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Most Outrageously Underrated Canucks D-Men in History?

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2 hours ago, Kevin Biestra said:

I hear a lot of talk about overrating defensemen around here and even hear talk of some very underrated d-men being overrated.  Let's give these guys their due, once and for all...

 

1. Doug Lidster.  His 63 points from the blueline in one season still stand as a Canucks record 30 years later.  We sent him packing and he won two Stanley Cups with two different teams.

 

2. Dave Babych.  Still the only Canucks d-man to ever score a hat trick, and over 700 points from the blueline in his career.  That was top 20 all-time in NHL history at the time he retired, if I recall correctly.  Guaranteed top-25.

 

3. Dana Murzyn.  I don't know how he can be overrated if he is universally regarded as a pylon?  Notable part of the Cup winning Calgary team in '89, notable part of the '94 Cup final team with the Canucks.  People are calling him overrated even now, when I have yet to read a kind word on this forum.

 

4. Rick Lanz.  Rick who?  Exactly.  Two 50+ point seasons for us on the blueline, and a third with 48.  We sent him packing for Jim Benning.

 

5. Doug Halward.  Doug Who?  Exactly.  52 points for us in 1982-83.

 

6. Kevin McCarthy.  Our captain in 1982 before he went down with injury and Stan Smyl led us to the final (co-piloted for Richard Brodeur, that is).  Four 40-point seasons on the blueline for us, and 53 points in 1980-81.

 

7. Dale Tallon.  Hated on because he wasn't Gilbert Perreault, just like Barry Pederson was hated on for not being Cam Neely.  Both were very good contributors as Canucks.  Tallon scored 56 points on the blueline for us one year (as a rookie defenseman), and got 62 one season for the Blackhawks after we traded him.

 

8. Dennis Kearns.  51, 60 and 47 points in three straight seasons for us on the blueline.

 

9. Robert Dirk.  Robert who?  The throw-in for the Ronning / Courtnall trade ended up being important and reliable defensive depth for the 1994 run.  We would have loved to have him for Game 7 against Boston.

 

10. Mario Marois.  We had him for 50 games early in his career and gave up on him.  He ended up playing 955 games in the NHL as a reliable blueliner that was an asset to every team he played for, like the Mike Sillinger of defensemen.

that is a good list,

I'd add Randy Greig. Played one season and helped stablize the D a few years before the 94 run.

He was the pre Ryan Walter of defense

 

Re: Marois, he was a good journeyman, granted but you make it sound like we gave him away. In fact we received an allstar goalie, colour man and food critic. We might have gotten more in return than when we traded Bob Dailey for Jack MacIllhargy  

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16 minutes ago, lmm said:

that is a good list,

I'd add Randy Greig. Played one season and helped stablize the D a few years before the 94 run.

He was the pre Ryan Walter of defense

 

Re: Marois, he was a good journeyman, granted but you make it sound like we gave him away. In fact we received an allstar goalie, colour man and food critic. We might have gotten more in return than when we traded Bob Dailey for Jack MacIllhargy  

I think we got John Garrett for Anders Eldebrink.  The return for Mario Marois (a couple years earlier) was Garry Lariviere (also a defenseman, three years older, played 219 NHL games).  We traded Lariviere the same day to Edmonton for the very good Blair MacDonald who was more at the end of the line than Barry Pederson or Mike Ridley when we got them.  He went from 94 points with the Oilers the year before to retired after a total of 88 games over three seasons with Vancouver.

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3 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said:

We got John Garrett for Anders Eldebrink.  The return for Mario Marois (a couple years earlier) was Garry Lariviere (also a defenseman, three years older, played 219 NHL games).

Right, I stand corrected, everything I thought I knew about hockey has been dashed.

 

Then I'll add Gary Doak.

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3 hours ago, Kevin Biestra said:

3. Dana Murzyn.  I don't know how he can be overrated if he is universally regarded as a pylon?  Notable part of the Cup winning Calgary team in '89, notable part of the '94 Cup final team with the Canucks.  People are calling him overrated even now, when I have yet to read a kind word on this forum.

 

 

We were actually real lucky that year when Murzyn got hurt. He was terrible; worse than Sbisa terrible.

We had Brian Glynn step in which solidified our back six, with the aforementioned Dirk, for a solid run at the cup.

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33 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said:

I think we got John Garrett for Anders Eldebrink.  The return for Mario Marois (a couple years earlier) was Garry Lariviere (also a defenseman, three years older, played 219 NHL games).  We traded Lariviere the same day to Edmonton for the very good Blair MacDonald who was more at the end of the line than Barry Pederson or Mike Ridley when we got them.  He went from 94 points with the Oilers the year before to retired after a total of 88 games over three seasons with Vancouver.

