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19 hours ago, khay said:

I think 5v5 game will take off once the team builds up chemistry. I see quite a few times where puck gets dumped in when EP is available for a pass.

 

EP look frustrated... as if to say, "Damn it, why did you dump it in!! I was open, pass me the puck! I could have walked in and have taken a slapshot!" But being a Swede, he will never say it to that player.

 

Yes this has been my general impression while watching Elias as Vancouver. Apart from not wanting to say something. Either you see a pass or you dont. It seldom about not wanting it. But a few quality line mates and a bit more swagger is what Elias needs. 

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1 hour ago, higgyfan said:

You don't consider Miller and Boeser as quality linemates for Petey?:huh:

Quality linemates for sure. Boeser and Petey think the game similarly. But for Miller, he thinks it differently from EP. Although, EP seemed to have learned to dump the puck in smartly and that sometimes, dumping it in is the best option and in that regard, may they need someone like Miller (i.e., they need someone who think and plays differently from them to compliment their game). But EP probably wishes Miller would try to make plays rather than dumping it in because it is squandering the puck. For a big body player like Miller, he probably sees no problem going after it and taking it back but for Petey, it probably feels like an unnecessary use of energy and shortens the shift? 

 

I'm just guessing from watching EP's reactions when puck gets dumped in. There was few times where he looked frustrated, like banging the stick on the ice (but I'm not sure if it was Miller that caused that reaction).

 

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19 hours ago, khay said:

Quality linemates for sure. Boeser and Petey think the game similarly. But for Miller, he thinks it differently from EP. Although, EP seemed to have learned to dump the puck in smartly and that sometimes, dumping it in is the best option and in that regard, may they need someone like Miller (i.e., they need someone who think and plays differently from them to compliment their game). But EP probably wishes Miller would try to make plays rather than dumping it in because it is squandering the puck. For a big body player like Miller, he probably sees no problem going after it and taking it back but for Petey, it probably feels like an unnecessary use of energy and shortens the shift? 

 

I'm just guessing from watching EP's reactions when puck gets dumped in. There was few times where he looked frustrated, like banging the stick on the ice (but I'm not sure if it was Miller that caused that reaction).

 

 

Don't know if you've noticed but NHL teams are pretty good defending their zone/holding their line/maintaining gap. Carrying the puck in is not always an option. In fact, quite frequently it's a bad one (that's more likely to lead to a turnover the other way).

 

Dumping the puck in also puts pressure on their D, having to turn, and if you're following a dump in correctly, taking physical abuse in an to attempt to retrieve it. It also somewhat helps disrupt positioning as their defending forwards who have to start to chase rather than necessarily stay in their preferred formation. That can open gaps in coverage to exploit.

 

Now by all means, that's not to say that carrying the puck in, with possession, is not preferable. It's simply frequently not a good option.

 

If anything, from what I've read about Pettersson, I'd imagine any frustration is likely at his own ability in that moment to make a better play/better read/elude coverage (that's been far more of a wet blanket than last year) etc. 

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19 hours ago, khay said:

Quality linemates for sure. Boeser and Petey think the game similarly. But for Miller, he thinks it differently from EP. Although, EP seemed to have learned to dump the puck in smartly and that sometimes, dumping it in is the best option and in that regard, may they need someone like Miller (i.e., they need someone who think and plays differently from them to compliment their game). But EP probably wishes Miller would try to make plays rather than dumping it in because it is squandering the puck. For a big body player like Miller, he probably sees no problem going after it and taking it back but for Petey, it probably feels like an unnecessary use of energy and shortens the shift? 

 

I'm just guessing from watching EP's reactions when puck gets dumped in. There was few times where he looked frustrated, like banging the stick on the ice (but I'm not sure if it was Miller that caused that reaction).

 

Disagree, Miller and Petey have been great together. Petey dumps and chases in games as well, as does the rest of the team. It's not only Miller, it's the team as a collective.

 

It's Boeser that's been holding the line back at times. Poor passing, bad hockey plays, at times slow. This coming from a huge Boeser fan. Imo move Brock to Bo's line and put Gauds or Virtanen their for now. Podz could be the best fit their in the long term.

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1 hour ago, aGENT said:

 

Don't know if you've noticed but NHL teams are pretty good defending their zone/holding their line/maintaining gap. Carrying the puck in is not always an option. In fact, quite frequently it's a bad one (that's more likely to lead to a turnover the other way).

 

Dumping the puck in also puts pressure on their D, having to turn, and if you're following a dump in correctly, taking physical abuse in an to attempt to retrieve it. It also somewhat helps disrupt positioning as their defending forwards who have to start to chase rather than necessarily stay in their preferred formation. That can open gaps in coverage to exploit.

 

Now by all means, that's not to say that carrying the puck in, with possession, is not preferable. It's simply frequently not a good option.

