[GDT] 2017 NHL Entry Draft

[steviewonder20]

13 minutes ago, vancan2233 said:

The hard gainer thing is only people who do not know how to train and eat the right way to gain weight. I thought I was a hard gainer until i educated myself. In most cases people who claim to be hard gainers do not eat enough and try to train to much or not smartly. I can take any tiny little weak person and put 10 to 20 pounds of muscle on their frame in a few months, especial if they are new to the weights. Their is a science to gaining weight and all the sports teams have the trainers that can apply that science to any athlete. Petterson well be playing at around 180 to 195+ in his prime. The thing about athletes is finding their ideal playing weight, where they have the most strength and speed well keeping cardio. I for one at 5'9 am just as strong at 175 as I am at 190. I feel a lot better at 175 then 190 even though my body fat remains the same. I graduated high school with about 3 years of weight training at 140 pounds. I then decided I was doing something wrong so I research every fitness and sport training info I could get my hands on. From the age of 18 to 20 I put on 35 to 50 pounds of muscle on a very small frame(my wrist are 5.5 and ankles 7.5 inches).

I do understand that it is about training and diet and that a 'hard gainer' can add weight and muscle. However, it is easiest to do this during puberty and it becomes progressively harder with age for ectomorphs: https://www.thoughtco.com/bodybuilding-advice-for-hardgainers-415304

 

my point was simply that those stating that it's easy for Petterson to add 20-30 lbs of muscle b/c he is young, are not looking at his body type (ectomorph). Most athletes are a mesomorph. He is young enough to add weight, it just takes a much more rigid schedule than for most athletes.

[420since1974]

My body type is 60% Endomorph and 40% Mesomorph.

I was 6' 0", 170 lbs. at age 20.

Working out at a gym for two years increased my weight to 210 lbs.

 

That said, I was never a top flight athlete (recreational leagues only).

[vancan2233]

Just now, steviewonder20 said:

I do understand that it is about training and diet and that a 'hard gainer' can add weight and muscle. However, it is easiest to do this during puberty and it becomes progressively harder with age for ectomorphs: https://www.thoughtco.com/bodybuilding-advice-for-hardgainers-415304

 

my point was simply that those stating that it's easy for Petterson to add 20-30 lbs of muscle b/c he is young, are not looking at his body type (ectomorph). Most athletes are a mesomorph. He is young enough to add weight, it just takes a much more rigid schedule than for most athletes.

Yes, but I am telling you that article is bull. Ask any pro trainer those you have a degree in sports science or higher who have trained all types of people from the average to pro athlete and they we tell you more to this article: http://www.jmaxfitness.com/blog/hardgainer-myth/

Here is an other article from one of the most thought after Canadian pro trainer Charle Poliquin: http://www.coachmag.co.uk/exercises/1954/train-your-brain-charles-poliquin

The point is there is no such thing as a hard gainer, everyone gain at a different rate. You and/or your trainer have to find the right balance of training to gain then balance that with the right amount of calories. It just take more effort and time for some. Those who call themselves hard gainer just do not understand how to train or not willing to put the time in to find want work for them. Unless you have a accurate record of your workouts and meals you are not doing enough to find what has been working and what has not.

[TheHitman]

Kole Lind looks like an intriguing prospect. Speed, skill, and IQ are all there but the shot could use a ton of work. 

[cripplereh]

Lind will be a decent winger man and yes I agree his shot with a bit of work

 

 

Edited June 26, 2017 by cripplereh

[-Vintage Canuck-]

Just now, cripplereh said:

Lind will be a decent D man and yes I agree his shot with a bit of work could make it a PP point guy with Olli so things are looking up for our D in the future

Huh? Kole Lind is not a defenceman.

[steviewonder20]

29 minutes ago, 420since1974 said:

My body type is 60% Endomorph and 40% Mesomorph.

I was 6' 0", 170 lbs. at age 20.

Working out at a gym for two years increased my weight to 210 lbs.

 

That said, I was never a top flight athlete (recreational leagues only).

Endomorphs are the opposite of ectomorphs and find it easy to add weight or muscle.

