Elias Pettersson | #40 | C

[aGENT]

14 hours ago, N7Nucks said:

Sample size is a little small for playoffs, but it definitely looks good. We don't need another Edler that plays better in Sweden's jersey than ours.

Line mates and team depth matter. 

[Ghost-M]

On 6/28/2017 at 11:41 PM, Derp... said:

Looked back at the draft year highlights for Nylander, Pastrnak, and Wennberg. Pettersson is easily there with those guys in terms of skill.

Wennberg was 6'1.5" 185

Pastrnak was 5'11" 170

Nylander was 5'11.5" 173

Even last year in the playoffs he had 4 points in 5 games, and then followed that up with 6 in 3 games this year. He is a playoff performer more than an international tournament performer.
 

 

Not sure about those weights, if we are discussing pettersson weight and height compared to these players, it should be compared to the combine stats we are going by and those weights are higher for those players.

 

Pettersson was 165 at the combine

 

Nylander 5'11 was 169 at the combine

Pastrnak 6'0 was 167 at the combine.

 

[Derp...]

5 hours ago, Ghost-M said:

Not sure about those weights, if we are discussing pettersson weight and height compared to these players, it should be compared to the combine stats we are going by and those weights are higher for those players.

 

Pettersson was 165 at the combine

 

Nylander 5'11 was 169 at the combine

Pastrnak 6'0 was 167 at the combine.

 

Even better then! Thanks for grabbing those. 

[Gaudette Celly]

5 hours ago, Ghost-M said:

Not sure about those weights, if we are discussing pettersson weight and height compared to these players, it should be compared to the combine stats we are going by and those weights are higher for those players.

 

Pettersson was 165 at the combine

 

Nylander 5'11 was 169 at the combine

Pastrnak 6'0 was 167 at the combine.

 

And Pastrnak was in the AHL and NHL the very next season, and produced.  Granted, he's 2" shorter than Elias at a similar weight.

[Bobby_Lu1ngo]

Actual size and weight is less important than strength and balance. Every year you are seeing more young players well under 200 doing just fine in the nhl. 

 

Speed and skill is what its about... we know this. Happy with this pick.

[Rob_Zepp]

On 6/28/2017 at 10:41 PM, Derp... said:

Looked back at the draft year highlights for Nylander, Pastrnak, and Wennberg. Pettersson is easily there with those guys in terms of skill.

Wennberg was 6'1.5" 185

Pastrnak was 5'11" 170

Nylander was 5'11.5" 173

Even last year in the playoffs he had 4 points in 5 games, and then followed that up with 6 in 3 games this year. He is a playoff performer more than an international tournament performer.
 

 

Why does everyone harp on one tournament (WJC) where he as somewhat injured and played out of position.  During the Four Nations tournament in Gothenburg in November, also against U20 competition and of high calibre similar to WJC, he put up seven points in just three games. However, as it isn't North American centric the Four Nations tournaments get significantly less attention than the WJC, so the latter performance is the one that is typically talked about.   This may have benefited the Canucks in grabbing him at 5 versus someone taking him earlier potentially as perhaps that WJC stat is what shied some teams away.

[The Great 8]

45 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Why does everyone harp on one tournament (WJC) where he as somewhat injured and played out of position.  During the Four Nations tournament in Gothenburg in November, also against U20 competition and of high calibre similar to WJC, he put up seven points in just three games. However, as it isn't North American centric the Four Nations tournaments get significantly less attention than the WJC, so the latter performance is the one that is typically talked about.   This may have benefited the Canucks in grabbing him at 5 versus someone taking him earlier potentially as perhaps that WJC stat is what shied some teams away.

What allowed the Canucks to grab him at 5 was simply the crazy high value for top 4 dmen this draft. I also agree with you in that it was just a tournament which he didn't play well. Which shouldn't make or break his career.

[Derp...]

