SamJamIam Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 2 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Not sure if that was the case in the past but it's definitely not now. SHL and pretty much every Euro league I follow award 2nd assists. Here's a game sheet from a recent SHL game (I just picked the one with the most goals this week): http://www.flashscore.ca/game/YFyLvUqm/#game-summary 11 of the 15 goals scored that game had 2nd assists. That said, they do seem to be a little more stingy handing out 2nd assists, especially in the KHL, and you generally have to do more than just be the third last guy to touch the puck to earn one. Was this an SEL to SHL switch thing that I never clued in on? Hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) 37 minutes ago, SamJamIam said: Was this an SEL to SHL switch thing that I never clued in on? Hmmm... I'm not sure when it comes to SEL vs SHL. I know many years ago the Czech league didn't count secondary assists. And I think maybe the old Russian Superleague (pre KHL). There definitely was a time when some of the leagues didn't. But I'd say from around 2008 or 2009 (maybe even earlier), most if not all elite European leagues have counted secondary assists. Edited October 4, 2017 by SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: I'm not sure when it comes to SEL vs SHL. I know many years ago the Czech league didn't count secondary assists. And I think maybe the old Russian Superleague (pre KHL). There definitely was a time when some of the leagues didn't. But I'd say from around 2008 or 2009 (maybe even earlier), most if not all elite European leagues have counted secondary assists. Now I feel old haha. Seems like just yesterday Edited October 4, 2017 by SamJamIam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kungfudru Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Does Elias play today?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Kungfudru said: Does Elias play today?? Probably. He was left off the Champions League roster (as were most of the top players) because they've already qualified for the next round. But Vaxjo has an SHL game against Mora today, starting at IIRC 10am Vancouver time. I'd expect Pettersson to be in the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 3 hours ago, Kungfudru said: Does Elias play today?? 28 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Probably. He was left off the Champions League roster (as were most of the top players) because they've already qualified for the next round. But Vaxjo has an SHL game against Mora today, starting at IIRC 10am Vancouver time. I'd expect Pettersson to be in the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 ^^That's strange. Is he nursing an injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 57 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: ^^That's strange. Is he nursing an injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 On 10/4/2017 at 6:13 AM, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Not sure if that was the case in the past but it's definitely not now. SHL and pretty much every Euro league I follow award 2nd assists. Here's a game sheet from a recent SHL game (I just picked the one with the most goals this week): http://www.flashscore.ca/game/YFyLvUqm/#game-summary 11 of the 15 goals scored that game had 2nd assists. That said, they do seem to be a little more stingy handing out 2nd assists, especially in the KHL, and you generally have to do more than just be the third last guy to touch the puck to earn one. I haven't watched much of the KHL at all but the SHL just seems inconsistent in the way they hand out secondary assists. But that's what happens when you don't have black and white rules on the way stats are collected. One scorekeeper may judge a play as worth of an assist whereas another may not. To me it's rather frustrating. On 10/4/2017 at 8:20 AM, SamJamIam said: Was this an SEL to SHL switch thing that I never clued in on? Hmmm... As far as I know the switch from SEL to SHL just changed the name of the league and I believe they adjusted the format of the playoffs. I did not follow the league as closely then as I do now, I am just going off of memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post samurai Posted October 5, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2017 On 9/2/2017 at 2:52 AM, J.R. said: The 94 SCF was arguably one of the best, most entertaining (and closest) finals in the history of the sport. I highly recommend you watch it (I believe the full series is actually available on Youtube). But while that Canucks squad certainly had some good players, they were nowhere near the league dominating force that the 2009-2012 Canucks team were. That team was in the top class of the league in those 3 seasons. Deep and exceedingly talented with best or near-best in league 5v5, PP and PK performance. They were good enough to be labeled a legit 'SC contender'. The 94 team, again while talented, always has had an element of 'lucky to be there'. Yes but is wasn't the cap era and we were going against teams that were trying to buy cups like the rangers. Our ownership at the time didn't have that kind of money. So in that sense we were lucky to get that far in that era However, that 94 was stacked with great talent. There was Bure but people forget Trevor had 32 goals in regular season and another 12 in the playoffs. It is like having McDavid and Drisaitl. And we had Courtnall, with 70 points, Ronning with 68, and Brown with 66. The 11 Canucks as you note was heavy on the PP and when that dried up in the finals it was our achilles heel. In contrast the 94 Nucks were a very well balanced and deep team. And since it had a very heavy Canadian flavor it was very very gritty and durable I think people tend to think that the 11 team was a better team than the 94 but I would disagree. Remember the back end , Babych, Lumme, Brown, Diduck, Hedican, Murzyn, Dirk - a Pat Quinn D. Babych was the second overall pick in 1980. People that followed the team closely at the time thought even before the playoffs that we had a shot that year. We were just over 500 but the team could on any night beat any in form team in the league that year. It was with that team under Quinn that put us on the map and where the franchise is today. