D-Money Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 16 hours ago, mll said: Players exposed - * UFAs LA Kings F: Brown, Gaborik, Lewis, Clifford, Nolan, Dowd, Crescenzi, Andreoff, Shore, Auger, Mersch, Purcell*, Iginla* D: McNabb, Trotman*, Scuderi*, Loverde*, Schiling* G: Zatkoff, Campbell Washington F: Beagle, Walker, Graovac, Sill, O'Brien, Connolly, Stephenson, Winnick*, Williams*, Galiev*, Carey*, Thomas*, Mitchell* Bourque*, Oshie* D: Orpik, Chorney, Ness, Schmidt, Djoos, Corbett, Dietz, Alzner*, Shattenkirk*, Gilbert* G: Grubauer, Copley Calgary F: Brouwer, Stajan, Bouma, Shinkaruk, Poirier, Hamilton, Vey, Chiasson, Bollig*, Versteeg* D: Bartkowski, Kulak, Culkin, Wotherspoon, Engelland*, Stone*, Kostka*, Wideman* G: McCollum, Elliott McNabb, Schmidt, and Shinkaruk is how I'd go. But Grubauer and Brouwer are also likely candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAKID Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Rick Blight said: Miller does not have a NMC but I believe he has a NTC. He is a pending UFA that the Canucks did not have on their protected list so Vegas will have exclusive negotiating rights with him for the period of June 17th - 20th. If Vegas were to sign Miller, he would then be the 1 player we would lose in the draft. Nobody wants Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Just doing a quick skim through and it's not looking to bad for VGK Ryan, Grabner, Strome, Neal, Brouwer Vatanen. Dumba, Sbisa Fleury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklehead85 Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 2 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Here is the Florida Panthers protected player list for the Expansion Draft. Jonathan Huberdeau Aleksander Barkov Vincent TrocheckNick Bjugstad Aaron Ekblad Keith Yandle Alex Petrovic Mark Pysyk James Reimer Unprotected: Reilly Smith Jussi Jokinen Derek MacKenzie Colton Sceviour Jonathan Marchessault Jason Demers Roberto Luongo I am surprised luongo got left unprotected and Reimer got protected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 32 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Just doing a quick skim through and it's not looking to bad for VGK Ryan, Grabner, Strome, Neal, Brouwer Vatanen. Dumba, Sbisa Fleury Anaheim has a deal with Vegas so it's unlikely that Vatanen would be their selection. Minnesota and Nashville are also on working on deals with Vegas - they have until Wednesday 10 am ET to reach an agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Strome and Nelson unprotected which is surprising for the Islanders. Sissons unprotected but so was Neal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borvat Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 10 hours ago, Ossi Vaananen said: Statement from Knights: Throwing curve balls. Blackmail. How does a new team in the league have this much power. They have the potential of leap frogging many established teams and hold them hostage in the process. If they manage this entry into the league properly (lots of young players and stockpiling picks) they will quickly climb to the top of the league and have the ability to remain there for a long time based on their salary structure - ELC's a plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukini Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 16 minutes ago, Borvat said: Blackmail. How does a new team in the league have this much power. They have the potential of leap frogging many established teams and hold them hostage in the process. If they manage this entry into the league properly (lots of young players and stockpiling picks) they will quickly climb to the top of the league and have the ability to remain there for a long time based on their salary structure - ELC's a plenty. What's wrong with that? You'd rather see them be last for five years and fold? If they pass teams it means those teams were horribly constructed to begin with and should have to face the shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borvat Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 16 minutes ago, Zhukini said: What's wrong with that? You'd rather see them be last for five years and fold? If they pass teams it means those teams were horribly constructed to begin with and should have to face the shame I couldn't care less if they folded. Yes I would rather see them be last for five years. No it doesn't mean teams were horribly constructed, it means they have had to take chances on players by drafting them, developing them, then paying them based on RFA and UFA status while maintaining a competitive roster under the salary cap system or lose the players for nothing. Now after all that they may lose them for nothing through no fault of their own. Vegas gets to cherry pick and leave the bad fruit (contracts) behind. They have the benefit of knowing if these guys under contract are worth it, for the most part. Plus take good young players other teams had to draft (take chances on) and develop (spend time and money and use roster/contract spots). It's called a do over that most teams would love to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanless Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 10 hours ago, -AJ- said: I don't think it's worth doing anything about it. What we're losing is nothing compared to some other teams. The value in making a side deal to keep Sbisa isnt keeping Sbisa but having the ability to move Tanev. If the canucks can move tanve for a top 10 pick, or a defensive prospect kinda deal the rebuild will be that much closer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 10 hours ago, -AJ- said: I don't think it's worth doing anything about it. What we're losing is nothing compared to some other teams. So true. Looking through other teams' exposed list... ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukini Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 12 minutes ago, Borvat said: I couldn't care less if they folded. Yes I would rather see them be last for five years. No it doesn't mean teams were horribly constructed, it means they have had to take chances on players by drafting them, developing them, then paying them based on RFA and UFA status while maintaining a competitive roster under the salary cap system or lose the players for nothing. Now after all that they may lose them for nothing through no fault of their own. Vegas gets to cherry pick and leave the bad fruit (contracts) behind. They have the benefit of knowing if these guys under contract are worth it, for the most part. Plus take good young players other teams had to draft (take chances on) and develop (spend time and money and use roster/contract spots). It's called a do over that most teams would love to have. And this is why the grizzlies left town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borvat Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, Zhukini