(Rumour) Stars open to moving No. 3 pick

[HerrDrFunk]

Pass on trading Tanev to Dallas. Anyone we pick at number 3 is more than likely going to need a year or two to develop. If we're going to move Tanev, I'm holding out for Toronto and a package involving Kapanen. 

[oldnews]

3 hours ago, goblix said:

Cbj doesn't really need a 3rd OA pick right now. I could see them trying to trade Murray for eberle (framework) mediocre defense for soft moderate offense

 

What?  They don't need a 3rd overall but would take Eberle for Murray?  Sorry, I'm not with you on this one - why would Columbus, who already has to expose a good forward, want to move Murray for Eberle?  I can't imagine them preferring that return over the 3rd overall pick.

[cuporbust]

On 2017-5-18 at 9:51 PM, HerrDrFunk said:

Pass on trading Tanev to Dallas. Anyone we pick at number 3 is more than likely going to need a year or two to develop. If we're going to move Tanev, I'm holding out for Toronto and a package involving Kapanen. 

 

Thats why we would move tanev in the first place. We dont need help right away. 

[Kungfudru]

31 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

I think us and Dallas make very good trade partners.

 

- We're in need of high end prospects, and Dallas has and is willing to shop 3rd overall- Check.

 

- Dallas has a potent offense, but can't keep the puck out of their own net. We're shopping one of the premier defensive specialists in the league- Check.

 

- Dallas is looking to dump Niemi's salary on someone, and our 6 million dollar per-year goalie's contract is up- Check.

 

There's a deal there somewhere.

Can some one call JB to get this done it's sounds too good 

[VIC_CITY]

26 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said:

Pass on trading Tanev to Dallas. Anyone we pick at number 3 is more than likely going to need a year or two to develop. If we're going to move Tanev, I'm holding out for Toronto and a package involving Kapanen. 

Kapanen is decent but why waste our best trade asset on a RW? If Tanev can be used to get a top C or top pairing dman of the future, that's the trade to make, even if we have to add to the deal. Also, what's wrong with taking a year or 2 to develop? That's actually ideal (IMO) given where we are in our rebuild. Once we're competetive again, we'll need guys producing on ELCs. 

[48MPHSlapShot]

32 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said:

Pass on trading Tanev to Dallas. Anyone we pick at number 3 is more than likely going to need a year or two to develop. If we're going to move Tanev, I'm holding out for Toronto and a package involving Kapanen. 

Uhh....So? We're at least a few years away from competing for a playoff spot anyways, and whoever we'd get at no 3 will likely be a higher end prospect than Kapanen.

 

We need quality over quantity. 

 

 

[10pavelbure96]

As long as the trade doesn't involve our 5th. Two top 5 picks would be great for the rebuild.

[HerrDrFunk]

4 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

Uhh....So? We're at least a few years away from competing for a playoff spot anyways, and whoever we'd get at no 3 will likely be a higher end prospect than Kapanen.

 

We need quality over quantity. 

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, VIC_CITY said:

Kapanen is decent but why waste our best trade asset on a RW? If Tanev can be used to get a top C or top pairing dman of the future, that's the trade to make, even if we have to add to the deal. Also, what's wrong with taking a year or 2 to develop? That's actually ideal (IMO) given where we are in our rebuild. Once we're competetive again, we'll need guys producing on ELCs. 

 

16 minutes ago, cuporbust said:

? 

 

Thats why we would move tanev in the first place. We dont need help right away. 

Because, by most accounts, there isn't a C in picks 3-10 who is heads and tails above the others. We can still grab a C at #5 and get a skilled winger who would take the sting out of drafting Virtanen.

[48MPHSlapShot]

13 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said:

 

 

Because, by most accounts, there isn't a C in picks 3-10 who is heads and tails above the others. We can still grab a C at #5 and get a skilled winger who would take the sting out of drafting Virtanen.

We're not talking about a pick swap though, and getting the 3rd overall pick would allow us to take our pick of the best of the rest of the C prospects (coughMittelstadtcough) and allow us to draft one of Liljegren/Makar/Heiskanen with the 5th pick.

 

I'd take that any day over the 5th pick + Kapanen.

