appleboy Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, Bobby_Lu1ngo said: If they can pull a 1st rounder I think they would do it in a draft like this. They likely realize a guy can’t mentor when he’s on crutches half the year and we have other players that can mentor OJ If they can pull a high first. Top 15 then yes but even I am not for trading a solid D man for peanuts . There is no rush to move good players. Wait until trade deadline or just keep him. If our players have no value or not much value then its business as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 11th or 12th is too big a price for Tanev. If Benning could swing that trade I’d be very impressed. The Toronto package is probably the outcome. Toronto will push for this years first in any sort of deal. I’d make the trade if any of K’Andre Miller or Bokk or Kravtsov are there at 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 39 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: I would be very surprised if Tanev was traded at the Draft. Pretty sure the Canucks intend for him to play with/mentor Juolevi. The offer would need to be outstanding, but I'm afraid Tanev won't get as much as some of us hope. Could Benning justify trading him for, say: a mid-late 2nd {2019}, a bottom 6 prospect who may not stick in the NHL and maybe another late (6th or 7th) pick? I know I wouldn't be too happy about that. Rather keep him. He has a lot more value to the development of Juolevi. Tanev's demeanour strike me as a guy who wouldn't be a good mentor. As in, his personality is too calm and robotic for being a mentor. Besides, we have Edler and Gudbranson who can be mentors for the guys on the backend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Pears said: Something about Kravstov that sticks out to me. Didn’t put up a whole lot of points but scouting reports say he’s highly skilled. Definitely an intriguing prospect. During his interview on the Spittin’ Chiclets podcast, Teddy Purcell said Kravtsov was the young player that stood out to him the most in the KHL. Said he’s incredibly skilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 42 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: If Tanev is health next TDL we'll get a 1st for him from a contender, it would be great to have multiple 1st rounders for our draft hosting. Sounds like Jim has done all his due diligence on trades, but I won't be surprised if we don't move anyone. What if he’s hurt? If you’re getting a good offer on him now I’d take it. If Toronto is offering up the 25th+ I’d probably accept and end all this Tanev trade madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar baby watermelon Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 59 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: 11th or 12th is too big a price for Tanev. If Benning could swing that trade I’d be very impressed. The Toronto package is probably the outcome. Toronto will push for this years first in any sort of deal. I’d make the trade if any of K’Andre Miller or Bokk or Kravtsov are there at 25. Aw man, imagine Miller and whomever we take at 7 if a dman, that would leave us a pretty good top 3 for defence with Juolevi..... Bokk has history with Petterson, and Kravstov has such upside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 3 hours ago, 867-five-309 said: No way Ottawa gives up that pick when they don't have to. I could easily see them doing it, Next year they aren't going to get any better, they will likely be even worse than this year so they should be looking at another top 5 pick. Add in the possibility of them winning the draft lottery and passing up on Jack Hughes. They also have the 22nd overall this year so they still get a pick in the first round. Karlsson likely isn't back so they might as well start piling up assets. Move Karlsson, Stone and even consider taking on IR players (Horton/Hossa) to reach the cap floor without having to pay the salary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 I was just looking at Craig Button's Mock Draft released today and he scores the prospects on various attributes. Let's see how the top D rate on Judd Brackets template. Remember, they are listed in order of importance. Scores out of 5 (2.5 would be average) Dobson Bouchard Hughes Boqvist Player type 2-way 2-way dynamic dynamic Future potential top 2 top 2 top 2 top 2 Hockey sense 4.5 4.5 4.5 5 Compete* 4 4 4.5 3.5 skating 4 3.5 5 4.5 skill 4 4.5 3.5 5 (16.5) (16.5) (17.5) (18) unweighted total defensive play** 4.5 4 3.5 3 (21) (20.5) (21) (21) unweighted total * Button scores compete level while Brackett includes character ** Button includes this but Bracket does not Keeping in mind that these are Button's scores and we have no idea how Benning would weight these characteristics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar baby watermelon Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Crabcakes said: I was just looking at Craig Button's Mock Draft released today and he scores the prospects on various attributes. Let's see how the top D rate on Judd Brackets template. Remember, they are listed in order of importance. Scores out of 5 (2.5 would be average) Dobson Bouchard Hughes Boqvist Player type 2-way 2-way dynamic dynamic Future potential top 2 top 2 top 2 top 2 Hockey sense 4.5 4.5 4.5 5 Compete* 4 4 4.5 3.5 skating 4 3.5 5 4.5 skill 4 4.5 3.5 5 (16.5) (16.5) (17.5) (18) unweighted total defensive play** 4.5 4 3.5 3 (21) (20.5) (21) (21) unweighted total * Button scores compete level while Brackett includes character ** Button includes this but Bracket does not Keeping in mind that these are Button's scores and we have no idea how Benning would weight these characteristics Nice!! How nice would it be to have a dynamic player on the back end... If we end up with Boqvist, would alot of CDCers be pretty miffed? almost a year younger, with elite skating and offence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGT68 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, Sugar baby watermelon said: Nice!! How nice would it be to have a dynamic player on the back end... If we end up with Boqvist, would alot of CDCers be pretty miffed? almost a year younger, with elite skating and offence Concussions and another player we have to wait to see develop while other guys step in now. I