 

If anything, from what I've read about Pettersson, I'd imagine any frustration is likely at his own ability in that moment to make a better play/better read/elude coverage (that's been far more of a wet blanket than last year) etc. 

 

Dumping the puck in is workman's way of getting a scoring chance. Carrying the puck in is something that is proven to be the most effective way to maintain control. If you can do that, you should do it 100% of the times. As you wisely noticed, it is on many occasions a poor decision. However, there are times, when such an option becomes available and it can directly lead to scoring of a goal, especially given that the player is equipped with a shot like Petey. I'm saying that Canucks should maximize such opportunities; not claiming that we should always carry the puck in 100% of the time no matter the circumstances, as you seem to be alluding.

 

In professional sports, the difference between winning and losing is paper thin. One goal. That's all that comes down to in many cases, especially the playoffs. A team that knows how to optimize their performance the best possible way, will win more often than not. 

 

Petey blames himself the hardest. But he is human. A less than optimal decision from a teammate, if it happens over and over again, will frustrate him.

 

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1 hour ago, J-23 said:

Disagree, Miller and Petey have been great together. Petey dumps and chases in games as well, as does the rest of the team. It's not only Miller, it's the team as a collective.

 

It's Boeser that's been holding the line back at times. Poor passing, bad hockey plays, at times slow. This coming from a huge Boeser fan. Imo move Brock to Bo's line and put Gauds or Virtanen their for now. Podz could be the best fit their in the long term.

Well, I don't disagree that Miler and Petey compliment well together. And Petey does play dum and chase game very well. He is improving every game it feels.

 

Although, I'm not quite ready to blame Boeser yet I do agree that the lines may need to be reformed to give everyone a boost.

 

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1 hour ago, J-23 said:

Disagree, Miller and Petey have been great together. Petey dumps and chases in games as well, as does the rest of the team. It's not only Miller, it's the team as a collective.

 

It's Boeser that's been holding the line back at times. Poor passing, bad hockey plays, at times slow. This coming from a huge Boeser fan. Imo move Brock to Bo's line and put Gauds or Virtanen their for now. Podz could be the best fit their in the long term.

I disagree on your take  on Boeser, he holds his weight on this team, I have seen Bo, Miller and even Petey  showing bad passes, they all do. it funny many times Boeser is the first player down into the  defensive zone, and you think he is slow. that kid always plays with heart and gives his all every game.  Petey, Boeser and Miller are the top line for a reason, they have the most points . 87 point for this line

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43 minutes ago, khay said:

Well, I don't disagree that Miler and Petey compliment well together. And Petey does play dum and chase game very well. He is improving every game it feels.

 

Although, I'm not quite ready to blame Boeser yet I do agree that the lines may need to be reformed to give everyone a boost.

 

I’m not blaming Brock just saying he doesn’t suit that line imo. Looks a step behind, in the long term I think someone more skilled needs to be on that line to complement Petey.

 

Brock is a pure goal scorer and would fit in well with Bo imo. They play well together. Need a little more balance with lines, that will come as injured players return and prospects come up over the next few years though.

 

20 minutes ago, bree2 said:

I disagree on your take  on Boeser, he holds his weight on this team, I have seen Bo, Miller and even Petey  showing bad passes, they all do. it funny many times Boeser is the first player down into the  defensive zone, and you think he is slow. that kid always plays with heart and gives his all every game.  Petey, Boeser and Miller are the top line for a reason, they have the most points . 87 point for this line

Ok if that’s what you think.

 

Of course the top line is going to put up points, that’s what star players do…

 

Brock is my favourite player on this team, and I would like to see him hit the 100 point mark during the prime of his career.

 

Although it doesn’t mean I can’t criticize him for flaws in his game. His passing has been off for a while now, and many others on the forums have mentioned that as well. He is also slower that majority of our players, getting a skating coach wouldn’t be the end of the world… He is still young and needs some work on his game like a lot of other guys on the team.

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23 hours ago, GoldenAlien said:

 

Great list to be on.  Really wanted Barzal in his draft year.  We never had a chance at him.  

 

Considering that Barzal had Tavares to play with, and Malkin had Crosby, Panarin had Kane, it makes it pretty amazing to see how EP40 stacks up.  

 

He is only going to get better.  

 

Love that he is ahead of Mathews.  

 

 

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10 minutes ago, J-23 said:

I’m not blaming Brock just saying he doesn’t suit that line imo. Looks a step behind, in the long term I think someone more skilled needs to be on that line to complement Petey.

 

Brock is a pure goal scorer and would fit in well with Bo imo. They play well together. Need a little more balance with lines, that will come as injured players return and prospects come up over the next few years though.

 

Ok if that’s what you think.

 

Of course the top line is going to put up points, that’s what star players do…

 

Brock is my favourite player on this team, and I would like to see him hit the 100 point mark during the prime of his career.

