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5 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Another bit on EP from a non-Canuck perspective.   Was talking with an Oiler's associated scout who has been following decent development of their 2016 pick defensemen Filip Berglund of Skellefteå.   We chatted about Berglund (who he sees as a slightly more talented Holm in terms of SEL recents and who potentially projects to NHL in two more years) and, again for what it is worth, he figures EP is a lock for NHL next year, figures he could be in conversation for first overall if in the draft this year (if he was born just weeks earlier) and found it quite odd people think SEL is "soft" and that EP would find NA game tough.   He is the one who offered me up the Patrick Kane comparison last fall.   He also, for what it is worth, think people need to temper expectation on Dahlin as he figures he is great but not quite as good as Hedman was at same age in some key areas (that are key for NHL success) and it took better part of four or five seasons to become really dominant with Tampa.     

 

Some other thoughts from him, this time a bit mixed.  On the good, he thinks Dahlen is severely underrated and will surprise people in North America ("he is more like his Dad than many will understand - not big but what a pain in the assets to play against")  on the not so good, he is far from keen on Lind.   He spent two months in North America this past year and gave me a list of reasons like Lind will not make the NHL.   I don't fully agree at all but he points to Shinkaruk as a comparable type player.   Again, just his opinions and they are like, "assets".

Thanks for the update Rob. However I wouldn't put too much emphasis on what an oilers scout says since they haven't exactly been the model of drafting success the last ten years lol jk. 

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3 hours ago, canuckledraggin said:

The Bobby Fischer of hockey.

Bet you 90% of people won't know who that is lol.

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1 minute ago, TGokou said:

Not sure if it's been mentioned but EP has only played average of 16 minutes of icetime both in regular season and playoffs. Both Nicklas Backstrom and William Nylander played average of 19 minutes during their seasons so when you calculate from a points per minutes played EP's stats would be more impressive and I could see a situation where he has about 16% more points than he currently does if he had played 19 minutes a game.

William Nylander is a “double flamingo” player, and should never be mentioned in the same breath with our EP.  

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18 minutes ago, Alflives said:

William Nylander is a “double flamingo” player, and should never be mentioned in the same breath with our EP.  

Saw a play in the latter part of that first. He wanted to avoid contact and hesitated to take body contact. His teammate still got the puck but the D man closed in very quick. Got pinned vs the boards.

 

William seems hestitant to take contact. You can't win with that against the Bruins.

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Then you look at Marner, who almost uses the checks he receives to pinwheel off and keep on going.  He isn't out there trying to avoid it, but use the hits to keep the play going.

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50 minutes ago, TGokou said:

Bet you 90% of people won't know who that is lol.

Overrated chess player, but yeah, you are right.

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55 minutes ago, TGokou said:

Bet you 90% of people won't know who that is lol.

What about Boris Spassky then? 

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Just now, Alflives said:

What about Boris Spassky then? 

Chess prodigies are drama queens.

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6 minutes ago, Isam said:

Chess prodigies are drama queens.

I misread that as "chess pierogies" lol

 

I think my stomach is trying to tell me something. :lol:

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5 minutes ago, Rush17 said:

I misread that as "chess pierogies" lol

 

I think my stomach is trying to tell me something. :lol:

Mmmm cheese perogies!

 

I don’t know who to cheer for.  Leafs staying alive helps the comets... but I hate the leafs... AND I hate the Bruins... but I hate the leafs more I guess.  

 

Go Boston!

 

Oops.  Totally wrong thread... with the Marner talk I thought this was the Bos/Tor thread.  Ah well.  I stand by what I said.  All of it.

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4 hours ago, canuckledraggin said:

The Bobby Fischer of hockey.

Hopefully not that paranoid later life version of Bobby Fisher 

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16 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:

Mmmm cheese perogies!

 

I don’t know who to cheer for.  Leafs staying alive helps the comets... but I hate the leafs... AND I hate the Bruins... but I hate the leafs more I guess.  

 

Go Boston!

 

Oops.  Totally wrong thread... with the Marner talk I thought this was the Bos/Tor thread.  Ah well.  I stand by what I said.  All of it.

Lol. Let's hope the leafs win. Let our kids challenge for the Calder :)

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2 hours ago, Isam said:

Gronborg is the Swedish version of Willie d. He just likes grinders alot. 

 

Haha i’m picturing the swedish version of WD, like the swedish chef off sesame steet. Herdy gurdy, real gud, herdy furdy!!

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3 hours ago, Jester13 said:

 

What I love is the score and his drive to burry the goal still. This guy sure makes the loss of the Sedins a little easier. 

What I love is the fact that, in cutting to the net he contacts the Skelleftea defender...and just keeps going. The kid is sturdy on his skates!

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5 hours ago, Hutton Wink said:

Yeah, I don't see the comparable with Shinkaruk.  Lind is not afraid to go to the hard areas and doesn't simply feast on powerplay time.  Lind at 19 is already 2" taller and about the same weight (although I don't buy Hunter being anywhere near 190 unless something drastic happened the past couple years).

I don't think he was literally comparing for what it is worth.  When I pushed back he meant in terms of a player that could dominate in CHL who he didn't think could translate to NHL.   One opinion.   I don't fully agree with him either.

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8 hours ago, buddyguy said:

As others have said, as awesome as it is to see EP breaking records and stepping up his game for the playoffs, we need to temper our expectations a little bit. There will for sure be an adjustment period for him in the first couple of months of his NHL career.

 

Once he gets comfortable and starts adjusting to his teammates and the NHL pace, then watch out. He will turn into a stud. Just not in his first NHL game. Patience is key folks.

feel free to aim low if you wish

 

i expect him to score on his first shift

but i will be ok, and not hold it against him, if he does not

 

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7 hours ago, Attila Umbrus said:

Thanks for the update. I disagree about Lind as well. Just listening to Ryan Johnsons recent interview and he shed some really important light to me about Lind. Which is he is pretty shocked about the difference of hockey in the WHL compared to the AHL. Johnson goes on to state that he is happy with his progress as he is taking it all in stride and is taking the humble approach and watching and learning. Some prospects aren't ready right away. Some need to see what it's like to be a Pro every day all day on ice or off it, so to me it's still a win that he is taking this information and not getting cocky about it, and not taking this opportunity for granted whether he plays or not. 

not that my views have much value

 

but i do not think there is any doubt

that lind's drive and determination  appears to be elite quality

i never recall thinking that about shinkaruk

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