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32 minutes ago, Maddogy said:

I can only say from my career prospect that the co-workers who complain about lack of communication from their boss are the ones with low EQ. They either don't understand their employer's message when they were communicated or fail to understand that they too have the onus to initiate communication. Almost all employers ask the rudimentary questions "are you doing OK?" " is there something we can do for you?" For some reason, the ones with the beef NEVER raised any issues until they gave their notice and told everyone how there was a lack of communication from higher up. 

I am retired now and was in the workforce for 47 years. During that time I worked for one company under 5 different GM's and 7 different foremen. Some of the GM's were very hands on and approachable while others had no time or patience to listen to an employees issues. That was pretty much the same when it came to Foremen, some were easy to have a discussion with about a concern one may have on a particular issue while others just basically just told you to do your job or be fired. The GM's and Foremen that were approachable and had dialogue with the person under their charge had the respect of the crew. Those that came across as heavy handed and holier than thou were very disliked by the crew and none of them lasted very long.

 

The gist of this is that it takes two to have a dialogue and in the case of coaches it is on them to initiate and have an honest communication with all of the players as to what they see as both positives and negatives to the players game and offer some suggestions as to how to go about improving on the negatives

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1 hour ago, Maddogy said:

I can only say from my career prospect that the co-workers who complain about lack of communication from their boss are the ones with low EQ. They either don't understand their employer's message when they were communicated or fail to understand that they too have the onus to initiate communication. Almost all employers ask the rudimentary questions "are you doing OK?" " is there something we can do for you?" For some reason, the ones with the beef NEVER raised any issues until they gave their notice and told everyone how there was a lack of communication from higher up. 

Pretty disturbing comment from Palmu. Obviously there was a conversation when he was allowed back to Finland. What was the interaction during practice? DO this do that and you will be more successful therefore play more??? Is he suggesting it was so 'old school' that the expectation was that you keep your mouth shut and wait your opportunity? It does not sound like the approach that enlightened orgs would use. More to the story I suspect. 

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10 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said:

I am retired now and was in the workforce for 47 years. During that time I worked for one company under 5 different GM's and 7 different foremen. Some of the GM's were very hands on and approachable while others had no time or patience to listen to an employees issues. That was pretty much the same when it came to Foremen, some were easy to have a discussion with about a concern one may have on a particular issue while others just basically just told you to do your job or be fired. The GM's and Foremen that were approachable and had dialogue with the person under their charge had the respect of the crew. Those that came across as heavy handed and holier than thou were very disliked by the crew and none of them lasted very long.

 

The gist of this is that it takes two to have a dialogue and in the case of coaches it is on them to initiate and have an honest communication with all of the players as to what they see as both positives and negatives to the players game and offer some suggestions as to how to go about improving on the negatives

Well you would hope, if the club are sending a player to another league, they would have had quite a few chats, other than the ultimate "it's just not working out for you (despite the number of sessions we've had?) so it is maybe better if we place you back in Finland"

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3 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

Petrus Palmu on Sportsnet 650:

 

"There was not a lot of communication between myself and the organization. I was not sure why I was not getting ice time and it was tough. But, I tried to stay positive and get better every day, unfortunately, I got to a point where I wasn't progressing."

 

"I didn't get a reason as to why I didn't get ice time in Utica. no one really talked to me. I tried to do my job when I played, I didn't get very big minutes which was tough for me."

 

"I wanted to stay there but I can't sit in the stands and play small minutes. That's the biggest reason why I am in Finland."

 

"I am getting better and I needed to be selfish and start playing again. Sitting in the stands in Utica does not do anyone any good. My goal is to be there [Vancouver] soon and this year is big for my development."

 

"I usually got the ice time and played a lot. It was still a good experience for me to experience something like that. Now I know what it's like, the hockey business and everything. I tried to be positive and get better every day in Utica."

 

"I am going to have a good year here and then have a good summer and I will show that coaching staff there that I can play there. My main plan is to play in the NHL.

Not sure why peeps are blaming Johnson for the 'lack of communication.  Clearly Palmu did this interview from Finland and is talking about his experience when he was on the team.  This sounds like an issue (if there actually is an issue) with coaching, rather than GM.

