Is Global War Fast Approaching?

[taxi]

27 minutes ago, Bo053 said:

It's been approaching for a long time, but blaming Trump is so hot right now.

This actually may be the most peaceful time in human history. Per capita you are far less likely to die in armed conflict than any other time in human history.

Honestly, no one really cares about N. Korea or Syria enough to start a world war right now. 

5 hours ago, Bur14Kes17 said:

I think this is the closest we've come since the cuban missle crisis. Either way, I've been spending alot more time at the gun range lately lol

No it's nowhere close to the Cuban Missile Crisis. 

[Lancaster]

It's funny how so many are blaming Trump as the potential catalyst for some global war, when in reality it's way way more complex than just a single man.

 

The issue with North Korea....... the blame are squarely on North Korea and the Chinese.  US has an obligation to defend South Korea and Japan the same way they would protect Canada.  So some country is constantly threatening to nuke those countries, it's only right for the US to step up to deter them.  

If the world dealt with the North Koreans before they had nukes... like during the 90's (after the fall of the USSR and prior to the rise of China) or something, there wouldn't be any issue now.  Instead, the world has kept kicking the can down the road, until now when the North are on the brink of having nuclear ICBM.... and now it's the US's fault for being more concerned for their regional allies?

 

With Syria.... it was a fiasco created by the Obama regime, wholly supported by the Clintons and their ilks and with massive help with the failed stabilization of Iraq under Bush 2.  Trump probably still wants friendly relations with Russia and the whole bombing was pretty much just a facade.  I mean... preemptively telling the Syrians/Russians when/where you're gonna bomb, with most of the missiles being duds and the airport being back in operations within less than 24 hours.  The risk/reward for more involvement in Syria is very unfavourable for America.  

 

If there's going to be some global conflict, it won't be Trump starting it.  

[two drink minimum]

2 hours ago, Wonder__Bread said:

If you look at what started both world wars you can draw a lot of parallels as history often repeats itself. I don't think it'll happen as soon as everyone is thinking but if nothing improves in the next 10 years then I could see a major conflict happening. 

A global war is very unlikely. What is going to continue is the constant threat of war. The best way to syphon tax dollars is to convince the public that their safety is dependant on arming up the military. The greatest scam is buying enough guns, bullets and missiles to defeat your enemy but never actually defeating your enemy. Think about it, as long as there is the threat of attack by some made up enemy, we'll continue to hand over our hard earned money in the form of tax ( it's essentially protection money). Mobsters garnered untold wealth using this tactic. They would shake down ma and pa stores to keep them safe. We're still paying for WWII for the love of Pete and their's no end in sight either. My kids will be paying for that war, their kids will pay for it and their kids after that and so on.

 There is a great book you can read called "War is a Racket" clears up a lot of what's happened over and over for hundreds of years

Edited April 28, 2017 by two drink minimum

[Bo053]

NK just failed with another missile.

Pretty sure they're making this less and less of a threat each day as they become a bigger and bigger joke.

[Nuxfanabroad]

11 minutes ago, Bo053 said:

NK just failed with another missile.

Pretty sure they're making this less and less of a threat each day as they become a bigger and bigger joke.

They might become simply erratic & unpredictable as a griping octogenarian who's OD'd on Viagra? Failed missiles frustrate.

 

edit: Oh the hypocisy of humanity! ^ That's flippant, isn't it? :^/

Edited April 28, 2017 by Nuxfanabroad

[kloubek]

Conflicts we are keeping an eye on:

North Korea

ISIS/Syria/Russia

 

For NK, sabre-rattling is not a new thing.  We really don't know what is going on behind the scenes so although things appear tense, there is not a whole lot that has changed between now and say, 5 years ago.  North Korea continues to be erratic as they have been for decades, and the only real change to the equation is Trump and his horrible decision making and poor attitude towards almost all other countries.  If anything happens, I expect it will be the result of Trump's actions - be it ill-conceived public tweeting to military buildup to a military strike.  Regardless, North Korea cannot appear weak and must respond with a show of force no matter what manner of pressure Trump chooses to enforce.  To be honest, I'm not particularly concerned about North Korea as I believe smarter people will stop Trump from doing something that pushes it over the edge.  (Mind you, I'm also one who felt there was no chance the public would vote in Trump, so who knows)

 

As for ISIS, they are clearly a real problem over there, and to some degree over here.  The world certainly has changed with the proliferation of that group, but to a lesser degree this too isn't something we've never seen before.  The movement will eventually be stopped but will take several more decades to do so.  It isn't like fighting a country where they surrender.  These guys won't surrender.  They need to be squashed and eventually they will settle down overall, while die-hards continue to bomb and fight here and there for a very long time.  As much as that sucks, it isn't really a problem that much can be done about and at least it is (generally) not over here.