 

Although it doesn’t mean I can’t criticize him for flaws in his game. His passing has been off for a while now, and many others on the forums have mentioned that as well. He is also slower that majority of our players, getting a skating coach wouldn’t be the end of the world… He is still young and needs some work on his game like a lot of other guys on the team.

Hard to complain about our top line.  They are also being very checked each game which forced passes ar times.  

 

I like Brock with either Bo or Ep40.  I would also like to see JV get a look with Ep40 and Miller.  JV's speed and forecheck could be really effective.  It may not work, but if it did click.... 

 

IMO Ep40 needs a relentless puck hound worh speed and the skill to make plays to compliment his line.  Podz could be that guy.  Miller does a great job and Brock has the skill to score with different centers.  

 

Brock could boost Bo's line and Ep40 could make anyone look good on his wing.  Nothing is broke right now, but 5v5 IDK is Brock has the speed create enough space.  

 

JV does, Gaudette does... both hopefully get a look.   Brock is still the PP winger.  5v5 our top line could use different look as a trial.  

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Phat Fingers said:

Hard to complain about our top line.  They are also being very checked each game which forced passes ar times.  

 

I like Brock with either Bo or Ep40.  I would also like to see JV get a look with Ep40 and Miller.  JV's speed and forecheck could be really effective.  It may not work, but if it did click.... 

 

IMO Ep40 needs a relentless puck hound worh speed and the skill to make plays to compliment his line.  Podz could be that guy.  Miller does a great job and Brock has the skill to score with different centers.  

 

Brock could boost Bo's line and Ep40 could make anyone look good on his wing.  Nothing is broke right now, but 5v5 IDK is Brock has the speed create enough space.  

 

JV does, Gaudette does... both hopefully get a look.   Brock is still the PP winger.  5v5 our top line could use different look as a trial.  

 

 

The top line would open up a little, if our other lines could step it up 5on5, especially Bo’s line. They’ve had their good share of games but haven’t been consistent. This is a big reason to why I want to move Brock or Gaudette as Bo’s RW.

 

I think Pod could be a long term option as well. 

 

Also agree that JV deserves a REAL shot in the top 6, although like a lot of fans, I’m confused with how Green is utilizing him right now.

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In my view the coaching of the team leaves the players alone when they should have linemates beside them.

You see it with Petey, all alone and no one to pass the puck to. If Myers go up no one is escorting him and give him options. Hence players revert to dump and chase because the haven't been taught(or allowed) to give passing options going forward. 

Maybe it's because Green want them to go as fast as they possible can and we'll see the result in a few years when they have adapted to the speed. 

 

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58 minutes ago, J-23 said:

The top line would open up a little, if our other lines could step it up 5on5, especially Bo’s line. They’ve had their good share of games but haven’t been consistent. This is a big reason to why I want to move Brock or Gaudette as Bo’s RW.

 

I think Pod could be a long term option as well. 

 

Also agree that JV deserves a REAL shot in the top 6, although like a lot of fans, I’m confused with how Green is utilizing him right now.

they did move Brock to Bo's line  for a few games a week or so ago and it just didn't work. we need Sutter and Beagle back so Bo can concentrate on his game, because it is sorely lacking.  Bo also had Miller on his line too and that didn't work either.  I did like Jake on his line tho.

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2 hours ago, J-23 said:

The top line would open up a little, if our other lines could step it up 5on5, especially Bo’s line. They’ve had their good share of games but haven’t been consistent. This is a big reason to why I want to move Brock or Gaudette as Bo’s RW.

 

I think Pod could be a long term option as well. 

 

Also agree that JV deserves a REAL shot in the top 6, although like a lot of fans, I’m confused with how Green is utilizing him right now.

I like Green, think he has really done well for this organization in his tenure so far.  

 

JV does deserve a real shot, and I know he will get one, maybe not in Vancouver.  It would be a damn shame if it came to that.  I also really like the Rousell Gaudette Jake line.  Rousell is the perfect vet for both to soak up atm.   

 

 

Bo is suffering for offence because he is taking all the key draws with Beagle and Sutter out.  Our center depth is being tested atm.  Maybe it is time to try Miller at center and see if he can relieve Bo's work load.  Not a full time gig, just to fill in until players come back.  

 

Move Gaudette  and JV up a line or two for now.  Put Leivo with Miller and Rousell.   

 

JV Ep40 and Brock

Gaudette Bo and Pearson

Rousell Miller and Leivo.  

 

It is worthy of a look for a few games 5v5.  Bo is currently tops in the league for draws and minutes as a forward.  

 

Running it close to the redline and that can't go on for a protracted period without some serious risk.  

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1 hour ago, Kanukfanatic said:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/650/the-program/elliotte-friedman-pettersson-will-looking-marner-money-deserves/

 

Elliotte Friedman: "Pettersson will be looking at Marner money - and he deserves it".

 

Marner signed a 6 year contract last summer for 10.893 million per.  

Not really big news tbh. Most fans around here are already beginning to ballpark around $10M.

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