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Just now, 189lb enforcers? said:

Fair.

What do you project for the kid as you seem to be an authority on these matters?

I haven't watched him play much at all, but common sense says that he likely tops out as a bottom 6 nhl forward, and there's no guarantee he gets there. 

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Wow.  How quickly so many write of Lind and Gadjovich.  Burrows and Kesler both were fourth line grinders in the AHL for a season till they ‘got it’.  Then they were bottom sixes in the nhl.  If you are not a Pettersson or a Boeser, grinding is going to be a big part of your game in the nhl, even on the first two lines - just as it was with Burrows and Kesler throughout their very successful careers - just like it is still a major component of Horvat’s game.  A grinding game is not an end, it is a part of the package of most nhl players - even many of the best - think Toews, Getzlaff, etc.  Way too early to project where Lind and Gadjovich will end up as nhl players.  Both of Gadjovich are still making the transition, physically, into manhood.

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3 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

It’s his draft position and my expectations for the kid that I’m following up on. 

 

He’s getting a little old to be a brute who is trying to impress as a 4th liner.

 

I agree and liked the pick, but do you think this guy is going to make the NHL at this pace?

Should we be spending 2nd rounders on 4th liners, as this is the current trajectory, at best? 

 

My comments are based solely on my surprise that this is the curve I find one of my favourite picks to be trending. I have no doubt of his compete or battle levels. He’s built like a brick. It leaves the skill and IQ aspects of the game. 

 

Hopefully some of you will speak to his progress and trajectory as it relates to a future role on the Canucks. I’m not in a rush to see him in the NHL, but I do expect him to be an impact player in the A by now, or by year end. 

 

3 hours ago, tas said:

...getting a little old? ...at this pace? ...by now? he's 2 and a half months into his first season of being allowed to play professional hockey. 2 and a half months ago he was a teenager. 

So much this ^^^^!

 

2.5 months of spending a fair bit of time scratched as well. How about we wait a year or two before making any firm predictions on his trajectory or ceiling?

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Next year will be a big year for Lind, Gadj, Palmu, Jasek, Dahlen, this year is really a feeling out process to see where they are and what needs work 

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1 hour ago, Canucks Curse said:

Next year will be a big year for Lind, Gadj, Palmu, Jasek, Dahlen, this year is really a feeling out process to see where they are and what needs work 

I don't think your list matches your comment.  At least one is a Canuck next year.  Dahlen or Jasek or both.  Honestly Jasek would outplay several bottom 6 Canucks this year.  Dahlens challenge is he is a top 6 forward and not quite quick or strong enough   

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12 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

It’s his draft position and my expectations for the kid that I’m following up on. 

 

He’s getting a little old to be a brute who is trying to impress as a 4th liner.

 

I agree and liked the pick, but do you think this guy is going to make the NHL at this pace?

Should we be spending 2nd rounders on 4th liners, as this is the current trajectory, at best? 

 

My comments are based solely on my surprise that this is the curve I find one of my favourite picks to be trending. I have no doubt of his compete or battle levels. He’s built like a brick. It leaves the skill and IQ aspects of the game. 

 

Hopefully some of you will speak to his progress and trajectory as it relates to a future role on the Canucks. I’m not in a rush to see him in the NHL, but I do expect him to be an impact player in the A by now, or by year end. 

“He’s getting a little old to be a brute who is trying to impress as a 4th liner.”  Are you joking?  He just turned 20 two months ago, he could still be playing junior, for Pete’s sake!  He is in his first year of pro hockey, in fact he has only just played his 20th minor pro game.  It is way too soon to relegate him to anything, least of all the fourth line.

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22 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

It’s his draft position and my expectations for the kid that I’m following up on. 

 

He’s getting a little old to be a brute who is trying to impress as a 4th liner.

 

I agree and liked the pick, but do you think this guy is going to make the NHL at this pace?

Should we be spending 2nd rounders on 4th liners, as this is the current trajectory, at best? 

 

My comments are based solely on my surprise that this is the curve I find one of my favourite picks to be trending. I have no doubt of his compete or battle levels. He’s built like a brick. It leaves the skill and IQ aspects of the game. 