see him as a hard sell when Bouchard goes 3 spots later to the Oilers and steps into the NHL. All that supposes Button is right. But I think he is at least close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL97OneTimer Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 4 hours ago, 867-five-309 said: No way Ottawa gives up that pick when they don't have to. I like your list and reasoning though but I'm kind of hoping Tkachuk is gone. I think I would rather grab Wahlstrom if we're getting a winger. He can play both can't he? I'm a little concerned that Tkachuk hasn't scored a ppg in any of his last 3 years, and has 4,12, and 8 goals repectively. I don't know Wahlstrom well.....only watched some highlights on YouTube. I understand he's the best sniper out there but the highlights I watched he didn't look that fast and his passing looked really poor. Is he better than what I saw or is he a guy who will struggle with the speed of the NHL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Alflives said: Islanders can score goals, but give up even more. They could certainly use Tanev. They also need a goalie too. Tanev + Markstrom for picks 11 + 12? That’s terrible propsal alf , marky sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Just had a funny thought.. what if Ottawa took Quinn Hughes this year. Then next year Colorado gets Jack with their pick haha. Be a hilarious grand finale to the show they’ve been putting on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoolander Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 5 hours ago, fanfor42 said: Trading Tanev for a 2nd would be absolutely pointless. Kapanen + 1st in 2019 then. but you'll be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brobidus Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Silky mitts said: That’s terrible propsal alf , marky sucks At this point. I think I'd do something like Tanev + Markstrom for #12 Would be amazing to finish off the day with another guy like Hayton/Smith/Veleno/Wilde/Farabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 4 hours ago, TGT68 said: Concussions and another player we have to wait to see develop while other guys step in now. I see him as a hard sell when Bouchard goes 3 spots later to the Oilers and steps into the NHL. All that supposes Button is right. But I think he is at least close. This is the one issue that I easily see from this draft.... however, if Boqvist in 3 years plays like Karlson, I think we all would scream with delight. It was one of the reasons I thought Bouchard was high on JB's list. Not sure how long JB's shelf life is, but if we are still floating about in the bottom in 3 years, he may not be around to see the fruits of his labour.... It will indeed be extremely exciting. I also think the draft of either will show how much patience Owners have for a rebuild. Very interesting indeed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyLow_ Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Tanev is a first pairing D-man on most teams. He gets a good first rounder easy at the trade deadline, when teams remember what kind of players are needed in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 49 minutes ago, FlyLow_ said: Tanev is a first pairing D-man on most teams. He gets a good first rounder easy at the trade deadline, when teams remember what kind of players are needed in the playoffs. Most? Let's not get ahead of yourself. The only team I could see Tanev being a top pairing is Detroit. Then, they are teams like Vancouver, Calgary, New York, and maybe San Jose depending on if they use Burns as a forward, where he could play on the top pair, but shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 There is no way we are not taking a forward in the 1st round. I just see too much of a gamble in the likes of Dobson, Bouchard and Boqvist. (the first two lack real speed and the the third lacks power imo) If forwards like Tkachuk, Zadina, Wahlstrom or even Valeno become available to us I think Jimbo snaps one up and looks further down at Nils Lundqvist for his elite D. "Arguably Lundqvist might have played better than Adam Boqvist, Adam Ginning, and Filip Johansson, and was a revelation." Hughes would be the only exception to the above but I doubt he falls to us. He reminds me a bit of of what we might have with Jack Rathbone in his speed, skating and lateral agility. If he takes one of the D's mentioned I see him taking Jonatan Berggren in the 2nd round if he is still available. "Undersized (5'-10"@183lbs) winger-center with quickness, hands, and an penchant for generating offense. The best player on the Swedish team in the recent World Under-18s, he creates lots of scoring looks shift after shift. A really good stickhandler with excellent lateral agility at high speed. He is a heavy traffic player who can turn a defender inside out, go wide and then cut in or simply keep backing him up. Gets separation with his carries and is willing to finish checks, or take a hit to make a play. Very fast when he gains possession in the corner on the attack. Displays a strong snap shot, and fast hands when setting up his linemates." Some absolute crackers here and he is one of the youngest (coincidentally along with Lundqvist) in the draft. I would love for Jim to snap up both of them. No 48 and he doesn't seem that small to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, alfstonker said: There is no way we are not taking a forward in the 1st round. I just see too much of a gamble in the likes of Dobson, Bouchard and Boqvist. (the first two lack real speed and the the third lacks power imo) If forwards like Tkachuk, Zadina, Wahlstrom or even Valeno become available to us I think Jimbo snaps one up and looks further down at Nils Lundqvist for his elite D. While Bouchard has a reputation for being only an average skater relative to the NHL, Dobson's best asset is his skating. Not just straight forward speed but more importantly to the D side of the game, his turns, edgework and explosiveness. Yes, Boqvist is a truly elite skater and has a really good wrister. We may take a forward and if Zadina drops to 7 (which he won't) then yes, he needs to be picked. This draft really is intriguing, so many possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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