 

The statement Johnson makes from Nashville says that he talked to Palmu and explained to him what areas of his game required improvement.  This statement is dated Dec.13.

 

Comets GM Johnson: “Petrus is a good player and has a good skill set. It’s other details of his game — the wall play, the compete and physicality — that we feel still need to come along a bit. And playing sparingly is not the right process in his development.”  

 

No surprises here. It seems to me Johnson was pretty clear with Palmu on what he needs to do before returning to the AHL. 

 

"Many players underestimate the difficulty level of the AHL".  R. Johnson

 

Which translates to many player are reassigned to lesser leagues to continue their development.

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Just now, RetroCanuck said:

Palmu's interview is of concern when it comes to looking at our other prospects who are still there and yet not playing.

 

Its a developmental league and there is no reason to play more AHL career players over young prospects. Dahlen, Lind, Gadj and Jasek should all be playing minimum 10min each over the end of the season.

 

Pissing off your young prospects and not communicating why they are sitting seems like a very good way to fail the most important part of these players careers....development.

Which of our team has been a big problem over the years.  We seem to have some really good prospects, but then we lose them along the way.  Why is that?  Here's one answer from one of the lost ones.  

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1 minute ago, higgyfan said:

Not sure why peeps are blaming Johnson for the 'lack of communication.  Clearly Palmu did this interview from Finland and is talking about his experience when he was on the team.  This sounds like an issue (if there actually is an issue) with coaching, rather than GM.

 

The statement Johnson makes from Nashville says that he talked to Palmu and explained to him what areas of his game required improvement.  This statement is dated Dec.13.

 

Comets GM Johnson: “Petrus is a good player and has a good skill set. It’s other details of his game — the wall play, the compete and physicality — that we feel still need to come along a bit. And playing sparingly is not the right process in his development.”  

 

No surprises here. It seems to me Johnson was pretty clear with Palmu on what he needs to do before returning to the AHL. 

 

"Many players underestimate the difficulty level of the AHL".  R. Johnson

 

Which translates to many player are reassigned to lesser leagues to continue their development.

Sounds like Palmu didn't get that teaching/coaching while playing in Utica though.  Maybe we are missing something in the coaching/teaching of our young prospects?  

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1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Sounds like Palmu didn't get that teaching/coaching while playing in Utica though.  Maybe we are missing something in the coaching/teaching of our young prospects?  

Green seemed like a good coach to teach younger players, he got the likes of Goldobin, Virtanen to be NHLers. We need someone like him in Utica. 

Also as far as I remember, we tried to get another coach who eventually got hired by another team, thus leaving us with the 2nd choice in cull.

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4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Sounds like Palmu didn't get that teaching/coaching while playing in Utica though.  Maybe we are missing something in the coaching/teaching of our young prospects?  

My issue is going off what Johnson said and Palmu has said, that one can't improve those aspects of the game in practice. " the wall play, the compete and physicality " comes from playing decent minutes in the game and then looking at how you improve in those areas.

 

The current group down there is to concerned with making playoffs and not about development. Which is really going to hurt our future players.

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2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Sounds like Palmu didn't get that teaching/coaching while playing in Utica though.  Maybe we are missing something in the coaching/teaching of our young prospects?  

It's hard to say.  His ice time is close to the lowest on the team, which indicates that he wasn't ready to be playing at that level.  Just because he wasn't playing many games, I would think that he was still benefiting from the practices and certainly had +++ time in the weight room. 

 

The AHL is a developmental league, but the teams also have a responsibility towards their paying fans and owners.  Developing a winning environment is important for the players, owners and fans.  It looks to me that perhaps they should have moved Petrus earlier on.

 

Palmu is a long shot to ever play in the NHL (6th round picks usually are).  He has an uphill battle for sure.

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6 minutes ago, westcoastsniper said:

Green seemed like a good coach to teach younger players, he got the likes of Goldobin, Virtanen to be NHLers. We need someone like him in Utica. 

Also as far as I remember, we tried to get another coach who eventually got hired by another team, thus leaving us with the 2nd choice in cull. 

There was more than one coach ahead of him in the selection process. If memory serves me right he was the 4th or 5th in line.