 

Hopefully some of you will speak to his progress and trajectory as it relates to a future role on the Canucks. I’m not in a rush to see him in the NHL, but I do expect him to be an impact player in the A by now, or by year end. 

You understand that on average only 28% of players drafted in the 2nd round only get to play 1 game in the NHL let alone be an impact player? It’s roughly around a18% for a player to play 200 NHL games. So if Gadjovic or Lind get any NHL time consider that a success. 

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22 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

It’s his draft position and my expectations for the kid that I’m following up on. 

 

He’s getting a little old to be a brute who is trying to impress as a 4th liner.

 

I agree and liked the pick, but do you think this guy is going to make the NHL at this pace?

Should we be spending 2nd rounders on 4th liners, as this is the current trajectory, at best? 

 

My comments are based solely on my surprise that this is the curve I find one of my favourite picks to be trending. I have no doubt of his compete or battle levels. He’s built like a brick. It leaves the skill and IQ aspects of the game. 

 

Hopefully some of you will speak to his progress and trajectory as it relates to a future role on the Canucks. I’m not in a rush to see him in the NHL, but I do expect him to be an impact player in the A by now, or by year end. 

You understand that on average only 28% of players drafted in the 2nd round only get to play 1 game in the NHL let alone be an impact player? It’s roughly around a18% for a player to play 200 NHL games. So if Gadjovic or Lind get any NHL time consider that a success. 

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48 minutes ago, Steven Stamkos said:

You understand that on average only 28% of players drafted in the 2nd round only get to play 1 game in the NHL let alone be an impact player? It’s roughly around a18% for a player to play 200 NHL games. So if Gadjovic or Lind get any NHL time consider that a success. 

I think that the 28% refers to players who play 100 games plus. ( ? ) Did a quick one decade average ( 2000-2009 ), 63% of 2nd rounders played one game or more !

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40 minutes ago, Steven Stamkos said:

You understand that on average only 28% of players drafted in the 2nd round only get to play 1 game in the NHL let alone be an impact player? It’s roughly around a18% for a player to play 200 NHL games. So if Gadjovic or Lind get any NHL time consider that a success. 

The higher the pick, the higher the % chance of that player being an NHL contributor, right?  Makes sense.  I think ,that’s why JB drafts for purpose, outside of round one, when there is not a guy (who JB believes) can be a top player.  Gads was selected for the purpose of being an NHL bottom six grinder, who pots a few goals here and there.  

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29 minutes ago, Alflives said:

The higher the pick, the higher the % chance of that player being an NHL contributor, right?  Makes sense.  I think ,that’s why JB drafts for purpose, outside of round one, when there is not a guy (who JB believes) can be a top player.  Gads was selected for the purpose of being an NHL bottom six grinder, who pots a few goals here and there.  

You hear about his development so far as a grinder and he's doing a good job as well. I expect many of our prospects to take a big step in the new year and Utica push very hard for a playoff spot.

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1 hour ago, SingleThorn said:

I think that the 28% refers to players who play 100 games plus. ( ? ) Did a quick one decade average ( 2000-2009 ), 63% of 2nd rounders played one game or more !

Yes you’re right. I read that backwards this am. 48% play a game, 28% play 100 games, 18% play over 200 games

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52 minutes ago, Steven Stamkos said:

Yes you’re right. I read that backwards this am. 48% play a game, 28% play 100 games, 18% play over 200 games

That's a good stat

Shows some high draft picks are not use to being role players after they leave junior

There are only so many spots on a team, some only know of being alpha dogs, plus as they physically and emotionally mature (or don't) things change

 

Look at World Jr Teams as an example

They are all stars, on their junior teams, but not everyone can play on the 1st line

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On 12/31/2018 at 9:11 PM, Ray_Cathode said:

“He’s getting a little old to be a brute who is trying to impress as a 4th liner.”  Are you joking?  He just turned 20 two months ago, he could still be playing junior, for Pete’s sake!  He is in his first year of pro hockey, in fact he has only just played his 20th minor pro game.  It is way too soon to relegate him to anything, least of all the fourth line.

Is it? 

 

Its fine guys. Shoot the messenger daring enough to ask questions or comment on a prospect’s progress. I’m expressing my thoughts, somewhat prematurely, it’s been said, but we can agree to disagree on our own projections as fans. 