 

Syria in itself is inconsequential in the scope of international conflict itself, but their ties to Russia remain strong and the friction between the US and Russia certainly is unfortunate.  (Not to mention the absolute horrible things happening to a massive amount of innocent people over there)  With that said, this too we have seen before and is nothing new.  Russia will do things that provoke the US and the US will do things that provokes Russia, but neither side wants a war.  The fact is that Russia is not the powerhouse it once was and they know they would lose - especially if the US gets backing from the UN. This isn't to say conflict won't surpass what they are right now, but even if a few little skirmishes happen I don't see all-out war happening.

 

So yes, things are pretty crappy right now.  But really, I don't believe a ton has changed lately.  Conflicts have occurred forever, and they come and go.  We just happen to be in a timeframe when they are higher than usual.

[Standing_Tall#37]

5 hours ago, taxi said:

 

No it's nowhere close to the Cuban Missile Crisis. 

 How do you figure? The Doomsday clock was set at 7 to midnight during the Cuban missile crisis. Right now it's set to 2.5 minutes to midnight. 

 

 North Korea threatened to nuke an aircraft carrier that's in the area, and guess what? That aircraft carrier has 8 nukes on it. And when it started heading to North Korea with 6 other ships and nuclear subs accompanying it, Russia and China sent their battleships. 

 

 Also with Hillary previously threatening Russia and dictating where they can fly and Putin Responded by saying he'd take it nuclear if they wanted to push it there with  his new hypersonic nuke "Satan 2" which travels at 7km/second and carries 18 warheads at a time(capable of blowing Texas off the map with one successful strike).

 

I'd say that we're the closest we've been since then, it's just that the general population is to dumb to realize it. There's a reason why most people that are worth anything and governments all have shelters that are meant for living in for 2-5 years.

[Gurn]

12 minutes ago, Standing_Tall#37 said:

 How do you figure? The Doomsday clock was set at 7 to midnight during the Cuban missile crisis. Right now it's set to 2.5 minutes to midnight. 

 

 North Korea threatened to nuke an aircraft carrier that's in the area, and guess what? That aircraft carrier has 8 nukes on it. And when it started heading to North Korea with 6 other ships and nuclear subs accompanying it, Russia and China sent their battleships. 

 

 Also with Hillary previously threatening Russia and dictating where they can fly and Putin Responded by saying he'd take it nuclear if they wanted to push it there with  his new hypersonic nuke "Satan 2" which travels at 7km/second and carries 18 warheads at a time(capable of blowing Texas off the map with one successful strike).

 

I'd say that we're the closest we've been since then, it's just that the general population is to dumb to realize it. There's a reason why most people that are worth anything and governments all have shelters that are meant for living in for 2-5 years.

"Russia and China sent their battleships. "

 

 Do you have a link or even pictures of these Russian and Chinese battleships? I kind of doubt it, as far as I know these do not exist for either of the countries you have named.

 

[Standing_Tall#37]

Yes because if you pay attention to the signs. Look at a video game at any store... 1/2 the games are killing games/soldier games with as realistic gameplay as possible. That desensitize's the youth of today like nobodies business. 

 

 The second major reason is that it seems like in the last 20-25 years there's been a great effort to dumb down the general population as it seems the majority of people now are no longer able to decipher the bull$&!# and rather believe everything told to them by western media without fact checking it. People that follow blindly are lead to the slaughter house. And the less people keep themselves informed and are self sufficient/ capable of critical thinking, the more they're likely to pick up a rifle and follow orders. Also the distraction with celebrities and sports is at an all time high which is usually a wag the dog technique. 

 

The third reason is that that most people don't deserve to live and the world needs a major reset. Think about it for a second, to everyone's self, they are important but in reality how many make the world a better place? IE; produce more food than they consume. Make the world cleaner. Don't take up space, or consume natural resources. I've heard some pretty influential people say that the global population needs to get reduced to between 200 and 500 million people globally. 

