Derp... Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 1 hour ago, BI3KSALLENT said: Just curious but it says on the SEAL chart he had 18g-21A-43gp, but he finished the season with 19g-22A-43gp on Elite so are the charts #'s wrong for him? Shoot out winner is a goal in sweden so they probably took that one out. However his 6 points in 3 playoff games more than makes up for that difference. Taking out the shootout winner and adding playoffs brings him ti 46 in 46. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: One thing that seems readily apparent is that Pettersson has a fantastic effect on his linemates. His GF% WOWY chart, shown below, is just about as ideal as one could imagine: every single player he played with had significantly better on-ice results with him than away from him – including Dahlen. That's what a true playmaking center should do. It might also at least partially explains why he was less effective in international competition (playing the wing as opposed to center). Edited June 28, 2017 by 48MPHSlapShot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rizzuto&hatoum Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Wasn't EP one of the younger players on the Swedish WJC roster? (which would explain his low production) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSALLENT Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 26 minutes ago, rizzuto&hatoum said: Wasn't EP one of the younger players on the Swedish WJC roster? (which would explain his low production) There was only 3 players his age including him, as well as Rasmus Dahlin who was 16 at the time of the tournament. Elias Pettersson: 0-1-1pt in 6gp Lias Andersson: 3-0-3pt in 7gp Rasmus Dahlin: 1-1-2pt in 7gp Filip Gustavsson: .947% 2.00GAA 1gp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AlwaysACanuckFan Posted June 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2017 Deep dive: Pettersson, Lind & Gadjovich The Canucks selected three forwards with their first three selections of the 2017 NHL Entry Draft. By focusing on the forward ranks, the organization was able to inject some offensive punch to their prospect pool. All three of the players selected, Elias Pettersson, Kole Lind, and Jonah Gadjovich, possess different types of skillsets, but are all known for creating offence. Combining the eye-test and the statistical analysis is becoming an important aspect of prospects and all three of these players have some noteworthy stats from their draft seasons. Elias Pettersson Drafted from the same program as Canucks prospect Jonathan Dahlen, Pettersson was dominant this year for Timra. The two combined for the lion's share of Timra's offence. The season ended with Dahlen (25-19-44) leading the Red Eagles in scoring, and Pettersson (19-22-41) finishing second. The next closest player trailed Pettersson by 9 points and that was their centreman for a large portion of their season, Sebastian Lauritzen. The Dahlen-Pettersson combo controlled around 65% of the goals for (GF%) while on the ice for Timra, and helped improved everyone of their linemates GF% when on the ice together. The chart below shows 'with you or without you' for Elias Pettersson. It tells you which players he has played with, and how much their GF% is affected when playing with each other or together: It's clear that Pettersson made everyone else around him better. Pettersson led all draft eligible forward scoring in the Allsvenkan this year. Furthermore, the 6'2" and 165 lbs winger's 0.95 point per game is ranked third in Allsvenskan history amongst all under 19-year-old players, trailing only St Louis Blues centre Patrik Berglund and Columbus Blue Jackets centre William Karlsson. Unfortunately, due to his early birthday, Pettersson was unable to participate in the Under 18 World Junior Championships this year but he did play at the 2016 U18 in North Dakota. He finished the tournament with one goal and seven assists in eight games representing Sweden. He also participated in the U20 World Juniors this past winter and had one assist in 6 games. It's fair to expect that Pettersson will take on a larger offensive role at the World Juniors this December. Once Pettersson adds some strength and weight, his ability to create offence could be hard for teams to contain. His dynamic ability to create plays should be exciting fans for many years to come. Pettersson is expected to be moving to the Swedish Hockey League next season with the Vaxjo Lakers. Kole Lind Kole Lind is an intriguing prospect that Canucks management obviously rate very highly. At the conclusion of day one of the 2017 NHL Entry Draft, GM Jim Benning mentioned that there were a couple players that they had rated in the first round that were still available. They hoped to grab one of those players with the 33rd overall pick on the second day of the draft. Two picks into the 2nd round, and Kelowna Rockets forward Kole Lind was donning a Canucks jersey. Measuring in at 6'1" and 176 lbs, Lind is another player whose play looks good to the eye test and when adding in the layer of data, the pick looks even more impressive. Lind started the season a little slow, but after the 10 game mark, he took off. Ending the season with 87 points (30-57-87) in 70 games. That total was 15th in the WHL, and fourth amongst first time draft eligible WHL forwards. His point-per-game rate of 1.24 PPG was ranked 5th amongst that same peer group: That 1.24 PPG was 8th amongst all first time eligible forwards in the Canadian Hockey League. Six of the seven players were selected in the first round of the 2017 NHL Entry Draft. The Shaunavan, Saskatechewan native