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HKSR Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 22 minutes ago, theminister said: His ceiling is still Shane Doan IMHO. The career trajectory hasn't deviated much at all. There is still time. It would be important that he's able to contribute at a 20 goal pace by the following season to stay on target. It'd be hard pressed to convince me that his ceiling is Doan. Doan at least put up 1.32PPG in the juniors, and was a 1.0PPG player in the AHL. Virtanen barely got 1.0PPG in the juniors, and a pitiful 0.29PPG player in the AHL. He hasn't shown in his whole career that he's offensively inclined. Virtanen seems to be the kinda player that used brute size and strength to overpower his opponents in the juniors to get his points. Now that he's matched up against men his size, his offense plummeted. I'm still on the side that Torres is his ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Just now, HKSR said: It'd be hard pressed to convince me that his ceiling is Doan. Doan at least put up 1.32PPG in the juniors, and was a 1.0PPG player in the AHL. Virtanen barely got 1.0PPG in the juniors, and a pitiful 0.29PPG player in the AHL. He hasn't shown in his whole career that he's offensively inclined. Virtanen seems to be the kinda player that used brute size and strength to overpower his opponents in the juniors to get his points. Now that he's matched up against men his size, his offense plummeted. I'm still on the side that Torres is his ceiling. Ceiling is a matter of opinion. IMO, you can't compare WHL stats that are 20 years apart. It was a much higher scoring league on a much higher scoring team. In the AHL, Doan played half a season after two years in the NHL on a line with Daniel Briere. Virtanen hasn't had that benefit. Again, the conditions surrounding those stats are a bad basis for direct comparison. Doan also didn't look like an offensive contributor until his 5th season after being drafted. We will see with Virtanen... that's why I say he still has time to meet that curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbdoubleu Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Like the article states surrounding Gaudette and Lockwood: Benning's top picks will be what they will be, but for the organization to really turn a corner we need to find NHL players in the later rounds and it's nice to see guys drafted later start to fill out our Top 10 Prospects, regardless where they put Jake Virtanen on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 12 minutes ago, theminister said: Ceiling is a matter of opinion. IMO, you can't compare WHL stats that are 20 years apart. It was a much higher scoring league on a much higher scoring team. In the AHL, Doan played half a season after two years in the NHL on a line with Daniel Briere. Virtanen hasn't had that benefit. Again, the conditions surrounding those stats are a bad basis for direct comparison. Doan also didn't look like an offensive contributor until his 5th season after being drafted. We will see with Virtanen... that's why I say he still has time to meet that curve. Totally agree that Jake needs a really good play maker to get him the puck in high chance areas. A guy like Sam Reinhart might be the perfect center for Jake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersexual Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 #1 prospect... nikita tryamkin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Alflives said: Totally agree that Jake needs a really good play maker to get him the puck in high chance areas. A guy like Sam Reinhart might be the perfect center for Jake. thats why i'm wondering if a line of Jake, Sutter and Goldy might work, with Goldy as the passing playmaker on that line. Sutter can help on the D side for that line and Jake could also create some disruption in front of the next for Goldy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 10) Lockwood 9) Subban 8) Gaudette 7) Brisebois 6) Virtanen 5) Goldobin 4) Dahlen 3) Boeser 2) Demko 1) Juolevi Rough list off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Horvat is a Boss said: 10) Lockwood 9) Subban 8) Gaudette 7) Brisebois 6) Virtanen 5) Goldobin 4) Dahlen 3) Boeser 2) Demko 1) Juolevi Rough list off the top of my head. Looks better than the Province list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 10. Subban 9. Brisebois 8. Lockwood 7. Gaudette 6. Virtanen 5. Dahlen 4. Goldobin 3. Juolevi 2. Demko 1. Boeser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 1 hour ago, S'all Good Man said: thats why i'm wondering if a line of Jake, Sutter and Goldy might work, with Goldy as the passing playmaker on that line. Sutter can help on the D side for that line and Jake could also create some disruption in front of the next for Goldy too. Sounds like a good idea to me too. P. Kane and J. Goodreau do a lot from the wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said: 10) Lockwood 9) Subban 8) Gaudette 7) Brisebois 6) Virtanen 5) Goldobin 4) Dahlen 3) Boeser 2) Demko 1) Juolevi Rough list off the top of my head. Much better and more realistic ranking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Subban shouldn't be ranked ahead of Brisebois, Lockwood and Virtanen imho. Juolevi Boeser Demko Goldobin Gaudette Dahlen Virtanen Lockwood Molino Brisebois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted May 15, 2017 Author Share Posted May 15, 2017 Updated OP with #5 - Adam Gaudette - http://theprovince.com/feature/canucks-top-10-prospects-2017/chapter-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 My top ten, just for $&!#s and giggles. 10) Brisbois 9) Lockwood 8) Subban 7) Virtanen 6) Goldobin 5) Gaudette 4) Dahlen 3) Juolevi 2) Demko 1) Boeser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckleHorse Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 3 hours ago, Tre Mac said: 10. Subban 9. Brisebois 8. Lockwood 7. Gaudette 6. Virtanen 5. Dahlen 4. Goldobin 3. Juolevi 2. Demko 1. Boeser McEneny could very easily make this list at 10 even as high as 7 he is a smart player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman64 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 On 5/14/2017 at 7:05 AM, mpt said: He is too low I agree, but I still wouldn't put him in the top 5. He has very little offensive awareness and gets hurt when he plays physical; that will translate him to a bottom 6 role i disagree, his awareness is average AND you can work on it, it is teachable. He started to get rid of the baby fat and as he grows muscle and strength, that would be a problem and I know, I'm 6'2 and when it happened to me it took time so being patient with him is a smart thing. He's your typical power forward that needs extra time as anyone in his shoes would, I remember watching a rookie Messier who had the same problem as average awareness and look what Gretz taught him and helped chance him into. Body fat is another thing but much easier to deal with as in strength training so I'm definitely not worried about that, I'd love to know that him and Bo are in the same workout room and Bo leading by example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 5 hours ago, homersexual said: #1 prospect... nikita tryamkin! North American skill; Euro heart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Why has everybody been overhyping Brisebois and Virtanen? Juolevi has regressed as well. He's not even the best defenseman on the Knights. Demko is going to take some time as well, probably a couple years. His fundamentals weren't there. Super agile, but you need to have a solid technical base to turn out like Schneider did. He does have the work ethic though, I'll give him that. Boeser should be at the top of everybody's list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Just now, MikeyD said: Why has everybody been overhyping Brisebois and Virtanen? Juolevi has regressed as well. He's not even the best defenseman on the Knights. Demko is going to take some time as well, probably a couple years. His fundamentals weren't there. Super agile, but you need to have a solid technical base to turn out like Schneider did. He does have the work ethic though, I'll give him that. Boeser should be at the top of everybody's list. Juolevi didn't regress. He played well in the CHL postseason. Boeser might be our best prospect, but Juolevi is close behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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