 

 

[Glory_Days]

5 hours ago, apollo said:

Is 3rd overall gonna guarantee us a player better than 5th?  

 

Nope.

 

 The gems are 1st or 2nd overall... 3rd to 10th is very unpredictable imo.

Honestly, no gems in this draft, very good chance the best player in this draft is picked after 1st and 2nd. 1st doesn't guarantee us a better player then 5th does. If we can have 3rd AND 5th...I would be very much open to that.

[elvis15]

4 hours ago, ynwa said:

Other than perhaps for the first and second picks there's no apparent benefit in trading up this year. From third to about tenth is a bit of a crapshoot—close your eyes and pin the tail on the donkey (and just hope you don't GET the donkey) 

Trading up, probably not, but adding a pick is another story. It all depends on the cost.

[goblix]

1 hour ago, oldnews said:

What?  They don't need a 3rd overall but would take Eberle for Murray?  Sorry, I'm not with you on this one - why would Columbus, who already has to expose a good forward, want to move Murray for Eberle?  I can't imagine them preferring that return over the 3rd overall pick.

woah woah woah.

I'm not saying Murray = the 3rd overall because he doesn't....

I'm saying why would they spend assets to get a 3rd overall lottery pick when their window to compete for playoffs and etc is now... Makes no sense

 

Which is why Murray for Eberle makes more sense than Murray++ for 3rd overall.

But either way, I don't think Eberle is a Torts type of player sooooo yeahh.

[Warhippy]

Dark horses I see in this are actually Winnipeg and New Jersey

 

Jersey can ship them Hall or Schneider and Enjoy the 3rd OA and 1st OA, drafting Oettinger in the 2nd round and possibly brining up Wedgewood or Blackwood.  Also giving them the still present possibility of Kovalchuk's tempting rights to be traded which will command either a solid 1st and a prospect or a playoff teams' top prospect.  Jersey has items to move that could help Dallas

 

or

 

Winnipeg who has some pretty serious depth of skilled prospects move in to the system.  Trouba/Myers could be moved for the 3rd OA and they could possibly eat a contract           ( @Monty help me out here is it possible?)  Giving them the still present option of possibly shopping Myers or Byfuglien at the TDL next year in a crazy draft.  In 1 short move Winnipeg could end up with 2 top 10 picks with the deepest most skilled prospect pool in the entire league and still be players.

 

Tanev and the CBJ 2nd for one of those goalie contracts and the 3rd OA makes far far to much sense to actually happen, and no chance the hockey gods smile on us in that regard.  Because with that defense we'd be drafting top 4 next year as well giving us in consecutive years since 2014

 

6th

23rd

5th

3rd and 5th

4th (projected 2018)

 

And THAT should be plenty to ensure the rebuild is done well.  But the hockey gods don't really smile over Vancouver often

[Provost]

1 hour ago, HerrDrFunk said:

Pass on trading Tanev to Dallas. Anyone we pick at number 3 is more than likely going to need a year or two to develop. If we're going to move Tanev, I'm holding out for Toronto and a package involving Kapanen. 

It would actually be preferable if they weren't ready... or even better, that they intend to go to college or stay in Europe and not sign an ELC right away.

 

Buys us another year or two with that player before we start having to pay bigger bucks, and we should be closer to winning before we need to re-sign them as RFAs.

 

[Bane Harper]

I see it as the fair deal for #3rd 

[D.B Cooper]

I'd let them take their pick of any Dman on our roster outside of Juolevi. 

Then add as much as a 2nd or a decent prospect. 

 

3rd and 5th overall would be franchise changing.  

 

Mittlestadt/Vilardi and Liljegrin would make me start paying for NHL games on my tv again.  

 

YOU HEAR THAT CANUCKS?

MAKE GOOD MOVES REBUILDING THE TEAM AND THE FANS WILL PAY FOR YOUR PRODUCT.  

 

lol.   Anyway,  very doubtful anything gets done, but how cool would that be?

[Rush17]

5 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

I've got a feeling Hirschier isn't going to live up to the hype and someone like Glass or Mittelstatd will end up being the best center in a few years time. Just a hunch. Drafting will be important, but to be honest I think the development of any of those centers will be more important.

