aGENT Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 7 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Kinda want us to try to trade down just a few spots. Hopefully get another team's 2nd for the move. Then draft Makar and also add a centre (like maybe Reedy or Geekie) with the acquired pick. Might not be doable but I'd love it if it worked out that way. I think Makar has the potential to be the most valuable player from this draft in five years. Obviously he carriers risk, but if he hits his potential, he becomes an elite/franchise-level player. I'd be willing to take that risk on Makar if we also had three second round picks to play with this year (our own, the one from trading down, and the Torts pick). I'd prefer to keep our pick, take whoever's left/best of Glass, Mittelstadt, Vilardi Heiskanen at 5 and then trade one of Tanev/Edler for a 10-15'ish pick and take one of the fallen/available D (Makar/Liljegrin/Valimaki) if we grabbed a C or Necas, Suzuki, Petterson etc if we grabbed Heiskanen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenman92 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 1 hour ago, J.R. said: No I don't think they'll pick a lesser player who can slot in sooner. Virtanen will be fine IMO. Turned a corner this year, even if he's not 'OMG Ehlers!' Gudbranson is a # 3D Juolevi is a stud. Only people who think he didn't 'progress' are stat watchers. He's also evidence they're playing the long game contrary to your worry there. I what crazy world is Grudbranson a #3 defenceman? Deryk Engelland has been a more offensive threat over the past three seasons than Gudbranson (.172 points per game to .164 for Gudbranson). Now I know there is more to being a defenceman than point production, but if you're going to call a player a No. 3 defenceman he should at least be able to flirt with that 25 point range. Gudbranson isn't even No. 3 on the Canucks right now and that's a bad hockey club, with the second fewest points in the NHL. I would have Edler as the Canucks No. 1, Tanev as the No. 2, Stecher as the No. 3 and Hutton as the No. 4 D. My guess is Gudbranson and Sbisa, if he's still with the team, will be Vancouver's third pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 1 minute ago, chickenman92 said: I what crazy world is Grudbranson a #3 defenceman? Deryk Engelland has been a more offensive threat over the past three seasons than Gudbranson (.172 points per game to .164 for Gudbranson). Now I know there is more to being a defenceman than point production, but if you're going to call a player a No. 3 defenceman he should at least be able to flirt with that 25 point range. Gudbranson isn't even No. 3 on the Canucks right now and that's a bad hockey club, with the second fewest points in the NHL. I would have Edler as the Canucks No. 1, Tanev as the No. 2, Stecher as the No. 3 and Hutton as the No. 4 D. My guess is Gudbranson and Sbisa, if he's still with the team, will be Vancouver's third pair. D rating not depth chart and yes, Gudrbanson is better than anyone not named Edler/Tanev. Ask FLA who played the most minutes on D for them when they actually made the playoffs 2 years ago and get back to me He may very well play '3rd pair' in a sheltering role if say Juolevi makes the team. Has no bearing on what quality of D he is though. Healthy (unlike last year), he's a #3D and likely to be playing on our 2nd pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenman92 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, J.R. said: D rating not depth chart and yes, Gudrbanson is better than anyone not named Edler/Tanev. Ask FLA who played the most minutes on D for them when they actually made the playoffs 2 years ago and get back to me He may very well play '3rd pair' in a sheltering role if say Juolevi makes the team. Has no bearing on what quality of D he is though. Healthy (unlike last year), he's a #3D and likely to be playing on our 2nd pair. We will agree to disagree on this. And by the way, Gudbranson was 4th in minutes on that Panthers team, playing about 10 seconds more than Willie Mitchell. He was also 108th in the NHL in icetime per game, so that would suggest he was a No.4 type of defenceman when the Canucks acquired him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, chickenman92 said: We will agree to disagree on this. And by the way, Gudbranson was 4th in minutes on that Panthers team, playing about 10 seconds more than Willie Mitchell. He was also 108th in the NHL in icetime per game, so that would suggest he was a No.4 type of defenceman when the Canucks acquired him. 13 minutes ago, J.R. said: Ask FLA who played the most minutes on D for them when they actually made the playoffs 2 years ago and get back to me 1 Erik Gudbranson 2015-16 FLA D 6 137:59 22:59 21:27 03:34 01:58 00:19 161:24 26:54 201 00:48 33.5 2 Brian Campbell 2015-16 FLA D 6 128:58 21:29 11:48 01:58 13:07 02:11 153:53 25:38 193 00:47 32.2 3 Aaron Ekblad 2015-16 FLA D 6 139:11 23:11 02:47 00:27 11:45 01:57 153:43 25:37 197 00:46 32.8 4 Dmitry Kulikov 2015-16 FLA D 6 126:28 21:04 22:06 03:41 02:22 00:23 150:56 25:09 195 00:46 32.5 5 Alex Petrovic 2015-16 FLA D 6 110:34 18:25 08:58 01:29 00:00 00:00 119:32 19:55 158 00:45 26.3 6 Michael Matheson 2015-16 FLA D 5 105:19 21:03 00:00 00:00 03:06 00:37 108:25 21:41 138 00:47 27.6 7 Jakub Kindl 2015-16 FLA D 1 12:30 12:30 00:00 00:00 00:00 00:00 12:30 12:30 19 00:39 19.