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17 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

It's hard to say.  His ice time is close to the lowest on the team, which indicates that he wasn't ready to be playing at that level.  Just because he wasn't playing many games, I would think that he was still benefiting from the practices and certainly had +++ time in the weight room. 

 

The AHL is a developmental league, but the teams also have a responsibility towards their paying fans and owners.  Developing a winning environment is important for the players, owners and fans.  It looks to me that perhaps they should have moved Petrus earlier on.

 

Palmu is a long shot to ever play in the NHL (6th round picks usually are).  He has an uphill battle for sure.

The thing with Palmu is that he’s very much like virtanen. Where physically he has the strength to play in the NHL. Just needs the experience and ice time to develop the on ice skills.

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Plus wasn't there a numbers problem? A lot of extra bodies all vying for ice time?

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PP has one hockey life. He has to do what's best for him and I'd think few poster if in his position would think sitting in the press box actually helps his progress. What I don't get is in this day and age players expect the courtesy of being kept up todate with the teams expectations. This old school thinking and guess what we've moved on. It's no longer acceptable for management to treat todays player like they were treated in the 70's.  Is their days so full that they can't address prospects for 15 mins occasionally. This what having a farm team and developing program is IMO

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1 hour ago, The Great 8 said:

The thing with Palmu is that he’s very much like virtanen. Where physically he has the strength to play in the NHL. Just needs the experience and ice time to develop the on ice skills.

According to Johnson, Petrus needs to improve in  the wall play, the compete and physicality before he returns to the AHL.  He will get +++ ice time playing in Finland, so hopefully he can improve in those areas.  It would be great if he can return to the Comets for next season.  For a winger, 5'6" will make his road to the NHL very tough indeed.

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13 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

According to Johnson, Petrus needs to improve in  the wall play, the compete and physicality before he returns to the AHL.  He will get +++ ice time playing in Finland, so hopefully he can improve in those areas.  It would be great if he can return to the Comets for next season.  For a winger, 5'6" will make his road to the NHL very tough indeed.

It's one thing to tell that to the media but PP it has to be a case of this is your deficiencies ….. and this how you solve it  And this is what we expect you to work on. But for PP tell us he never heard from them there's a credibility gap. It's  not as though PP is the first to state this

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21 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

According to Johnson, Petrus needs to improve in  the wall play, the compete and physicality before he returns to the AHL.  He will get +++ ice time playing in Finland, so hopefully he can improve in those areas.  It would be great if he can return to the Comets for next season.  For a winger, 5'6" will make his road to the NHL very tough indeed.

I find it curious that Johnson feels PP needs to improve his 'wall-play and overall physicality' yet he believes the Liiga is the place to do this over the AHL?  I'm sure the overall hockey in the Liiga is quite good - but if you want a player to work on these specific aspects of his game, would you not keep him in the league where these aspects most closely resemble the NHL style of play and make sure he actually plays? 

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38 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

It's one thing to tell that to the media but PP it has to be a case of this is your deficiencies ….. and this how you solve it  And this is what we expect you to work on. But for PP tell us he never heard from them there's a credibility gap. It's  not as though PP is the first to state this

His statement was a part of a conversation he had with PP before the player left for Finland.  PP stated that he never heard feedback while he was playing in Utica.  Not Johnson's job.  Maybe coaching staff's job, but they haven't commented on PP's statement, so I can't get an accurate read on it. 

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2 hours ago, higgyfan said:

His statement was a part of a conversation he had with PP before the player left for Finland.  PP stated that he never heard feedback while he was playing in Utica.  Not Johnson's job.  Maybe coaching staff's job, but they haven't commented on PP's statement, so I can't get an accurate read on it. 

Johnson's title is  :- Ryan Johnson, General Manager, Utica Comets & Sr. Director, Player Development, Why wouldn't it be his job ? In the chain of commmand he's out ranks the coach.

 

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9 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

Johnson's title is  :- Ryan Johnson, General Manager, Utica Comets & Sr. Director, Player Development, Why wouldn't it be his job ? In the chain of commmand he's out ranks the coach.

 

In a corporate structure, the director level usually builds the team and establishes the vision, he's not doing the actual player development.

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