said: And this is why the grizzlies left town. They left town because of what Vegas is getting? But Vegas wasn't in the league and the Grizzlies were a basketball team. Plus this comment from Griffith's: The Grizzlies in Vancouver never got that chance. As the Raptors were making the playoffs, the Grizzlies were floundering, running up a 101-369 record in six seasons. There were assurances when the team was sold to Michael Heisley for $160-million in 2000 that every effort would be made to keep the team in Vancouver, but they seemed hollow at best. The Grizzlies were gone a year later and Heisley has been a villain ever since, although the fact the Canadian dollar was trading at roughly 67 cents compared to the US dollar at the time helps his case. Stern blew it, according to Griffiths. “Are you telling me that even then Memphis was a better market than Vancouver? Come on,” says Griffiths. “The reality is Heisley had every intention of bankrupting the fanbase, alienating people, not marketing the team, presenting the argument that basketball didn’t work in Vancouver and Stern bought it. He pulled the wool over the eyes of the NBA, which was hard to do.” Griffiths believes the NBA could still work in Vancouver given the market’s growth and with an MLSE-like pairing with the Canucks, but with Stern leaving it will fall in the hands of his successor Adam Silver to make things right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatedkid666 Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Vegas could be a playoff team, although i think a lot of people are going to be protected through deals, still vegas can get a bunch of picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Some surprising choices. Detroit with Howard, Tampa with Coburn, Arizona with Johnson, Isles only protecting 3 forwards... I wonder if they're all because of side deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksCelts Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, Borvat said: They left town because of what Vegas is getting? But Vegas wasn't in the league and the Grizzlies were a basketball team. Yeah, that's why the grizzlies left Vancouver. Hes talking about the grizzlies folding because they were handed a $&!# team off the get go, could never win, could never sell tickets and cya later. What's the point of expanding if it's just going to fail? Maybe these circumstances aren't ideal, but it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borvat Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 18 minutes ago, NucksCelts said: Yeah, that's why the grizzlies left Vancouver. Hes talking about the grizzlies folding because they were handed a $&!# team off the get go, could never win, could never sell tickets and cya later. What's the point of expanding if it's just going to fail? Maybe these circumstances aren't ideal, but it is what it is. Do some research the Grizzlies left town for $$$$$$$ U.S. $$$ to be exact. They were submarined. And so the Grizzlies leaving town for US dollar reasons to a US market justifies this Vegas hockey situation in a US market that is Bettman's baby that will be guaranteed to succeed if he has his way. Sorry I don't follow the logic. My point is the Knights have been set up for success beyond what is reasonably fair to the existing teams who have paid their dues. Plus more teams just dilutes the level of play even further. There are only so many world class elite players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, Master Mind said: Some surprising choices. Detroit with Howard, Tampa with Coburn, Arizona with Johnson, Isles only protecting 3 forwards... I wonder if they're all because of side deals. Johnson is the only UFA that has been protected. Vegas cannot contact him during the expansion window. Each team has to expose at least one goalie that is either qualified or under contract for next season - only Domingue meets that minimum requirement as Johnson is UFA. Arizona had no choice but to expose Domingue so they had a protection spot open at G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukini Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 27 minutes ago, Borvat said: They left town because of what Vegas is getting? But Vegas wasn't in the league and the Grizzlies were a basketball team. Plus this comment from Griffith's: The Grizzlies in Vancouver never got that chance. As the Raptors were making the playoffs, the Grizzlies were floundering, running up a 101-369 record in six seasons. There were assurances when the team was sold to Michael Heisley for $160-million in 2000 that every effort would be made to keep the team in Vancouver, but they seemed hollow at best. The Grizzlies were gone a year later and Heisley has been a villain ever since, although the fact the Canadian dollar was trading at roughly 67 cents compared to the US dollar at the time helps his case. Stern blew it, according to Griffiths. “Are you telling me that even then Memphis was a better market than Vancouver? Come on,” says Griffiths. “The reality is Heisley had every intention of bankrupting the fanbase, alienating people, not marketing the team, presenting the argument that basketball didn’t work in Vancouver and Stern bought it. He pulled the wool over the eyes of the NBA, which was hard to do.” Griffiths believes the NBA could still work in Vancouver given the market’s growth and with an MLSE-like pairing with the Canucks, but with Stern leaving it will fall in the hands of his successor Adam Silver to make things right. The Grizzlies were made to fail on many many accounts, from the get go. They weren't allowed to draft first overall for a set number of years and were generally handicapped and handcuffed. If you want to introduce a new team you need to make them have the chance to be competitive or be in the playoffs within the first five years. Other teams that can't shouldn't blame Vegas for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borvat Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 12 minutes ago, Zhukini said: The Grizzlies were made to fail on many many accounts, from the get go. They weren't allowed to draft first overall for a set number of years and were generally handicapped and handcuffed. If you want to introduce a new team you need to make them have the chance to be competitive or be in the playoffs within the first five years. Other teams that can't shouldn't blame Vegas for that So which team / circumstances would you rather have? That of Vegas or many of the other teams who have had to construct a roster through hard work, effort, development and taking chances at the draft? I think this is wonderful for Vegas. Mr Bettman couldn't have given them a better chance to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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