 

Getting thrown into the NHL right away in New Jersey will ruin whoever they pick, whereas the Philadelphia center will be a long way off the NHL with their center depth so will probably get developed properly and slowly and end up being the better of the two regardless.

what if...  Jim trades tanev to other Jim for 3rd overall. then our Jim selects Mittlestadt and Glass and forgo a defensemen.   it would certainly shore up our c ice position and button feels Mittelstadt may be a better winger down the road. so if glass didn't work out we'd have a fall back.

 

plus next season has some really nice d we could snag 1 there.  curious if he'd do that.   but trading for 2 top 5 picks in a weak draft would be risky.  he could early be strung up and vilified if it failed.  

 

but what I  like about jb is he is a man of his convictions.  I hope he does something bold!

[goblix]

I could see Dallas wanting a LHD and a RHD coming this next season. So from our team my guess is either Hutton or Tanev.

Tanev would make sense because Klingberg being an offensive #1 RHD pairing, Tanev can take a lot of the defensive #2 pairing type of role. Sort of like Phaneuf and Karlson in Ottawa... except you know totally different types of player.

Hutton because they have Hamhuis, who is declining steadily, and Lindell who is still young. The rest are relative plugs probably on the same level of Sbisa. Can play at times but not with large minutes. Still think Tanev makes the most sense as he will make Lindell a lot better.

 

I don't mind trading Hutton this season, I think his value might be pretty high with him being expansion exempt. Maybe Tampa wouldn't mind Hutton+ for Drouin ? 

Cap relief because Drouin is likely going to want a decent pay raise, Namestnikov has to be exposed if Drouin is protected, and Tampa does need more defense. Young roster player for young roster player seems to be what Yzerman would demand.

Drouin is 22 same draft year as Horvat.  Drouin - Horvat - Boeser would be pretty cool to watch.

Could make Baertschi or Granlund expendable in another type of trade or Just keep both around and expose Sutter and Gaunce in the expansion draft.

 

Defense starts to look something like (Hutton and Tanev traded):

Edler - Stecher

Juolevi - Gudbranson

Sbisa - Subban

Pedan - Biega

 

Which is pretty crappy but that is a good tanking defense for Rasmus Dahlin next year

[cuporbust]

1 hour ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

We're not talking about a pick swap though, and getting the 3rd overall pick would allow us to take our pick of the best of the rest of the C prospects (coughMittelstadtcough) and allow us to draft one of Liljegren/Makar/Heiskanen with the 5th pick.

 

I'd take that any day over the 5th pick + Kapanen.

 

 

Exactly. Thats what I'm saying. Replace  tanev for a d man that will be in his prime when it matters , and whoever is left at 5. 

Olli and makar/ Heiskanen/ liljegren may replace aging edler and tanev down the road , plus a future possible top 6 centre sounds like a good draft to me. That's what I am hoping for. 

[DownUndaCanuck]

33 minutes ago, Rush17 said:

what if...  Jim trades tanev to other Jim for 3rd overall. then our Jim selects Mittlestadt and Glass and forgo a defensemen.   it would certainly shore up our c ice position and button feels Mittelstadt may be a better winger down the road. so if glass didn't work out we'd have a fall back.

 

plus next season has some really nice d we could snag 1 there.  curious if he'd do that.   but trading for 2 top 5 picks in a weak draft would be risky.  he could early be strung up and vilified if it failed.  

 

but what I  like about jb is he is a man of his convictions.  I hope he does something bold!

Vilardi, Mittelstatd, Horvat, Sutter, Gaudette, Henrik Sedin and Gaunce on the same team would be quite the depth. Similar to the Coyotes problem right now with Strome, Keller and Domi. It'd be a nice problem to have but at the end of the day we're going to have to trade for a top defenceman, and as we've seen they don't come cheap (Subban for Weber trade, Hall for Larson, Seth Jones for Ryan Johansen). 

 

If we groomed both Vilardi and Mittelstatd and traded the lesser center for a defenceman I don't think we'd get as good a value D-man back as we would if we drafted Heiskanen or Makar at 5th overall.