 

 

 I've heard predictions that WW3 will start over Canada, with countries fighting over our resources (mainly freshwater) I could see that as if people get desperate they may be willing to take what we have by any means necessary, but others will feel that they're entitled to it as our friends and stick up for any takeover we'd face. I don't think it's highly likely. 

 

 I think that it'll get cracking over some proxy thing or some form of aggression or somebody tired of the US and does an instigation strike on them. But I can see the reason being some bs one just meant to fool masses that it was necessary in case the survivors outnumber the culprits and seek them out. But I think the main reason is that the wealthy and powerful(the true ones, not people with only 100 million or maybe a couple billion) 

believe that a major population reduction by 80-90% is absolutely necessary. It's sad but if you look at it from their point of view you can understand. Most can't though in reality as it would admit that their lives are insignificant. 

Edited April 29, 2017 by Standing_Tall#37

[Standing_Tall#37]

18 minutes ago, gurn said:

"Russia and China sent their battleships. "

 

 Do you have a link or even pictures of these Russian and Chinese battleships? I kind of doubt it, as far as I know these do not exist for either of the countries you have named.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/17/china-russia-dispatch-ships-shadow-donald-trumps-armada-approaches/

 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Russian_Navy_ships

 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_People's_Liberation_Army_Navy_ships

 

 

thet both have a significant amount of destroyers and cruisers.  But when they were originally sending "intelligence gathering ships" it was reported that those ships would be destroyers. 

 

 

 

[Ghostsof1915]

 

[taxi]

1 hour ago, Standing_Tall#37 said:

 How do you figure? The Doomsday clock was set at 7 to midnight during the Cuban missile crisis. Right now it's set to 2.5 minutes to midnight. 

 

 North Korea threatened to nuke an aircraft carrier that's in the area, and guess what? That aircraft carrier has 8 nukes on it. And when it started heading to North Korea with 6 other ships and nuclear subs accompanying it, Russia and China sent their battleships. 

 

 Also with Hillary previously threatening Russia and dictating where they can fly and Putin Responded by saying he'd take it nuclear if they wanted to push it there with  his new hypersonic nuke "Satan 2" which travels at 7km/second and carries 18 warheads at a time(capable of blowing Texas off the map with one successful strike).

 

I'd say that we're the closest we've been since then, it's just that the general population is to dumb to realize it. There's a reason why most people that are worth anything and governments all have shelters that are meant for living in for 2-5 years.

No.

 

None of the USA, Russia, or China want to be involved in a nuclear war right now. North Korea is constantly coming up with weapons that make them a big enough threat just not to be invaded. That's how they survive. Now that the threat of their missile bombardment of South Korea has been minimised by anti-missile technology, they have a ballistic nuke. The USA won't invade them. There's also a bid difference between the kind of nukes NK has and the kind the USA has. NK nukes would injure and kill people few dozen blocks, while the USA's would level entire cities. 

 

The Cuban missile crisis was literally one missed or misinterpreted communication away from the end of humanity. 

 

Do you really think more people are building shelters now than they were in the middle of the cold war? At the height of the, schools were teaching children how to hide in cellars and wait out nuclear fall out. 

[Ghostsof1915]

12 minutes ago, taxi said:

No.

 

None of the USA, Russia, or China want to be involved in a nuclear war right now. North Korea is constantly coming up with weapons that make them a big enough threat just not to be invaded. That's how they survive. Now that the threat of their missile bombardment of South Korea has been minimised by anti-missile technology, they have a ballistic nuke. The USA won't invade them. There's also a bid difference between the kind of nukes NK has and the kind the USA has. NK nukes would injure and kill people few dozen blocks, while the USA's would level entire cities. 

 

The Cuban missile crisis was literally one missed or misinterpreted communication away from the end of humanity. 

 

Do you really think more people are building shelters now than they were in the middle of the cold war? At the height of the, schools were teaching children how to hide in cellars and wait out nuclear fall out. 

Not right now, are you saying there's a good time to have a nuclear war? 

[Standing_Tall#37]

3 minutes ago, taxi said:

No.