 

For all of you bothering to defend my questioning of this kid’s trajectory, I get it and understand the pushback. 

 

He is one of my favourite JB picks, remember. I also wish the best for him, there’s no monopoly on that here. I even read here that I’d ‘written him off’. I’m being lectured on how players develop at different rates, physically, as I’ve read, in response to my questions or comments. Defensive crowd. 

 

We do this dance with the mothering of our prospects in here every year it seems. This one is like any other prospect thread barely through the first stages of its lifecycle. 

 

Every year, a few more prospects fall further into the back pages. Is it possible that Gadjo becomes one of them?

 

Has he done anything to say otherwise? That’s what I came asking. Instead, I am asked to have more patience. The one Utica poster offered the only real insight into the kid’s game and I appreciate that response over the “he’s just a kid” ones. So thanks, but no thanks to some lecture/responses. 

 

Being an emerging 4th-liner in Utica in 2019 isn’t what I envisioned for the kid; a well-seasoned, big, skilled winger, I’d envisiond Gadjo to be having more of an immediate impact as a pro and not a scratched ‘sub’ on a 4th in the A line, at 20. 

 

Perhaps it’s his precious draft position which I’ve weighted with too high of expectations for a kid who had an NHL-ready frame on draft day. I’ve nothing but time to see how this kid’s career goes, as do all of you.

 

To grade his development as a prospect as of today, January 1, 2019, I’m struggling to find reasons to keep him as a B prospect, not because I’m impatient, but because he’s not giving me/us anything to write about. 

 

Utica should make the playoffs this spring. I hope that’s when we all return here and testify to how wonderfully impactful Gadjo has been in Utica as we watch him work his way into the top 6. Awesome. 

 

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6 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

Is it? 

 

Its fine guys. Shoot the messenger daring enough to ask questions or comment on a prospect’s progress. I’m expressing my thoughts, somewhat prematurely, it’s been said, but we can agree to disagree on our own projections as fans. 

 

For all of you bothering to defend my questioning of this kid’s trajectory, I get it and understand the pushback. 

 

He is one of my favourite JB picks, remember. I also wish the best for him, there’s no monopoly on that here. I even read here that I’d ‘written him off’. I’m being lectured on how players develop at different rates, physically, as I’ve read, in response to my questions or comments. Defensive crowd. 

 

We do this dance with the mothering of our prospects in here every year it seems. This one is like any other prospect thread barely through the first stages of its lifecycle. 

 

Every year, a few more prospects fall further into the back pages. Is it possible that Gadjo becomes one of them? Statistically, yes. Has he done anything to say otherwise? That’s what I came asking. Instead, I am asked to have more patience. The one Utica poster offered the only real insight into the kid’s game and I appreciate that response over the “he’s just a kid” ones. So thanks, but no thanks to some. 

 

Being an emerging 4th-liner in Utica in 2019 isn’t what I envisioned for the kid; a well-seasoned, big, skilled winger, I’d envisiond Gadjo to be having more of an immediate impact as a pro and not a scratched sub on a 4th in the A line at 20. 

 

Perhaps it’s his precious draft position which I’ve weighted with too high of expectations for a kid who had an NHL-ready frame on draft day. I’ve nothing but time to see how this kid’s career goes, as do all of you.

 

To grade his development as a prospect as of today, January , 2019, I’m struggling to find reasons to keep him as a B prospect, not because I’m impatient, but because he’s not giving me/us anything to write about. 

 

Utica should make the playoffs this spring. I hope that’s when we all return here and testify to how wonderfully impactful Gadjo has been in Utica as we watch him work his way into the top 6. Awesome. 

 

We could draft a kid out of a midget house league and people here would tell you to be patient he's just 18

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What's Gadz playing weight now?

I hope he has been getting stronger and adding some bulk to hit and win board battles.

I just hope he's not working on finesse stuff and aiming for a top 6 form. 

What does his speed look like now?

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10 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

Is it? 

 

Its fine guys. Shoot the messenger daring enough to ask questions or comment on a prospect’s progress. I’m expressing my thoughts, somewhat prematurely, it’s been said, but we can agree to disagree on our own projections as fans. You weren't asking question, you were making assertions unwarranted by facts.  That is not being daring, that is just being irrational.

