IBacon Strips Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Falling to 5th absolutely blows, but we need to make the most of this draft for the sake of our rebuild. First we need to take either Heisk or Liljegrin with our 5th overall, both look like potential top 3 defenceman. Next we make a trade to get back into the first round and draft a center. To Tampa: Tanev, Goldobin, CBJ 2nd, 2018 2nd To Van: 2017 1st, Drouin Tampa would much rather have a top rhd than a mid round 1st and I'm sure they want to shed Drouin before he gets a big contract so we give them goldobin as a replacement. I don't know if 2 seconds is too much, but something around a 2nd + another pick sounds right. Using the pick we get from Tampa, we select either Lias Anderson or Elias Petterson. Alternate situation in fantasyland: Take Cody Glass at 5 and by some miracle, Liljegrin does his best Chychrun impression and falls to the Tampa pick and we take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 I don't see the organization giving up on Goldy in 4 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adarsh Sant Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Take Goldobin out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBacon Strips Posted May 3, 2017 Author Share Posted May 3, 2017 8 minutes ago, ReggieBush said: I don't see the organization giving up on Goldy in 4 months. I wouldn't say they'd be giving up on him, but Tampa is going to need something cheap with some upside going back and Goldy would be the best fit there as I don't see us giving up any of Dahlen, Boeser, Baer, Granlund. Virtanen is someone I wouldn't mind sending the other way, but given how many smallish skill wingers we are stocking, Virtanen might be needed even in a middle six role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ojibwa72 Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 25 minutes ago, IBacon Strips said: I wouldn't say they'd be giving up on him, but Tampa is going to need something cheap with some upside going back and Goldy would be the best fit there as I don't see us giving up any of Dahlen, Boeser, Baer, Granlund. Virtanen is someone I wouldn't mind sending the other way, but given how many smallish skill wingers we are stocking, Virtanen might be needed even in a middle six role. That statement does say a lot. We do need to get bigger as a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Just now, Ojibwa72 said: That statement does say a lot. We do need to get bigger as a team. And tougher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ojibwa72 Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Definitely we need more toughness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 I doubt that package lands Drouin AND their 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono2009 Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 No....just no...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocksterh8 Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 What he said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 2 hours ago, ReggieBush said: I don't see the organization giving up on Goldy in 4 months. true, but if he's the piece to land Drouin I say see ya Goldy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 1 hour ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: I doubt that package lands Drouin AND their 1st. maybe not but its in the ballpark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Sbriggs said: maybe not but its in the ballpark I don't think so. To land Drouin alone, I think we're looking at at least Tanev and Baertschi going the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Just now, 48MPHSlapShot said: I don't think so. To land Drouin alone, I think we're looking at at least Tanev and Baertschi going the other way. Maybe I think thats the ballpark? Its going to take Tanev +, so who that plus is , is really the question. I would let Sven go for Drouin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Sbriggs said: Maybe I think thats the ballpark? Its going to take Tanev +, so who that plus is , is really the question. I would let Sven go for Drouin Yeah, but we're talking about their 1st first as well. Assuming Tanev and their 1st are roughly equal value, we're basically saying Goldy + 2 2nds (one of which will be a late pick, the other one not coming until next year) for Drouin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBacon Strips Posted May 3, 2017 Author Share Posted May 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Yeah, but we're talking about their 1st first as well. Assuming Tanev and their 1st are roughly equal value, we're basically saying Goldy + 2 2nds (one of which will be a late pick, the other one not coming until next year) for Drouin. Tanev is probably worth a mid first + b prospect and to Tampa he might be worth even more because of where they want to be as a cup contender. I don't buy that either party will forgive and forget about the holdout when contract talk begins and Drouin is going to ask, and most likely get, a good chunk of change while Goldobin is going to be cheaper for at least 2-3 years. They might ask us to take Callahan back/add Dorsett to take Callahan back or something along those lines, but the value is still within reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farhills Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Why do we want Drouin,probably wants 4-5 mil,I would rather see what Goldobin has to offer, might be more upside than Drouin.Need to move Edler what do we know about MacEwen,big,20 years old centre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Sorry guys.......but Tanev worth more than Tampa's first Maybe Tampa's 2017 -1st + Howden for Tanev + CBS 2nd Personally I think Tanev = this years 9th or 10th OA Tampa's 14 OA isn't even guaranteed to be a NHLer, in what world does that equal Tanev? When in a normal year the 14 pick would be somewhere around 18 to 20th?...........Tanev is a 1 on our team, a 2 on the average team, or a 3 at the very least on a good team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtieCanuck Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Giving up a player who fulfills needs of this team would be counterintuitive to the whole rebuild process. The only things that make sense to give up are older players (even if Tanev is 27) or expendable two way players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBacon Strips Posted May 4, 2017 Author Share Posted May 4, 2017 2 hours ago, BowtieCanuck said: Giving up a player who fulfills needs of this team would be counterintuitive to the whole rebuild process. The only things that make sense to give up are older players (even if Tanev is 27) or expendable two way players. Well I could see your point if the proposal were trading a more promising younger player for a decently established older one, but that's not the proposal. Drouin is a year older than Goldobin, much more proven in the NHL and playoffs, and is a better player/will be the better player. If my proposal went through our lineup would look something like this after this year is over and the Sedins are gone Drouin-Horvat-Boeser Baer-Drafted C-Dahlin/Gran Gran/Dahlin-Sutter-Virtanen Gaudette-Cassels-Whoever It's nice to stock up on a bunch of mid range, soft, skilled wingers but you run out of spots for them eventually and need to obtain a bit of a mix of skills and at least one elite winger (drouin). I really hope next year we draft another center with our high pick to solidify the 2/3 C for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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