11 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Why does everyone harp on one tournament (WJC) where he as somewhat injured and played out of position.  During the Four Nations tournament in Gothenburg in November, also against U20 competition and of high calibre similar to WJC, he put up seven points in just three games. However, as it isn't North American centric the Four Nations tournaments get significantly less attention than the WJC, so the latter performance is the one that is typically talked about.   This may have benefited the Canucks in grabbing him at 5 versus someone taking him earlier potentially as perhaps that WJC stat is what shied some teams away.

International Jr. Career Stats For All Tournaments:

11G 26A in 60 Games
0.62 Points Per Game

Career Playoff Stats:

12G 23A in 22 Games 

1.59 Points Per Game

1 3 game tournament is a small sample size compared to his performance over his career. I understand that tournament get's overlooked, but it doesn't impact his career totals much.

[Rob_Zepp]

9 minutes ago, Derp... said:

International Jr. Career Stats For All Tournaments:

11G 26A in 60 Games
0.62 Points Per Game

Career Playoff Stats:

12G 23A in 22 Games 

1.59 Points Per Game

1 3 game tournament is a small sample size compared to his performance over his career. I understand that tournament get's overlooked, but it doesn't impact his career totals much.

"Career" stats for a kid is an interesting thing.  I was just talking about last season.   When a kid is this young, taking stuff from even a year ago and using it in aggregate is pretty teunous when looking for trends.

[Derp...]

3 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

"Career" stats for a kid is an interesting thing.  I was just talking about last season.   When a kid is this young, taking stuff from even a year ago and using it in aggregate is pretty teunous when looking for trends.

I agree, but I do think it is a better long term indication of performance than any 1 tournament by itself. Agreed?

[Rob_Zepp]

1 hour ago, Derp... said:

I agree, but I do think it is a better long term indication of performance than any 1 tournament by itself. Agreed?

Agreed but still think with anyone under 20, let's take it a season at a time.

[kenhodgejr]

If we don't draft Rasmus Dahlin next year I would love if we could get Andrei Svechnikov. I think his combination of size, shot, offence, and hard play would round out a forward line nicely with Petterson & Dahlen 

 

Dahlen Petterson Svechnikov 

 

 

[Camel Toe Drag]

3 hours ago, kenhodgejr said:

If we don't draft Rasmus Dahlin next year I would love if we could get Andrei Svechnikov. I think his combination of size, shot, offence, and hard play would round out a forward line nicely with Petterson & Dahlen 

 

Dahlen Petterson Svechnikov 

 

 

Svech would be in the league before Dahlen and Pettersson. 

[AlwaysACanuckFan]

 

His take on Gunnarsson 

 

His take on Dahlen..

 

 

His best friend on Pettersson..

Linden on both Pettersson and Dahlen

 

[PuckYa]

On 6/23/2017 at 4:51 PM, Warhippy said:

The biggest fear I have with Petterson is his ability to actually gain weight

 

Look at the breadth of his shoulders.  He's not much different than the female anouncer.  They're about as wide across the shoulders as each other.

 

That slight of a frame will have a very tough time putting on weight and I can see him around 180 pounds in 2-4 years.

 

Think about a 180 pound center here in the west/pacific as a 1st line center.

 

I have a lot of faith and hope in him but there's a long LONG term project in our organization in Petterson

Patrick Kane is 175 lbs today. How's he been doing playing at that weight & under all his life.

I believe Datsyuk wasn't a huge man either. etc.

 

Edited July 5, 2017 by CoolCanucklehead

[logic]

Even if they aren't linemates forever, having a guy that you know you have chemistry with when you're coming into a team for the first time is definitely a good thing.

[alfstonker]

9 hours ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said:

 

His take on Gunnarsson 

 

His take on Dahlen..

 

 

His best friend on Pettersson..

Linden on both Pettersson and Dahlen

 

Man, I just hope if these two are to carry our first line hopes we get a good 3rd man capable of destroying anyone who takes liberties.

