Kole Lind | RW

[BCNate]

10 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

The thing is Nate....you have to be willing to deal your vets

 

and you have to have some ability to be able to forecast how good your rookies are.

 

So, as I say this Baertschi comes to mind...….IMO, Benning should have dealt him last year at the TDL

 

For what ever we could get for him...….Now I am looking at Tanev the same way

 

But again, you have to be able to forecast 6 months ahead...….

 

Lets take a look at Rafferty and see what we have...…...and let's hope Tryamkin is coming

 

I am sure Benning knows

 

Questions and planning, planning and planning

Agreed, we have to be able to make room for the young guys as they become ready.  We have been able to do that so far by cutting ties with waiver wire/fringe players.  That call is going to get tougher when the conversation surrounds Tanev, Stecher, Benn, Sutter, Leivo, Pearson.   I feel we are going to have a few D and middle 6 guys come along relatively soon. 

[RetroCanuck]

10 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

The thing is Nate....you have to be willing to deal your vets

 

and you have to have some ability to be able to forecast how good your rookies are.

 

So, as I say this Baertschi comes to mind...….IMO, Benning should have dealt him last year at the TDL

 

For what ever we could get for him...….Now I am looking at Tanev the same way

 

But again, you have to be able to forecast 6 months ahead...….

 

Lets take a look at Rafferty and see what we have...…...and let's hope Tryamkin is coming

 

I am sure Benning knows

 

Questions and planning, planning and planning

I feel that this is something many overlook on this site. Of course you want to keep guys like Tanev, but they're aging out of our contending years and can add value now by getting assets while making room for others to play.

 

Tanev-          Rafferty, Tryamkin, Chatfield

Sutter-          Gaudette, Graovac

Schaller-       MacEwen, Lind

Fantenburg- Tryamkin, Juolevi, Brisebois

 

As Ive been saying all along this isn't a playoff team and needs to be a year of transitioning in more of our future young core. Including Rafferty and Madden if they sign at the end of the year

[Noble 6]

20 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said:

I feel that this is something many overlook on this site. Of course you want to keep guys like Tanev, but they're aging out of our contending years and can add value now by getting assets while making room for others to play.

 

Tanev-          Rafferty, Tryamkin, Chatfield

Sutter-          Gaudette, Graovac

Schaller-       MacEwen, Lind

Fantenburg- Tryamkin, Juolevi, Brisebois

 

As Ive been saying all along this isn't a playoff team and needs to be a year of transitioning in more of our future young core. Including Rafferty and Madden if they sign at the end of the year

 

Those Tanev replacements you listed are a significant downgrade though.

[Kootenay Gold]

53 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said:

I feel that this is something many overlook on this site. Of course you want to keep guys like Tanev, but they're aging out of our contending years and can add value now by getting assets while making room for others to play.

 

Tanev-          Rafferty, Tryamkin, Chatfield

Sutter-          Gaudette, Graovac

Schaller-       MacEwen, Lind

Fantenburg- Tryamkin, Juolevi, Brisebois

 

As Ive been saying all along this isn't a playoff team and needs to be a year of transitioning in more of our future young core. Including Rafferty and Madden if they sign at the end of the year

Other than Chatfield the other two are not really suited for that defensive shutdown style of play that Tanev excels at. though Chatfield's game is similar, he is still not ready to fill Tanev's shoes just yet.

 

As for Rafferty; he would be more suited as a replacement for Stetcher, as their games are a bit more similar in style.

 

Tryamkin could be an interesting wildcard on RD as he certainly has the size and strength to clear the net and be a shut down specialist but it remains to be seen if or when he might return to the Canucks.

[stawns]

12 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

The thing is Nate....you have to be willing to deal your vets

 

and you have to have some ability to be able to forecast how good your rookies are.

 

So, as I say this Baertschi comes to mind...….IMO, Benning should have dealt him last year at the TDL

 

For what ever we could get for him...….Now I am looking at Tanev the same way

 

But again, you have to be able to forecast 6 months ahead...….