BJ MacDonald, classic sell high for Slats. Didn't he say, after the trade, " A fire hydrant could score 50 goals beside Gretzky"?

 

Eldebrink- 43 games as I Canuck, sold high, 12 games as a Nordique and HE brought us an allstar, colourman and food critic. The loss was less but the return the same as if it was Marois.

 

Put Eldebrink on the list!!!

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7 minutes ago, hlinkas wrister said:

Sami Salo. God I miss his point shot

If anything, Salo gets underrated for his defensive consistency.

 

He wouldn't always have great games but he almost never had terrible games. As reliable as they come.

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1 hour ago, nazzymx said:

Brent Sopel

Was trying to think of the name. Awkward as hell on the ice but extremely effective.

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Further to my point about Bieksa, was fun digging into the vault to see it in action.  Forgot how entertaining this thread used to be:

Randomly, from one page:

 

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...The fact that Bieksa is still breathing in a Canucks uniform disgusts me. I would take a 7th rounder... Please make it happen.

·   June 26, 2010

 

..It's all Bieksa's fault. Like seriously, he just let Kopitar and Johnson walk right in to the slot.

·   October 10, 2010

Bieksa showed us all tonight why he should be traded at the first available opportunity. His cap hit is terrible for what he provides IMO. The sooner he's gone the better though it may be we have trouble moving him

·   October 10, 2010

He was Bieksa I didn`t see anything new from him and he still tooks his dumb penalties. Same things weve seen for years, why wasn`t he traded?

i am no fan ofbieksa tonight was not one of his worst he actually made some solid hits jumped in the play as usual but the 2 bad penalties and of course looking quite lost at times in the defensive zone

Bieksa, you are so dumb. You are really, really dumb. Fo' real.

·   October 9, 2010

 

Kevin 'The Abortion'Bieksa strikes again!

·   

 

 

Milk hotdog muppets.

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Last few years

 

Christopher Tanev 

 

Undrafted defence man to one of the top ten defensive dmen in the nhl right now. Say what you want, he is an incredible player. 

 

Sami Salo 

 

Whenever he got knocked down, he got back up. That point shot too. 

 

Nikita Tryamkin 

 

He was a beast. He didn't produce but he had a rocket of a shot(sorry Bo) and plate sound defensively(minus one goal vs EDM where he didn't tie up the stick)

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No question—Sami Salo. And who knows how good he might have been if he'd just been able to stay healthy.

 

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39 minutes ago, ynwa said:

No question—Sami Salo. And who knows how good he might have been if he'd just been able to stay healthy.

 

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Where is the ruptured testicle? You know, the one that even has its own facebook page. Oh right, he didn't miss any games with it...

 

For underrated defenseman I would throw in Nolan Baumgartner. He scored 42 points in 99 games in a Canucks uniform and later was an important leader on the farm team. Basically he was like Weber or Larsen, PP specialist with questionable defense, but he actually produced from the point.

 

Honourable mentions: Scott Lachance and Marek Malik. Both were extremely reliable on the blueline for almost 150 games each.

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Bah....bunch of newbie Canuck fans here (yeah the irony of my username :P)....

 

No votes for the immortal Leif Rohlin? :angry:

 

Guy seemed like he was on the Canucks "protected list" forever LOL....

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3 hours ago, Riviera82 said:

I drove up to Port McNeil to see him with the cup in 2012 and he was a hell of a nice guy too. I would've rather we kept him here but in a way I'm glad he left because I'm not sure he would've enjoyed the same kind of success had he stayed.

We probably would've won the cup if we kept him and didn't trade for Ballard. Plus we would've had more offensive depth with Grabner, the first rounder that year and Steve Bernier. 

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Many on the OP's list were not underrated by Canucks fans during each player's tenure. Maybe by the league fans, but nobody outside BC knew many Canucks back in the days of radio and local television, when CBC ignored us almost entirely. 

But one player notably under appreciated by Canucks fans and management was Jiri Slegr. He was better utilized on some of the other teams he played with, but still had strong seasons with the Canucks.

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Good topic... definitely won't be seeing that plug Truyemk0n's name here.

Since I've started watching here's who comes to mind 

 

Sami Salo: Never realized how good he was until he left... solid as it gets. 

Willie Mitchell: This is one of MG's biggest mistakes... no valuing him and re-signing him. Instrumental in LA's cups. Almost as instrumental as the old boys club and the zebras fixing the games 

Juice/Edler/Sbisa: All guys majorly hated on... all play(ed) their roles well and deserve(d) 0 hate

 

 

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