besides, it's officially moot now as his contract is up this summer and it's a crap shoot on whether he gets re-signed or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R35Godz1lla Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 1 minute ago, TheGuardian_ said: The point of mentioning some of those contracts is two fold, one the money wasted and the spot taken up for another young guy to get a chance, also in hindsight, finishing in a lottery spot might have been better for the Canucks. And two everyone blamed Gillis for clause contracts and ignore the fact that Benning handcuffed himself even more. Concussion Sven? There is a very good chance this will change him or the way he plays and in the playoffs. Miller was okay THIS year, the other two years he wasn't in the top 30 goalies. And when it is known in the media that he only wants to sign on the west coast and there are no other teams needing an old goalie, why give him 6 mil a year? Why not less? Why not just sign one of the other younger goalies for less money or why sign him at all, just have Lack and Markstrom as a tandem the team didn't/weren't going to win anything anyway until they have the replacement for the Sedins. Two scoring champs. But they did finish in a lottery spot last year. They have as good a chance as anyone to get Matthews outside of Toronto. The lottery draw went the way of the Jets ( Who finished better than the Canucks ) and we not only missed out on Matthews but also on Laine, PLD and Pujujarvi. Can't plame lottery %'s on Benning. How has Benning handcuffed himself even more? Which of his moves are going to hurt the teams flexibility in the next 2 years, years in which we will probably be drafting top 10 again? Oh, so when Benning signed Sven he should have checked his crystal ball to see if he would get hurt? Yah okay . . . also, thanks Dr.Recchi for the prognosis on Sven's health. Again, what does it matter that we paid Miller 6mill per year, who did we miss out on? Lack has been trash since the trade, Markstrom still needs more consistency. If you say you wanted Lack/Markstrom to Tank with, I say again . . . . Ownership appears to have wanted 1 if not 2 more playoff attempts ( whether for the Sedins sake, or for $$$, we will never know ) so the team was never going to tank before this year anyways, last years was an organic progression of the teams lack of NHL ready prospects and the decline of the old core. I think Benning thought the team could maybe compete this year if everything went right and instead everything went wrong and you could see that they embraced it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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theminister Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said: Do you have any proof that the concussion changed Baertschi or his game? Or are you just making stuff up again? Probably because the season prior Miller had posted impressive numbers on the worst time in the league. Besides, it's officially moot now as his contract is up this summer and it's a crap shoot on whether he gets re-signed or not. And kept Lack he said? But he's was traded for two picks which turned into Brisebois and MacKenzie. Which is a rebuilding move. And moved Bieksa at the same draft for a pick which was traded down 9 spots in the Sutter trade and taken Lockwood, which is another rebuilding move. This was 2 years ago, one year into JBs tenure, but the rebuild just started and is 2-3 years too late? It's a game of constantly shifting goalposts. The point always missed by this poster, and will continue to be, is that the Sedins were untradeable 3 years ago and will remain so unless they say otherwise. There is no option there, no gameplanning to be done. They don't want to play anywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R35Godz1lla Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, theminister said: And kept Lack he said? But he's was traded for two picks which turned into Brisebois and MacKenzie. Which is a rebuilding move. And moved Bieksa at the same draft for a pick which was traded down 9 spots in the Sutter trade and taken Lockwood, which is another rebuilding move. This was 2 years ago, one year into JBs tenure, but the rebuild just started and is 2-3 years too late? It's a game of constantly shifting goalposts. The point always missed by this poster, and will continue to be, is that the Sedins were untradeable 3 years ago and will remain so unless they say otherwise. There is no option there, no gameplanning to be done. They don't want to play anywhere else. The Sedins are also a unique issue as well in that there are 2 of them at 7mill each. Not just one over the hill vet at 6-8mill. Makes building a new core harder when 2/6 of your offensive slots are already taken, and the 3'rd member of their line has to fit them and their play style. Not speaking ill of the Sedins per se, just pointing out the issues with trying to move forward with them on the team at their current contract $$$. Also, tanking with them is made harder because despite their drop in play they will still win a team the odd game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 16 minutes ago, R35Godz1lla said: Nonis traded for Luongo, but other than that did jack all. Nonis' wasted a ton of picks on crap trade deadline deals but you're underrating him a bit IMHO. Edler (no, not the version we have now; but the guy that put up 30-40 points for four seasons). Yeah being part of the #1 power play helped but he did his part. Was a "monster" in one LA playoff series. Schneider (we can only hope Demko can reach his level) Hansen Raymond Grabner (not his fault Gillis' dumped him) Signed UFA Mitchell (we can only hope Guds can reach this level) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 17 minutes ago, R35Godz1lla said: Gillis left the prospect pool empty spare Horvat and Hutton. Nonis traded for Luongo, but other than that did jack all. At least Benning has drafted/signed & traded for a good number of under 25 players who have lots of potential. I like how you ignored the lists a couple posters outlined for you earlier