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kungfudru Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) LaFayette hitting the post with 6:00 min left still gives me the shakes. We win that game in OT Edited October 5, 2017 by Kungfudru 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 2 hours ago, samurai said: Yes but is wasn't the cap era and we were going against teams that were trying to buy cups like the rangers. Our ownership at the time didn't have that kind of money. So in that sense we were lucky to get that far in that era However, that 94 was stacked with great talent. There was Bure but people forget Trevor had 32 goals in regular season and another 12 in the playoffs. It is like having McDavid and Drisaitl. And we had Courtnall, with 70 points, Ronning with 68, and Brown with 66. The 11 Canucks as you note was heavy on the PP and when that dried up in the finals it was our achilles heel. In contrast the 94 Nucks were a very well balanced and deep team. And since it had a very heavy Canadian flavor it was very very gritty and durable I think people tend to think that the 11 team was a better team than the 94 but I would disagree. Remember the back end , Babych, Lumme, Brown, Diduck, Hedican, Murzyn, Dirk - a Pat Quinn D. Babych was the second overall pick in 1980. People that followed the team closely at the time thought even before the playoffs that we had a shot that year. We were just over 500 but the team could on any night beat any in form team in the league that year. It was with that team under Quinn that put us on the map and where the franchise is today. Patt Quinn the greatest coach in Canucks history. The last time he coached the Canucks, that team said we were the hardest team they played against. 1996 Stanley cup Bureless Vancouver Canucks vs the Colorado Avalanche. We lost in 6, forgot who it was, Marc Crawford or Joe Sakic, mentioned that the Canucks were the hardest team they faced during their run. Coached by Patt Quinn. Very sad the 2011 team couldn't win it for Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheYjUstMaKeYoUwooZy Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Kungfudru said: LaFayette hitting the post with 6:00 min left still gives me the shakes. We win that game in OT What about bure in game 7 off the faceoff with less than a minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 4 hours ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: Patt Quinn the greatest coach in Canucks history. The last time he coached the Canucks, that team said we were the hardest team they played against. 1996 Stanley cup Bureless Vancouver Canucks vs the Colorado Avalanche. We lost in 6, forgot who it was, Marc Crawford or Joe Sakic, mentioned that the Canucks were the hardest team they faced during their run. Coached by Patt Quinn. Very sad the 2011 team couldn't win it for Vancouver. The 94 team would have been an nightmare for the 11 Bruins. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shad0w4life Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 13 hours ago, TheYjUstMaKeYoUwooZy said: What about bure in game 7 off the faceoff with less than a minute Gelinas ringing one off post IIR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 On 03/10/2017 at 0:11 PM, 73 Percent said: . I just plain old do not understand euro leagues man. Well if it's like soccer then picture a NHL season but a separate tourney where teams from other leagues participate like the AHL and KHL. Throughout the NHL season they pause the schedule and play round robin games so say the Canucks(NHL), Utica(AHL) and Moscow(KHL) are in one group. If the Canucks clinch that group before the round robin stage is over then essentially those remaining round robin games are meaningless so that's why it's a good idea to sit important players so they get rest and avoid injuries. I am just basing this off of FIFA video games but I believe that's how it works with UEFA Champions League. That's why structurally soccer is a very interesting sport, I just don't enjoy watching it lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan since 82 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Tre Mac said: Well if it's like soccer then picture a NHL season but a separate tourney where teams from other leagues participate like the AHL and KHL. Throughout the NHL season they pause the schedule and play round robin games so say the Canucks(NHL), Utica(AHL) and Moscow(KHL) are in one group. If the Canucks clinch that group before the round robin stage is over then essentially those remaining round robin games are meaningless so that's why it's a good idea to sit important players so they get rest and avoid injuries. I am just basing this off of FIFA video games but I believe that's how it works with UEFA Champions League. That's why structurally soccer is a very interesting sport, I just don't enjoy watching it lol. A good example except the teams are more evenly matched than the NHL/AHL/KHL scenario. That's only me nitpicking though because your explanation was great. Edited October 6, 2017 by Fan since 82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigerian Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Found an old name on the scoreboard the other day; Daniel Rahimi. Anyone remember him? Funny he’s on the same team as Elias. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantomex Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Nigerian said: Found an old name on the scoreboard the other day; Daniel Rahimi. Anyone remember him? Funny he’s on the same team as Elias. Rahimi and the infamous Patrick White were traded for Ehrhoff. Steal of a trade at the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 So it seems as though Pettersson's production has cooled off. 3 points in 6 games with no goals isn't exactly earth shattering. Can someone who's been watching the games tell me how he's been looking? Is his lack of production cause for concern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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