[cripplereh]

oops yes sorry was thinking of someone else,lol my mistake

[vancan2233]

Just now, cripplereh said:

Lind will be a decent D man and yes I agree his shot with a bit of work could make it a PP point guy with Olli so things are looking up for our D in the future

Lind is a forward, you mean Jack Rathbone

[cripplereh]

yes I was on the wrong page,lol

[steviewonder20]

30 minutes ago, vancan2233 said:

Yes, but I am telling you that article is bull. Ask any pro trainer those you have a degree in sports science or higher who have trained all types of people from the average to pro athlete and they we tell you more to this article: http://www.jmaxfitness.com/blog/hardgainer-myth/

Here is an other article from one of the most thought after Canadian pro trainer Charle Poliquin: http://www.coachmag.co.uk/exercises/1954/train-your-brain-charles-poliquin

The point is there is no such thing as a hard gainer, everyone gain at a different rate. You and/or your trainer have to find the right balance of training to gain then balance that with the right amount of calories. It just take more effort and time for some. Those who call themselves hard gainer just do not understand how to train or not willing to put the time in to find want work for them. Unless you have a accurate record of your workouts and meals you are not doing enough to find what has been working and what has not.

We need to agree to disagree on this issue. The gym I go to is run by a kinesiolgist and medical exercise specialist/personal trainer. He's told me about what's involved in gaining muscle weight as a 'hard gainer' and was the first person who suggested I google the term to understand what's involved, especially for a senior citizen ectomorph, like myself. I hope Petterson packs on 20-25 lbs of muscle so he can compete with the big, strong centers in the west.

[vancan2233]

Just now, steviewonder20 said:

We need to agree to disagree on this issue. The gym I go to is run by a kinesiolgist and medical exercise specialist/personal trainer. He's told me about what's involved in gaining muscle weight as a 'hard gainer' and was the first person who suggested I google the term to understand what's involved, especially for a senior citizen ectomorph, like myself. I hope Petterson packs on 20-25 lbs of muscle so he can compete with the big, strong centers in the west.

Yes, one suggestion research Charle Poliquin , the man is one of the leaders in advancement in the fitness world especial in strength training.

[Phat Fingers]

3 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

What a ridiculous comparison. Wayne was traded to L.A while MM stayed in Edmonton and then played on a stacked Rangers team. Again you would be the only person to take Mark over Wayne. That's laughable. 

I like Leon, he elevates his game, is one heck of a center and won't destroy a teams cap with a huge salary to same affect as CMd. 

 

The rumour has 14m as the contract demand.  Yes he's really good, but how do you build a team with one guy getting 20% on the cap?  

 

Nowhere do I say Leon is more skilled or better than CMd, but he certainly was the best Oiler forward in the playoffs and I don't think that was a coincidence.  

 

That's my take... it's June and I don't give a $&!#, but if CMd screws the Oilers cap, awesome. 

[TheHitman]

1 hour ago, steviewonder20 said:

We need to agree to disagree on this issue. The gym I go to is run by a kinesiolgist and medical exercise specialist/personal trainer. He's told me about what's involved in gaining muscle weight as a 'hard gainer' and was the first person who suggested I google the term to understand what's involved, especially for a senior citizen ectomorph, like myself. I hope Petterson packs on 20-25 lbs of muscle so he can compete with the big, strong centers in the west.

This should be the case for most gyms. 

[PuckYa]

20 hours ago, Crabcakes said:

I think you're miscasting Virtanen.  When he was drafted, Benning said he was picked because he brought a unique skill set.  What he was saying is that it is not every year when a player with a power forward profile is ranked in the top 10.  Benning has always drafted speed and skill.  Jake is fast.  Skill?  That's the power forward part and Benning always likes a player with a good shot which Jake has.

I never said Jake has no skill. Just Nylander & Ehlers have MORE, but Jake has MORE size.

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[DeNiro]

7 hours ago, vinny_in_vancouver said:

They don't always fill out. I know a lot of guys whose frames are wide but whose metabolism is very high and they're lean and strong but could never fill out. One of the things I love about Elias is his non-stop motor, but I'm wondering if that speaks to a high metabolism. Also, some people "fill out" but lose explosiveness. Again, I know some people who are like that. Benning actually had to address this concern about not filling out: "We’ve already asked those questions about his brother and how much he weighed and stuff. Elias is not real heavy right now, but he’s wiry-strong and has good balance on the puck. If he can get to 185 or 190 pounds like his brother, with the balance he has on his skates, he’ll be plenty strong enough." Notice the word 'if' and not 'when'. There is a risk.

