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I love the spreadsheets man, but you simply cannot use hindsight to show how bad someone was at drafted. It give you an unfair advantage. It would be like going back three years in the past, knowing all you know about the current players, and drafting. You'd be a drafting legend if you had that ability.

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1 hour ago, SILLY GOOSE said:

Petersson seems like a great pick.  Skeptics should spend time watching him.  

I'm sure the hockey analysts and professionals that ranked him lower than Glass or Vilardi have. ;)

 

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58 minutes ago, Derp... said:

Pettersson was the right pick. Just be patient. 

A skinny kid had unprecedented numbers playing against men is a home run swing compared to picking Glass or Vilardi who were safe bets to be 50-60 point players.
 

I wouldn't call Glass or Vilardi 50 to 60 point players especially considering their comparable

Glass - Mark Scheifele -> 80 point player

Vilardi - Ryan Getzlaf -> 70 to 90 point player 

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1 hour ago, Katobaron said:

I don't even know where to start...

 

2. Obviously McCann had some worth or else he wouldn't have fetched Gudbranson

 

Don't forget McCann came with giving up the 33rd overall pick

Also Panthers getting rid of Gudbransson had to do with contract extension issues and the new management, going analytics, saw little value in him. 

 

Florida probably went to Vancouver first because they knew trading Gudbransson wasn't going to fetch a 1st round pick and a early 2nd is the next best thing and they probably knew Gudbransson is the kind of player Benning highly values. 

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3 hours ago, SILLY GOOSE said:

Petersson seems like a great pick.  Skeptics should spend time watching him.  

He'll be a great Swedish league player for years to come B)

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2 hours ago, iinatcc said:

I wouldn't call Glass or Vilardi 50 to 60 point players especially considering their comparable

Glass - Mark Scheifele -> 80 point player

Vilardi - Ryan Getzlaf -> 70 to 90 point player 

That's their ceiling, not there most common comparables. I'm saying there's a very good chance they are 50-60 point players, and there's a slim chance they make it to Scheifele and Getzlaf level.

If you look at their cohorts, the two players you are using to compare them are the exception not the rule.

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He's doing a very bad job and he won't be here very much longer. 

Jim benning won't be the gm long enough to see IF his long term PROJECTS become nhlers. 

Just like holding on to Tanev serves no purpose for the Canucks this point but to diminish his value with a ntc kicking in. 

Even trying to Resigning Miller just another example of a guy with no plan just keep throwning sh.. at the wall and see what sticks. 

One of the worst gms in the history of the club his stats reflect it And Proven wrong more than Donald trump. 

I don't believe a word he says and have no faith that he has the skill or ability to build a "competative" team. Hopefully some of his draft picks start making the NHL and staying there because so far he's a ZERO and that's with now three picks in the top 6. 

I hope by next years lottery we have a experienced NHL GM that know what he's doing because benning proved he hasn't got a clue. 

out gmed by McPhee at the draft....lol.(not that's difficult) 

teams picking after Vancouver are always pleasantly surprised if not shocked by what's left on the table. 

Goodbye and good riddance. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, -AJ- said:

I love the spreadsheets man, but you simply cannot use hindsight to show how bad someone was at drafted. It give you an unfair advantage. It would be like going back three years in the past, knowing all you know about the current players, and drafting. You'd be a drafting legend if you had that ability.

Yes, I understand that the short Spreadsheets makes it looks a bit bias and that it didn't show how bad other people did. But I also didn't list all the players that was available, I just picked the better ones. Here is the full 1st round list, as shown for the 25 picks after Van, I would think there are around 10 players that are already playing good NHL minutes with decent contributions.  That means we had almost 40% chance of being able to land any one of those, and we had 2 chances.

 

My point is, when JB is hired because of his background as a scout and his goal was to rebuild, his job is not to make a pick and trade it away. If you make a pick 1st round and make a trade for a D man, you might want to pick a D man in the first place. If you cannot find the right fit in that round, pick the best one and wait for next year.  You can always trade up or trade down to make the picks worth while.

 

I think something in between these are the things that could went wrong:

- The scouts didn't do a good job, and have JB mis-understood what he was getting

- JB is a good scout but he doesn't know how to assemble a winning team, so the pieces was not put together right in the first place, and find himself keep trading away assets.

- Willie D was the main reason to blame because he didn't utilize the players correctly.