 

Lets take a look at Rafferty and see what we have...…...and let's hope Tryamkin is coming

 

I am sure Benning knows

 

Questions and planning, planning and planning

he was not in a position to deal vets last season......this is the first season he's had any depth to make moves and now, with Ferland out, he probably still doesn't have much to deal with

[J.I.A.H.N]

2 hours ago, stawns said:

he was not in a position to deal vets last season......this is the first season he's had any depth to make moves and now, with Ferland out, he probably still doesn't have much to deal with

I don't disagree with your point completely

 

But, IMO Benning has to be evaluating constantly

 

and I do not see Green and Benning playing the Utica guys much

 

I look at Fantenberg as key in point

 

Until Edler got injured, we seldom or never seen him...

 

Well it turns out, he does a pretty good job, doesn't he

 

I wonder how Rafferty might do along side Quinn? Etc......

 

I think you are right in saying that there might be a hitch in our plans 

 

with Ferland out and concussion history, but...….is there others

 

It is a pretty short leash for our Utica guys...….

 

In saying all that....I recognize Benning and Green our professionals

 

and have a better handle on these things than I.....but I wonder????

[theo5789]

3 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

I don't disagree with your point completely

 

But, IMO Benning has to be evaluating constantly

 

and I do not see Green and Benning playing the Utica guys much

 

I look at Fantenberg as key in point

 

Until Edler got injured, we seldom or never seen him...

 

Well it turns out, he does a pretty good job, doesn't he

 

I wonder how Rafferty might do along side Quinn? Etc......

 

I think you are right in saying that there might be a hitch in our plans 

 

with Ferland out and concussion history, but...….is there others

 

It is a pretty short leash for our Utica guys...….

 

In saying all that....I recognize Benning and Green our professionals

 

and have a better handle on these things than I.....but I wonder????

Biega did a good job when he got into the lineup, but that doesn't mean he's a regular. Are you suggesting that we rotate players into the lineup? Because if Tryamkin is any indication, then any player that is healthy scratched (even if for rest purposes) will have drama attached to them from the microscope here.

 

Rafferty was said to still be working on his defensive game, partnering with Hughes wouldn't be the ideal situation IMO. Theres a reason why he's partnered with Brisebois who is our Tanev in the AHL.

 

The Utica guys simply need to wait for their break. There are no shortcuts to the NHL. Sitting out regulars to test run Utica guys isn't going to happen. They get their chances with injuries and they have to make the most of it when they are here. Otherwise they are here to gain some practices and be ready to jump in if needed. Then come in next offseason and try to win a spot.

[J.I.A.H.N]

4 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

Biega did a good job when he got into the lineup, but that doesn't mean he's a regular. Are you suggesting that we rotate players into the lineup? Because if Tryamkin is any indication, then any player that is healthy scratched (even if for rest purposes) will have drama attached to them from the microscope here.

 

Rafferty was said to still be working on his defensive game, partnering with Hughes wouldn't be the ideal situation IMO. Theres a reason why he's partnered with Brisebois who is our Tanev in the AHL.

 

The Utica guys simply need to wait for their break. There are no shortcuts to the NHL. Sitting out regulars to test run Utica guys isn't going to happen. They get their chances with injuries and they have to make the most of it when they are here. Otherwise they are here to gain some practices and be ready to jump in if needed. Then come in next offseason and try to win a spot.

Practice is so much different to game play...……..ask Gerry Cheevers, 

But more to the point...…….

I think you shuffle one or two into the line up and give them sheltered minutes for a game here and there

Then, as you say more practice with the big club, which I think is fine

Then back to Utica to work on what they have learned, but you can learn a lot even in limited minutes

So, just bringing a guy up to sit and practice is pretty gutless by the coach, IMO

If he doesn't know how to shelter a young players minutes for a game here and there...….maybe he should look else where

But I don't think that is the problem...….

I look at how Boston brings guys in and then sends them down again...and I think that is the way to do it

You can pretty much look at Boston's lineup every year and ask who is that guy? And, IMO

That is because they actually give them limited playing time during their development years......

I do not think we are talking a lot of guys here, and certainly not all at one time, but getting guys in for small doses

is not a bad idea.....again, IMO

[Warhippy]

Just looked...since he entered the AHL Kole Lind is a cumulative  -10

 

What would Fred think about that

 

[theo5789]

32 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

Practice is so much different to game play...……..ask Gerry Cheevers, 

But more to the point...…….

I think you shuffle one or two into the line up and give them sheltered minutes for a game here and there

Then, as you say more practice with the big club, which I think is fine

Then back to Utica to work on what they have learned, but you can learn a lot even in limited minutes

So, just bringing a guy up to sit and practice is pretty gutless by the coach, IMO

If he doesn't know how to shelter a young players minutes for a game here and there...….maybe he should look else where

But I don't think that is the problem...….