I do like getting him as I'd pay money to watch him play but as for whether he would have gone ahead of Patrick with just those numbers, I think you're overrating that league and forgetting that Elias didn't have good numbers in international competition and Sweden didn't even put him at center. 

I would say those people are an exception. Don't know too many people that weighed the same amount at 18 as they did at 25. You have to have a pretty fast metabolism for that to happen.

 

Point is lots of these young guys come in weighing 160-170 pounds and they end up adding 15-20 lbs no problem. Gotta remember these aren't just your average people, they have access to world class trainers and dietitians. He'll be fine.

 

And as for overrating that league, Pettersson was playing against men vs  Patrick who was dominating kids as young as 15 in junior. Each of them have their flaws, including Patrick's injury history. Bottom line is, teams do shy away from smaller weaker players. If Pettersson was as big as Patrick, I don't have any doubt he'd be in the conversation for top 3 at least. 

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Nolan Patrick will miss development camp following abdominal surgery he had on June 13th.

[PuckYa]

Not picking on anybody, just really interesting & funny how we respond to the moment. What a panic if you go back to page 27 about half way down. lol. Too funny.  

It was all about Vilardi or Glass including myself.  What 7 months can do.  Patience is a virtue.

 

 

 

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:38 PM, PunjabiCanucks said:

 

#%#@%

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:38 PM, cripplereh said:

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:38 PM, Silky mitts said:

Oh god

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:38 PM, Whale Tail said:

What....

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:38 PM, RRypien37 said:

Jesus christ.....RIP 

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:38 PM, Lulover88 said:

what just happened ?

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:38 PM, Chris12345 said:

wtf

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:39 PM, kenhodgejr said:

WHAT THE

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:39 PM, messier's_elbow said:

Benning should be fired

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:39 PM, Great Granny said:

Yikes!!!

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:39 PM, Apricot said:

i'm sorry....what

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:39 PM, Squamfan said:

you gotta be be kidding me

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:39 PM, Silky mitts said:

Bennington strikes again

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:39 PM, Hutton Wink said:

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:39 PM, Bo53 said:

NO GOD NO PLEAS GOD NO

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:39 PM, Baratheon said:

Oh boy

Controversy here we go!!

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:39 PM, the_impersonator13 said:

Stupid Pick

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:39 PM, 19Nazzy91 said:

NOOOOOO WHY

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:39 PM, nucksnavsfan said:

WTF, omg, it was Glass or Vilardi Benning !!!!!

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:39 PM, Nancouver said:

Benning you idiot!!

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:39 PM, High and Inside said:

Your fired Jim!! 

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:39 PM, Dombrova22 said:

Is this a joke? What in the fck. 

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:40 PM, appleboy said:

Sad

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:40 PM, redhdlois said:

No offence to him, but the kid is a pinhead

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:40 PM, Lulover88 said:

i feel sick actually 

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:40 PM, steviewonder20 said:

OMG this is a joke, right? We could have had Glass or Vilardi and passed on them??? 

 

On 6/23/2017 at 4:41 PM, Warhippy said:

ARE YOU FKKKIII NIBYVGSOHB:JBSLKJVSKJHFJHSVK

 

 

We passed on Glass and Vilardi.

 

A linden and a getzlaf compatible player on the board for either one

 

And he takes the 5 year project.

 

It is what it is, but do NOT expect to see him for a minimum of 4-6 years

 

[RRypien37]

29 minutes ago, CoolCanucklehead said:

Not picking on anybody, just really interesting & funny how we respond to the moment. What a panic if you go back to page 27 about half way down. lol. Too funny.  

It was all about Vilardi or Glass including myself.  What 7 months can do.  Patience is a virtue.

 

Well considering he hasn't played a single NHL game yet, this means nothing. Yes  I will admit he has been impressive, but until I see he how he does in a meaningful amount of NHL games I will reserve my judgement. 

Edited January 19, 2018 by RRypien37