 

There are of course a lot of other moving parts and may be simply Canucks are just in bad luck. But please tell me one big move that JB has made since he joined that make us as a fan exciting. Off my head, I can't think of any. Bo Hovart isn't even traded and drafted by him, and he is now of the best that we have.

 

 

 

Round Pick Teams Players Positions
1
6 VAN Jake Virtanen  RW
1 7 CAR Haydn Fleury  D
1 8 TOR William Nylander  C/RW
1 9 WPG Nikolaj Ehlers  LW
1 10 ANA Nick Ritchie  LW
1 11 NSH Kevin Fiala  LW
1 12 ARI Brendan Perlini  LW
1 13 WSH Jakub Vrana  LW/RW
1 14 DAL Julius Honka  D
1 15 DET Dylan Larkin  C
1 16 CBJ Sonny Milano  LW
1 17 PHI Travis Sanheim  D
1 18 MIN Alex Tuch  RW
1 19 TBL Anthony DeAngelo  D
1 20 CHI Nick Schmaltz  C
1 21 STL Robby Fabbri  C
1 22 PIT Kasperi Kapanen  RW
1 23 COL Conner Bleackley  C
1 24 VAN Jared McCann  C
1 25 BOS David Pastrnak  RW
1 26 MTL Nikita Scherbak  RW
1 27 SJS Nikolay Goldobin  RW
1 28 NYI Joshua Ho-Sang  C/RW
1 29 LAK Adrian Kempe  LW
1 30 NJD John Quenneville  C

 

 

 

 

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I can be counted in on the fan's who are dejected by this pick, but for me it's more about the situation than it is the player. Petterson may very well turn into a great or at very least a very good NHL'er and to that end I say luck in the future. My hope and belief is in the player that rise's above the odds against to make something of him or her self, and in Cody Glass, I saw that. Every thing that he has had to endure, from peewee on up, sheer determination to not quit. This is some of the telling of a great leader, a don't stop attitude that if used as a tool to build with, can take a kid along way in his career. Character play's a big part in anything we do in life. With that said I hope JB can find another centre and a O-Dman in the next rounds. 

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3 hours ago, Derp... said:

Pettersson was the right pick. Just be patient. 

A skinny kid had unprecedented numbers playing against men is a home run swing compared to picking Glass or Vilardi who were safe bets to be 50-60 point players.

Pettersson has the chance to be a 70-80 point player with the right linemates. Putting him on a line with Boeser is going to be unreal. I would say Goldobin or Dahlen would also fit with those two.

Safe is death in the draft.

 

Heck a skinny kid named Panarin won the Calder in the same weight class.  He did have Kane for a line mate, but then again, Kane never scored so much either without him....

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In Benning we trust. Unfortunately I did not get to sit in on the Combine or travel to Sweden to watch Pettersson. I missed the Canuck scouting meetings, my bad. I guess I have to trust those that were there. Many reports are saying Pettersen could have the highest offensive upside in the 2017 Draft. My question might be what were/are Benning's ultimate goal. Hopefully a CUP. Does Pettersson's potential upside counter Glass's safer potential enough? 

 

Personally I prefer a heavier more physical player and Glass and Vilardi would have evolved into those types of players. My thought then became that Benning took the opportunity on Petterson realizing that the talent drop off in the 2nd Round would not be that bad. At #33 can Van pick up some of the Glass/Vilardi upside he passed earlier on. Hope so. 

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OMGZ KOPITARZ!!!!!111!!!!!!!11!11!!1!!!!!!!

 

That is all.

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It seems a year when Benning and company expect the future is for sub 180 lb guys.

They picked a boy that could take another 3 years to fill out, but remember the Sedins matured late.

Definitely hoping for a big improvement in 5 years or so.

 

To me it was a "meh" draft after the first two selections but I had hoped that being the case size to play in the western conference might be a consideration.

 

Benning certainly doesn't understand trying to get the market excited.

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4 hours ago, -AJ- said:

I love the spreadsheets man, but you simply cannot use hindsight to show how bad someone was at drafted. It give you an unfair advantage. It would be like going back three years in the past, knowing all you know about the current players, and drafting. You'd be a drafting legend if you had that ability.

To be fair, a lot of people weren't happy with Virtanen & Juolevi right away.  A lot of people wanted Nylander & Tkachuk.  

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