I look at how Boston brings guys in and then sends them down again...and I think that is the way to do it

You can pretty much look at Boston's lineup every year and ask who is that guy? And, IMO

That is because they actually give them limited playing time during their development years......

I do not think we are talking a lot of guys here, and certainly not all at one time, but getting guys in for small doses

is not a bad idea.....again, IMO

But the main reason these players are called up in the first place is because of injuries. They're not simply calling them up to give them a taste and then back down. We can afford to do that when we are out of the playoff race in which we have done (also due to injuries). Slotting them into the lineup means someone has to sit out. For example, who would you sit out for Chatfield to get minimal sheltered ice time? MacEwen seemed to have a decent look during his time up though.

 

We have a young core as it is, so we are "sheltering" them as it is. Boston has a veteran core, so they can afford to do as what you're suggesting. The guys I assume you would be sitting out to play these Utica guys would be the ones currently helping shelter the young guys already currently in the lineup.

[Kanukfanatic]

2 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Just looked...since he entered the AHL Kole Lind is a cumulative  -10

 

What would Fred think about that

 

I laughed out loud at this.

 

For TWO reasons:

 

1. Posters arguing that cumulative +/- means anything are hilarious.

 

2. And more  importantly, WHO CARES WHAT FRED THINKS!!!

 

Haha.....AWESOME!!

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[Kanukfanatic]

1 minute ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

This is awesome to hear. He has sure stepped it up this year.

 

Edit: so many posters wrote him off last year. I am not the most patient Canuck fan, but some on here thought he was totally done lol.

Edited December 19, 2019 by Kanukfanatic

[Boudrias]

On 12/17/2019 at 3:30 PM, janisahockeynut said:

I don't disagree with your point completely

 

But, IMO Benning has to be evaluating constantly

 

and I do not see Green and Benning playing the Utica guys much

 

I look at Fantenberg as key in point

 

Until Edler got injured, we seldom or never seen him...

 

Well it turns out, he does a pretty good job, doesn't he

 

I wonder how Rafferty might do along side Quinn? Etc......

 

I think you are right in saying that there might be a hitch in our plans 

 

with Ferland out and concussion history, but...….is there others

 

It is a pretty short leash for our Utica guys...….

 

In saying all that....I recognize Benning and Green our professionals

 

and have a better handle on these things than I.....but I wonder????

For me it is about the timeline and crafting your team around that. Ferland's health has been a big hit this year as seeing him play could have answered some questions about long term fit and impact on the team's play. 

 

So many fans got excited this year with the early success and were chaulking up a playoff appearance. With the current drought it is understandable but secondary IMO. It is still about development and evaluation as serious CUP play is still 3 years away. To your point about the Utica talent. Big Mac has got some games and that is great. Rafferty has been putting up some numbers and I would love to see him get some games in Vancouver. These are fan wishes and only the coaches can say whether it is time or not. Obviously sitting healthy players in Van to ice rookies would not contribute to morale. But since the team is struggling it is an opportunity to throw some games their way.   

[dpn1]

I wonder, is it way off to think we could see Lind come up with Levo being hurt last night.  I know it is unlikely but it would be cool if they did.  I just would like to see if some of his improvements translate to the NHL.  A short call up to show him how much work still needs to be done.

[Bure_Pavel]

On 12/18/2019 at 6:43 PM, Kanukfanatic said:

This is awesome to hear. He has sure stepped it up this year.

 

Edit: so many posters wrote him off last year. I am not the most patient Canuck fan, but some on here thought he was totally done lol.

Yeah he pulled a complete 180 this year and seems to be back on track to potentially become a top 6 forward.

[theo5789]

9 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Yeah he pulled a complete 180 this year and seems to be back on track to potentially become a top 6 forward.

I wouldn't say complete 180. He was already making strides before the end of last season. He described a transition period that was difficult going from juniors to pro and the team seemed to minimize the early ice time to get them acclimated to not wreck their confidence.

[dpn1]

Well, no Lind up this time as Big Mac was called up.  

[Nuxfanabroad]

1 hour ago, dpn1 said:

Well, no Lind up this time as Big Mac was called up.  

Against LA & Edmonchuk can use some grit/size

[-Vintage Canuck-]