in the thread, Nonis: Schneider, Edler, Jannick Hansen, Bourdon (RIP). Not quite jack all, but his later drafts were horrible Gillis : found and signed tanev as well, we can give him credit for that. Plus Gaunce was a pretty solid bottom 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 17 minutes ago, R35Godz1lla said: The Sedins are also a unique issue as well in that there are 2 of them at 7mill each. Not just one over the hill vet at 6-8mill. Makes building a new core harder when 2/6 of your offensive slots are already taken, and the 3'rd member of their line has to fit them and their play style. Not speaking ill of the Sedins per se, just pointing out the issues with trying to move forward with them on the team at their current contract $$$. Also, tanking with them is made harder because despite their drop in play they will still win a team the odd game. I understand completely. The uniqueness of the situation that JBTL stepped into is not lost on me. In fact, I think it took guts to accept the job. They didn't sign the contracts, that was MG's final move, but they had to deal with the reality of them and having few prospects in the 20-23yo range. The true focus was always going to be on the years immediately following the end of those deals but they chose not to come out and say that, which is understandable to me. I think intelligent people should have seen that writing on the wall. What they did instead was attempt to plug that gap as best they could, turn over the roster, and wait out NTC years they couldn't trade at the time (Sedins & Burr). Meanwhile they tried to add character guys to play during these intermittent years to round out a roster and provide some measure of stability rather than have all 1-2 year contract turnovers. It's been ugly because they inherited ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R35Godz1lla Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Nonis' wasted a ton of picks on crap trade deadline deals but you're underrating him a bit IMHO. Edler (no, not the version we have now; but the guy that put up 30-40 points for four seasons). Yeah being part of the #1 power play helped but he did his part. Was a "monster" in one LA playoff series. Schneider (we can only hope Demko can reach his level) Hansen Raymond Grabner (not his fault Gillis' dumped him) Signed UFA Mitchell (we can only hope Guds can reach this level) I have to apologize, I have blocked out the Nonis days from my memories, so much 2-1, 1-0 trap hockey, Edler, Schneider and Hansen are all wins, which is not bad, but not great for 3 years of drafting. Raymond does get a bit of a bad rap but he also never really did much while here, same with Grabner, lots of speed but not much else. He has had moments of success, but really its only with NYR that he has found a true fit this year. 3 minutes ago, DSVII said: Gillis : found and signed tanev as well, we can give him credit for that. Plus Gaunce was a pretty solid bottom 4. I am not slagging on Gillis so much as stating the facts that most of his picks where either on the team or destined for mediocrity by the time Benning rolled into town. Now maybe his lack of prospects was because he was told to win at any cost each and every year? But with that said he traded away so many picks for so so returns. Like picking up Derek, Roy, . If his trades had netted returns that we saw longer lasting benefits for fine. At least with Benning ( So far ) allot of the returns on spent assets are still with the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 This poster must be a masochist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 15 minutes ago, DSVII said: Nonis: Schneider, Edler, Jannick Hansen, Bourdon (RIP). Not quite jack all, but his later drafts were horrible Gillis : found and signed tanev as well, we can give him credit for that. Plus Gaunce was a pretty solid bottom 4. At least part of the reason was him dealing picks for horrible rentals. Here's a "taste" of those rentals: Noronen & Ouellet - two guys that couldn't even hack it as a backup goalie for us (cost us a 2nd & a 5th) Keith Carney - not THAT bad a player but not the type we needed (we needed to replace at least some of what we lost [offense skills] in Jovo who was hurt & we didn't know when he'd be back. Cost us a 2nd round pick + D prospect Weinrich - LOL too slow for even the OLD NHL (clutch & grab). Cost us a 3rd round pick Brown - blech. Cost us a 4th round pick McCarthy - blech. Cost us a 3rd round pick This all happened in one season! Out of all those "ham & eggers" (Bobby the Brain Heenan reference heh...), ONLY Carney played in the league after their rental expired (that's how good they were....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam126 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Does OP even read what he says before he posts it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Just now, Mathew Barzal said: This poster must be a masochist. We're all Canuckfans - but definition we're all masochists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 1 hour ago, R35Godz1lla said: Chill buddy, it's not like you pay the teams salary. Probably one of the dumbest arguments I hear from time to time when it comes to sports. I don't play for the team either, so should I not have an interest in them? Ridiculous. Team management is a huge part of being a fan, and the salary cap is a huge part of team management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Usually Guardian threads are painfully obvious, but this one I don't even... This might be the worst Guardian thread ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 1 hour ago, TheGuardian_ said: Concussion Sven? There is a very good chance this will change him or the way he plays and in the playoffs. Wow. This is complete and utter BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Jam126 said: Does OP even read what he says before he posts it? I'm pretty sure it just flows out of him like verbal diarrhea while he's in a trance like state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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