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17 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

The NHL is the most competitive league in the world, and if you can’t compete you won’t play there long.  If you have a ton of talent, you might get a longer leash depending on who you play for and how deep that team is.  The AHL, as much as anything, is about learning to compete with professionals - apparently, Palmu wasn’t able to do that on a consistent basis up to this point.  Virtanen was not treated badly in the AHL by the staff, he was a mile out of shape and they let him know all about it.  That is not being mean, it is about reality, the reality of the conditioning level he has to be at to play even in the AHL - Jake was a man about it, took the advise he was given to heart, and got himself into NHL shape.  His defensive game also was not good enough, so he got to play on the fourth line in Vancouver until he learned to do what was expected of an NHL player.  From what was reported, Palmu had to make excuses and blame his coaches.  Note that Jake didn’t do that, neither did Hutton.  On the other hand, Goldobin is a work in progress.

 

The coaches don’t bench these kids to be mean, if they are to remain coaches, they have to get the best out of their players - the coaches are also competing in the best hockey leagues in the world - if they can’t get the best out of their players, their fate is the same as the players who can’t make the grade.  Gaudette has been dealt with very well, and you sure didn’t hear him complain about being sent down, he had a three point game and got a ticket back to Vancouver, where he got another goal.  Some players get it right away, they are their own best critics - not in a way where they beat themselves up about, but in a way that is realistic assessment of their mistakes and what they need to do to improve - case in point Pettersson, who has to be dragged off the ice at practice - a kid who already has a two hundred foot game.  The reason he plays, like Boeser, is because they have earned the right.

I'd just add that apart from earning the right, their formative years have been dealt with correctly ie they have had good coaches  and coaching in their formative years. Some kids with good skill levels are wasted because the coach just opened the gate and hoped he wins the game. Good coaches take even their star players to task and expect the same structure and work ethic from all his players.

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10 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

I thought Liiga was supposed to be a good Euro league.  So Palmu can't even crack the Utica lineup, but in Liiga scores at a .75 pgm rate?  I still think Palmu was given a raw deal in Utica. 

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1 hour ago, Alflives said:

I thought Liiga was supposed to be a good Euro league.  So Palmu can't even crack the Utica lineup, but in Liiga scores at a .75 pgm rate?  I still think Palmu was given a raw deal in Utica. 

We are in no place to make those judgements haha. Hopefully he will return though.

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On 1/30/2019 at 1:08 PM, cyoung said:

We are in no place to make those judgements haha. Hopefully he will return though.

We would need to mutually terminate the contract though since after this season, he has 2 more years. I think we loaned him to TPS

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I know this topic has been exhausted already but I just wanna add something:

 

When a player makes the league from the AHL, or his style of play is transformed, there are almost always comments as to how the minor league team has done such an excellent job with such a player and that's where a lot of the credit is given. When a player doesn't pan out, comments are generally on how the player, well, just didn't pan out, whether it be because of effort, fitness, skill etc... It's generally only after a series of players not panning out until the minor league development system gets criticized. 

 

Player development I think always requires constant communication, whether it's to change the way a player plays, make him more confident, or less cocky, or just instill the necessary skills to reach the next level. Development isn't just: "this is how we expect you to play, these are the parameters, if you do them you get playing time, if you don't you won't get playing time." So while Ryan Johnson says that “It’s very clear as an organization how we expect a player to play," it doesn't refute what Palmu's said. 

 

For Palmu, he was in a situation where seemingly there was a lack of communication between player and coaches. So if he's telling the truth, and Palmu makes the NHL (ignoring that he already abandoned the AHL), there would be hypocrisy in the sense that a lot of credit would be given to the system, whereas he really had to pave his own way, meeting the expectations set by the system. (It's not about whether you believe Johnson and the organization about how there's already expectations being communicated, or if you believe Palmu about how no one talked to him, both can be true at the same time)

 

Essentially, if a player is just given a set of standards to reach, rather than actually communicating and teaching to help them reach it, it isn't really "player development" as we think it, it's really just a testament to how well the player has developed on his own. 

 

I'm not really taking a side as to who was right or who was wrong, I'm mostly just saying that sometimes, the system gets too much credit, when it's more that the player carved out his own path to success.

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It's not a good look for Utica and Vcr when two prospects want out of the farm team. I'm thinking this doesn't happen too often. Dahlen's agent had spoke to JB about trading his player. Palmu just walked.  One leaving is bad enough but two prospects feeling their development would be better else ware

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