only averaged an estimated 15:28 of ice time per game for the Rockets. That is well below his counterparts eTOI. With more responsibility and ice time, the right winger could see his production increase next season. He has the ability to create offence in a variety of ways and should be exciting to watch in the WHL this upcoming season. Jonah Gadjovich Following right behind Lind in terms of production was the Canucks second selection in the second round, Owen Sound Attack forward Jonah Gadjovich. The gritty winger ended his OHL campaign with 1.23 PPG, finishing 9th in the CHL when looking at first time eligible forwards. That number was 4th amongst the Ontario Hockey League forwards who were hoping hear the name called. The more you look and compare Gadjovich to his competition in the OHL, the more you see encouraging signs. The Whitby, Ontario native ended the season with 46 goals, which was third in the entire OHL. His 275 shots were 8th in the entire league, while his teammate and fellow Canucks draftee Petrus Palmu ranked 7th with 278 shots. Needless to say, they both shot a lot. That's encouraging as their point totals were not inflated by unsustainable shooting percentages or luck. Gadjovich makes his living in front of the net, battling and creating offence in the hard areas of the ice. The shot data supports that with 46 of his 275 shots coming from high danger areas. That number was 3rd in the entire OHL and indicated that he was forcing his way to the net and getting his chances. Furthermore, 90 more shots were taken in medium danger areas. This means 49% of shots were in medium or high danger locations. His 4.58 shots per game was ranked 2nd amongst the first time draft eligible forwards and 4th in the OHL. After October 22nd, Gadjovich did not have a single game without a shot on goal, and that game in October was the only contest where he didn't registering a shot. All of those shot and goal totals indicate that Gadjovich is doing all the right things. If he can add another step or two to his skating, the 6'2" and 200 lbs left winger could become a physical and lethal force for the Canucks for years to come. The three forwards that the Canucks selected early in the 2017 NHL Entry Draft have different skill-sets and strengths. But the overriding theme to all of them is their versatility and ability to make their teammates better. All three of them are expected to take on bigger roles next season for their respective teams and those added responsibilities should allow the newest Canucks prospects to flourish. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borvat Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: Even if Gadjovispch, Boeser or Jake are on the other side? With Horvat Granlund and one of the above on the next line. I get the "line" mix approach - skill/size etc, but in the playoffs it's more one on one as teams will focus in on weakness. Your top players need to be able to play through the grind. If our top line is Dahlen and Pettersen and ? I must admit I am a little concerned. Again, time will tell and I hope my concerns are just that. But after watching the Penguins and Nashville go at it........ Crosby doesn't back down or shy away. Neither do Toews or Kopitar. You could see McDavid was surprised with how even the stars get treated when the real season starts. He kept looking at the Ref's and they kept letting 'em play. He will need to learn to suck it up and play through it. Edited June 29, 2017 by Borvat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonder__Bread Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 42 minutes ago, Borvat said: I get the "line" mix approach - skill/size etc, but in the playoffs it's more one on one as teams will focus in on weakness. Your top players need to be able to play through the grind. If our top line is Dahlen and Pettersen and ? I must admit I am a little concerned. Again, time will tell and I hope my concerns are just that. But after watching the Penguins and Nashville go at it........ Crosby doesn't back down or shy away. Neither do Toews or Kopitar. You could see McDavid was surprised with how even the stars get treated when the real season starts. He kept looking at the Ref's and they kept letting 'em play. He will need to learn to suck it up and play through it. Where is the basis for this argument? Just look at how many times he gets shoved or hit hard into the boards, no matter how hard he goes down, he always gets back up. He's shown countless times that when the going gets tough he steps his game up. You can reference the WJC all you want but one tournament doesn't make a player. Also he didn't put up stats in the WJC but he definitely was impressive. He dangled through defenses with ease several times and just got unlucky with the finish and he did that being one of the youngest players on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonder__Bread Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 22 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: This got a chuckle out of me, considering it's pretty damn accurate CDC is always good for chuckle here and there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) Edited June 29, 2017 by AlwaysACanuckFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 58 minutes ago, Borvat said: I get the "line" mix approach - skill/size etc, but in the playoffs it's more one on one as teams will focus in on weakness. Your top players need to be able to play through the grind. If our top line is Dahlen and Pettersen and ? I must admit I am a little concerned. Again, time will tell and I hope my concerns are just that. But after watching the Penguins and Nashville go at it........ Crosby doesn't back down or shy away. Neither do Toews or Kopitar. You could see McDavid was surprised with how even the stars get treated when the real season starts. He kept looking at the Ref's and they kept letting 'em play. He will need to learn to suck it up and play through it. I think that the twin analogy is leading people to forecast Dalhen and Pettersson on the same line. Nowhere is it written this must be so. I think keeping the twins on the same line held them back and has made it far easier to defend their attack. My advise, just be happy we have two good prospects that already have chemistry and let it play out from there. For all we know Jake and Jonah could end up with Pettersson as their center. That's some meat and potatoes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 18 minutes ago, Wonder__Bread said: Where is the basis for this argument? Just look at how many times he gets shoved or hit hard into the boards, no matter how hard he goes down, he always gets back up. He's shown countless times that when the going gets tough he steps his game up. You can reference the WJC all you want but one tournament doesn't make a player. Also he didn't put up stats in the WJC but he definitely was impressive. He dangled through defenses with ease several times and just got unlucky with the finish and he did that being one of the youngest players on the team. Apparently he was injured for some of the WJC. Playing wing. If true, it shows some guts and ability to play thru pain. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adarsh Sant Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 I was watching some of his highlights..........damn this guy is really skilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vancan2233 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 3 hours ago, Borvat said: I get the "line" mix approach - skill/size etc, but in the playoffs it's more one on one as teams will focus in on weakness. Your top players need to be able to play through the grind. If our top line is Dahlen and Pettersen and ? I must admit I am a little concerned. Again, time will tell and I hope my concerns are just that. But after watching the Penguins and Nashville go at it........ Crosby doesn't back down or shy away. Neither do Toews or Kopitar. You could see McDavid was surprised with how even the stars get treated when the real season starts. He kept looking at the Ref's and they kept letting 'em play. He will need to learn to suck it up and play through it. Little Jake did pretty good in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Looked back at the draft year highlights for Nylander, Pastrnak, and Wennberg. Pettersson is easily there with those guys in terms of skill. Wennberg was 6'1.5" 185 Pastrnak was 5'11" 170 Nylander was 5'11.5" 173 Even last year in the playoffs he had 4 points in 5 games, and then followed that up with 6 in 3 games this year. He is a playoff performer more than an international tournament performer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 It will be interesting to see how Petterson does at the next WJC. Hopefully our two 2nd rounders make team Canada as well along with Our new goalie. I was bummed Boeser couldn't play last year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 4 hours ago, Derp... said: Looked back at the draft year highlights for Nylander, Pastrnak, and Wennberg. Pettersson is easily there with those guys in terms of skill. Wennberg was 6'1.5" 185 Pastrnak was 5'11" 170 Nylander was 5'11.5" 173 Even last year in the playoffs he had 4 points in 5 games, and then followed that up with 6 in 3 games this year. He is a playoff performer more than an international tournament performer. I mentioned That a few pages back. I don't think many people even glanced at his playoff stats. Off the charts. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 2 hours ago, 73 Percent said: I mentioned That a few pages back. I don't think many people even glanced at his playoff stats. Off the charts. Nice one, ya even compared to those other top prospects he out performed all of the in the postseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksander Barkov Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Sky is the limit for this kid! I like the RyJo comparison but his hands remind me more of Drouin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 On 6/28/2017 at 4:53 PM, 48MPHSlapShot said: That's what a true playmaking center should do. It might also at least partially explains why he was less effective in international competition (playing the wing as opposed to center). He didn't have best WJC but was a beast at his other Intl play last year getting 7 points in 3 games or something like that. Interesting to see how this year goes for him as wiling to bet it will be stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 On 2017-06-28 at 10:41 PM, Derp... said: Looked back at the draft year highlights for Nylander, Pastrnak, and Wennberg. Pettersson is easily there with those guys in terms of skill. Wennberg was 6'1.5" 185 Pastrnak was 5'11" 170 Nylander was 5'11.5" 173 Even last year in the playoffs he had 4 points in 5 games, and then followed that up with 6 in 3 games this year. He is a playoff performer more than an international tournament performer. Sample size is a little small for playoffs, but it definitely looks good. We don't need another Edler that plays better in Sweden's jersey than ours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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