 

None of the USA, Russia, or China want to be involved in a nuclear war right now. North Korea is constantly coming up with weapons that make them a big enough threat just not to be invaded. That's how they survive. Now that the threat of their missile bombardment of South Korea has been minimised by anti-missile technology, they have a ballistic nuke. The USA won't invade them. There's also a bid difference between the kind of nukes NK has and the kind the USA has. NK nukes would injure and kill people few dozen blocks, while the USA's would level entire cities. 

 

The Cuban missile crisis was literally one missed or misinterpreted communication away from the end of humanity. 

 

Do you really think more people are building shelters now than they were in the middle of the cold war? At the height of the, schools were teaching children how to hide in cellars and wait out nuclear fall out. 

And true as that may be, I find that the attitude has shifted. Back then there was a push for survival, I think now a massive extinction is welcomed by the powers to be, not the governments of the world necessarily but the puppet masters who control them. But you or I and 99% of the population of earth isn't privy to the truth. It might turn society upside down.

 

 But in saying that I definitely can see your point about North Korea trying to be self preservationist just as Syria is or Iran is. I just think maybe North Korea comes off as an aggressor with their threats but be that as they may at least in recent history they haven't tried to expand their country or influence through aggression.

[Toews]

1 hour ago, Standing_Tall#37 said:

And true as that may be, I find that the attitude has shifted. Back then there was a push for survival, I think now a massive extinction is welcomed by the powers to be, not the governments of the world necessarily but the puppet masters who control them. But you or I and 99% of the population of earth isn't privy to the truth. It might turn society upside down.

I am part of the 1% that knows the truth. The reality is that this massive extinction that you speak of has been planned for a very long time by our overlords, aka laser cats. Laser cats are like the white walkers from GOT except they can shoot lasers out of every orifice.

 

 

Even the ManBearPig is afraid of the laser cats.

[CBH1926]

3 hours ago, Standing_Tall#37 said:

 How do you figure? The Doomsday clock was set at 7 to midnight during the Cuban missile crisis. Right now it's set to 2.5 minutes to midnight. 

 

 North Korea threatened to nuke an aircraft carrier that's in the area, and guess what? That aircraft carrier has 8 nukes on it. And when it started heading to North Korea with 6 other ships and nuclear subs accompanying it, Russia and China sent their battleships. 

 

 Also with Hillary previously threatening Russia and dictating where they can fly and Putin Responded by saying he'd take it nuclear if they wanted to push it there with  his new hypersonic nuke "Satan 2" which travels at 7km/second and carries 18 warheads at a time(capable of blowing Texas off the map with one successful strike).

 

I'd say that we're the closest we've been since then, it's just that the general population is to dumb to realize it. There's a reason why most people that are worth anything and governments all have shelters that are meant for living in for 2-5 years.

Sarmat is not operational yet as Russia keeps moving up deadlines.

If we ever get to point where they would eventually use it, shelters won't do much good anyways.

 

[crazycry]

 

 

4 hours ago, taxi said:

No.

 

None of the USA, Russia, or China want to be involved in a nuclear war right now. North Korea is constantly coming up with weapons that make them a big enough threat just not to be invaded. That's how they survive. Now that the threat of their missile bombardment of South Korea has been minimised by anti-missile technology, they have a ballistic nuke. The USA won't invade them. There's also a bid difference between the kind of nukes NK has and the kind the USA has. NK nukes would injure and kill people few dozen blocks, while the USA's would level entire cities. 

 

 

   And to also brainwash their citizens who all thinks US is the real devil. 

[skolozsy2]

Cuban Missle Crisis, Korean Conflict, Vietnam, Bosnia, Iran/Iraq, The Israeli conflicts, the Gulf, the Middle East, North Korea, etc....

 

The world has actually had many, MANY opportunities over the last 50 years, with some serious whack jobs at the helm, to propel itself into a WW III/global killing conflict.  When I consider the fact that the world prevailed through some very turbulent times without the use of nukes, then it makes me wonder how catastrophic of an event actually has to occur for world leaders to finally hit the "f*** it" button.

 

There will always be the threat of a WWIII, but the odds of it actually happening I would think are below minimal.

Edited April 30, 2017 by skolozsy2

[Rocky Balboa]

Trump will Tweet about Fat boys mama.  Then we all die. 

 

 

[CaptKirk888]

On 2017-04-28 at 7:56 AM, TimberWolf said:

You must be old, like me. I remember watching War Games as a teen. Very true message, but will it be heeded?