We don't want history repeating itself. We have had nearly 15 years of being fore-warned and to ignore the past mistakes and worse still repeat them is incompetent.

 

Maybe Jonah Gadjovich is up to the task, who knows, but we better have someone lined up and soon.

[ruilin96]

28 minutes ago, alfstonker said:

Man, I just hope if these two are to carry our first line hopes we get a good 3rd man capable of destroying anyone who takes liberties.

We don't want history repeating itself. We have had nearly 15 years of being fore-warned and to ignore the past mistakes and worse still repeat them is incompetent.

 

Maybe Jonah Gadjovich is up to the task, who knows, but we better have someone lined up and soon.

Or maybe even Virtanen, I still haven't given up on him yet

[Bigturk8]

2 hours ago, alfstonker said:

Man, I just hope if these two are to carry our first line hopes we get a good 3rd man capable of destroying anyone who takes liberties.

We don't want history repeating itself. We have had nearly 15 years of being fore-warned and to ignore the past mistakes and worse still repeat them is incompetent.

 

Maybe Jonah Gadjovich is up to the task, who knows, but we better have someone lined up and soon.

I think Jonah could very well be the guy. He played along side a similar, high skilled centeman in Nick Suzuki and thrived there. He also seems super motivated, with an excellent work ethic. Obviously, there are a ton of variables that could derail this, but there is reason to believe that he could rise to the occasion.

Edit: Just had a look and realized that both Dahlen and Gadjovich are LW's, so it may not be an ideal pairing. That is unless one of them is fine playing off wing. I know some players can do it without missing a beat but I don't know enough about these guys to know if they're capable.

Edited July 5, 2017 by Bigturk8

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

1 hour ago, alfstonker said:

We don't want history repeating itself. We have had nearly 15 years of being fore-warned and to ignore the past mistakes and worse still repeat them is incompetent.

This feels strangely like you're saying the Sedin era was a mistake. Or am I misreading something?

 

I get that people feel (sometimes legitimately but not always) that this team has had some issues with "pushback" and toughness over the past 15 years. But I'm not sure you can lay the blame for that at the feet of the twins. That's more of an overall roster issue. I think you could build a team that was plenty tough and still have the (prime) Sedins as your first line. And I'd argue that the best teams of the Sedin era had enough size and sandpaper to win in this league (both regular season and playoffs).

 

The Cup loss was more about injuries and an opposing goalie who got hot at the right time (and maybe some league shenanigans that tilted the ice against us).

 

I dont think we would have gotten better results if we'd just been tougher. In fact, whenever we played "old school playoff hockey" (and there were plenty of series under AV where we were the more physical team), it seems like whenever we'd crash and bang and look to intimidate, we just ended up with a parade to the penalty box.

 

I actually think the biggest mistake of the past 15 years was the way we overreacted to the Cup loss and tried to change the way we played. We had a winning formula and we the best team in the league for a time. The mistake IMO was thinking we needed to change that model to win.

 

Similarly, I think we can build a unit around Pettersson (assuming he develops as hoped) that can be an effective NHL first line. Especially backed up by Horvat's line and what hopefully becomes a very deep overall roster.

 

I do think the Sedins and Pettersson make for interesting comparables though. The twins have played their entire careers at around 185 lbs. When they started out, some of that was "baby fat" and they eventually leaned out and replaced their body fat with muscle.

 

With Pettersson, if he can add some muscle mass, could very well top out at a similar weight and build to the twins. And I don't see him having issues playing in the NHL at that size. Especially given how well he's already performed against men in Sweden at his current weight. Plus he's quite willing to go to the tough areas and really doesn't shy away from contact. He'll never play a "heavy game" but I also don't think he's the type of player to wilt when faced with the physicality of the NHL. He does need to get stronger. That much is obvious. But if he adds the muscle and gets to 180ish lbs (and apparently he's already working with a trainer toward that goal), I think he's gonna be fine.