 

For all of you bothering to defend my questioning of this kid’s trajectory, I get it and understand the pushback. Apparently not.

 

He is one of my favourite JB picks, remember. I also wish the best for him, there’s no monopoly on that here. I even read here that I’d ‘written him off’. I’m being lectured on how players develop at different rates, physically, as I’ve read, in response to my questions or comments. Defensive crowd. Defensive?  Not leaping to unwarranted conclusions is not 'defensive', it is merely accepting the fact that there is not enough evidence to judge.

 

We do this dance with the mothering of our prospects in here every year it seems. This one is like any other prospect thread barely through the first stages of its lifecycle.Some may be mothering them, I'm not.  There is just not enough data in on many of these prospects to form definitive conclusions about their futures.  For young players like Lind, Gadjovich, Palmu, Brisebois, it is our first look at seeing them play against men/professionals.  After playing junior, that is a huge leap.  Even Dahlen was playing in the second tier in Sweden.

 

Every year, a few more prospects fall further into the back pages. Is it possible that Gadjo becomes one of them?  Sure, not becoming a regular NHL player will be the fate of most of them, so your statement is just a truism based on generalities, but that does not mean that any individual can be painted with that brush.

 

Has he done anything to say otherwise? That’s what I came asking. Instead, I am asked to have more patience. The one Utica poster offered the only real insight into the kid’s game and I appreciate that response over the “he’s just a kid” ones. So thanks, but no thanks to some lecture/responses. Yes, he has, actually, he has gotten better in each of his past few games - especially his last one.  If you actually watched the games and knew anything about hockey, you would already know that.

 

Being an emerging 4th-liner in Utica in 2019 isn’t what I envisioned for the kid; a well-seasoned, big, skilled winger, I’d envisiond Gadjo to be having more of an immediate impact as a pro and not a scratched ‘sub’ on a 4th in the A line, at 20. Wow, ignorance.  In his last game he was playing up in the lineup with a couple of veterans and had a strong game.  Too bad for Gadjovich that he disappointed your lofty expectations - fortunately the Canucks have coaches that can actually help Gadjovich make the transition to pro, and ease him into a much more difficult level without destroying his confidence.  They did the same thing with McEwan, Dahlen, McEneny, Brisbois, etc.  Guys that break in like Pettersson and Boesser are extremely unusual exceptions.  It has taken three years in the NHL to have Hutton playing a strong pro game - that is the rule, not the exception.  Take a look at the history of guys that have been great players, or at least regulars on this team, guys like Kesler, Burrows, Hansen, Neely (a guy we didn't have patience with), Grabner (another guy we didn't have patience with), and so on.

 

Perhaps it’s his precious draft position which I’ve weighted with too high of expectations for a kid who had an NHL-ready frame on draft day. I’ve nothing but time to see how this kid’s career goes, as do all of you.  I do, and most of the people of CDC do, but seems like you have already consigned him to the fourth line.


To grade his development as a prospect as of today, January 1, 2019, I’m struggling to find reasons to keep him as a B prospect, not because I’m impatient, but because he’s not giving me/us anything to write about. You are struggling to see any value in a guy that was drafted only a year ago, and is still young enough to be playing in the OHL.  Well, one thing you can remark on, is that a Canuck staff that identified guys like Boesser, Hughes, Pettersson, etc. decided that Gadjovich shouldn't be sent back to junior, but should be developed in Utica.  They did that because they think he has value, and is too advanced for junior.  Go back and look at McEwan's trajectory - he is being handled exactly the same way.  At some point this year, McEwan may get a sniff at the NHL.
 

Utica should make the playoffs this spring. I hope that’s when we all return here and testify to how wonderfully impactful Gadjo has been in Utica as we watch him work his way into the top 6. Awesome. Wow, big shift from a fourth line failure in your assessment.

 

 

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9 hours ago, The 5th Line said:

We could draft a kid out of a midget house league and people here would tell you to be patient he's just 18

What a dumb post. Why wouldn't we be patient with an 18 year old, no matter where he was drafted from?

 

It's no surprise you'd side with his stupid post. I didn't realize being patient with prospects is such a horrible thing to you. And you wonder why people can't stand you.

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