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 The thing I'm worried most about is how the NHL is cyclical in terms of Speed vs Size. Speed is the name of the game now, but when the next crop of Canucks prospects are hitting their prime... the game can easily revert back to a slower size-required game. It's true that we did see the speedy Oilers taking out the bigger/slower Sharks... but that's with a gimped Joe Thornton. If he was 100% healthy, it could have been the Sharks winning the series. For that reason, maybe the Canucks should take Rasmussen. Not with the #5, but after trading down. Perhaps somehow getting the assets to also get a late 1st or something to also grab Cal Foote. Since there might not be any franchise players left (excluding random variables), it might be a bad idea to get a 2nd line centre and top-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 I think Gudbranson will look like a different player next year...2 working wrists are a good thing...I expect more of a leadership role as well and he is the only scrapper we have on the backend...except for Heavyweight Hutton...ha,ha. Edler or Juolevi / Stecher Hutton / Gudbranson Juolevi or Sbisa / Tanev McEneny Hutton may be considered the #3 man by the end of the season but only if Guddy is real Gud as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High and Inside Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 My vote is we draft Cale Makar as he is one of the most gifted players when it comes to offensive talent. If we decide to draft a forward I think it's got to be Cody Glass. He seems like a safe pick with tons of upside and I got to watch him play this year a bit and was impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbox Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 How about trading it? I don't normally do proposals but this seems too perfect. Tanev + 2017 1st (5th) to Tampa Bay in exchange for Drouin + 2017 1st (14th?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 If only one of Glass, Vilardi, or Mittelstadt are available, pick them. If more than one of them are available, try to trade down. Trading down to #6 if two of them are available at #5 to get an extra 4th round pick or something would be real nice and wouldn't hurt too much. Of those three big ones, my picks would be 1) Glass, 2) Vilardi, 3) Mittelstadt. That said, I won't be angry with Benning regardless of who he picks as I don't feel strongly about any of our available options. I wouldn't even be devastated if we picked Liljegren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Changed my vote from Glass to Vilardi....just because it was close and Vilardi is the youngest of the contenders...(4 months younger than Glass and 10 months younger than Casey) also because Gabe is not getting enough love on the poll.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 16 hours ago, chickenman92 said: Anyone else worried/wondering if Benning/Linden will be feeling the pressure to pick someone this year who they can slot right in, like say Owen Tippett, over taking a player that will have the better long-term career? Or maybe they even deal the pick for an NHL player, or more ready prospect. Owen Tippett is not just a "player who they can slot right in". He's actually a pretty good winger. In fact, one of my concerns here is that we are all so focused on a 1C or a 1D that we're forgetting that there are some very skilled and athletic wingers in this draft: Owen Tippett Eeli Tolvanen If Benning thinks that those guys are potential first-line players and don't think that any of the other players are potential 1C or 1D (for example, doesn't have the pre-requisite athletic ability or hockey IQ), then I personally don't mind getting another winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 If Vilardi and Glass are gone I would like to trade down 2-6 spots and take one of the 3 D. or Rasmusen, Necas or Tippet...heck even dropping 7-8 spots for something we can't refuse (like a 2nd and prospect)...we could still nab Dahlen's linemate Pettersson or one of the above players that dropped down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabychStache Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Somehow i would love for the Canucks to trade for another top 10 pick (i'm looking at you Arizona....) and land Glass AND Makar. To AZ: Edler + CBJ 2nd To Van: 7th OA. I really hope the Canucks can get Makar, he just has the makings of a real steal of the draft. Karlsson esque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruilin96 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 If Vilardi and Glass are gone, we should draft Liligren, stock up that blueline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, BabychStache said: Somehow i would love for the Canucks to trade for another top 10 pick (i'm looking at you Arizona....) and land Glass AND Makar. To AZ: Edler + CBJ 2nd To Van: 7th OA. I really hope the Canucks can get Makar, he just has the makings of a real steal of the draft. Karlsson esque. You'd have better luck with Tanev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabychStache Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 1 minute ago, J.R. said: You'd have better luck with Tanev. True... but i wanna keep Tanev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, BabychStache said: True... but i wanna keep Tanev ARZ needs a RH'd D and I'd wager they'd want someone more in the meat of their prime than Edler (who's in the tail end of his). Edler we could move to a team with a few more years of a contention window. Tanev would be better on a mid-young team looking to start contending in the next few years. Personally, I hope we're able to move both in the next couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedish elite3 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Voted for Glass I have watched a bunch of his game and read up a bunch between he and Middlestadt and IMO i go with Glass but not by much.. Liljgren (SP?) Is seriously intriguing though I wouldn't be heart broken to have him either. His year was seriously hampered by Mono and was definitely playing a step behind this year because of it. Tough call but I do feel confident we will get a hell of a player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 4 hours ago, J.R. said: 1 Erik Gudbranson 2015-16 FLA D 6 137:59 22:59 21:27 03:34 01:58 00:19 161:24 26:54 201 00:48 33.5 2 Brian Campbell 2015-16 FLA D 6 128:58 21:29 11:48 01:58 13:07 02:11 153:53 25:38 193 00:47 32.2 3 Aaron Ekblad 2015-16 FLA D 6 139:11 23:11 02:47 00:27 11:45 01:57 153:43 25:37 197 00:46 32.8 4 Dmitry Kulikov 2015-16 FLA D 6 126:28 21:04 22:06 03:41 02:22 00:23 150:56 25:09 195 00:46 32.5 5 Alex Petrovic 2015-16 FLA D 6 110:34 18:25 08:58 01:29 00:00 00:00 119:32 19:55 158 00:45 26.3 6 Michael Matheson 2015-16 FLA D 5 105:19 21:03 00:00 00:00 03:06 00:37 108:25 21:41 138 00:47 27.6 7 Jakub Kindl 2015-16 FLA D 1 12:30 12:30 00:00 00:00 00:00 00:00 12:30 12:30 19 00:39 19.0 Atta boy, JR. Those stats don't lie, do they? Fla sure has been doing well since the trade eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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