[Article] NHL.com article about Boeser

[Baggins]

11 minutes ago, alfstonker said:

I don't see a place for Goldobin in the top 6 yet and don't see him fit in the bottom 6. 

 

I also find it hard to see Boeser fit into the top 6 now that Gagner has been signed. I don't see him on the 4th line either. A lot depends on how fit Rodin is and if Dorsett has recovered to be able to play (even without fighting which would be hard for him) a competitive 4th line role.

 

Gagner HAS to play on the top line with Baer and Bo OR on the second with the Sedins. It is a waste to put his size and skill further down when we need goals.

I don't think Goldobin has the work ethic or stamina to go with the twins otherwise I might have dropped Granlund to the 3rd or 4th if either of Rodin or Dorsett was unfit and slotted Goldy in.

 

I see this line up nearer the mark purely because Green imo is like WD and he will insist on a high work rate. Maybe Virtanen can come for an injury if he has progressed but until then I see Goldy, Boeser and Virtanen in Utica.

 

Baertschi - Horvat - Gagner

Sedin - Sedin - Granlund

Ericksson- Sutter - Rodin

Gaunce - Burmistrov - Dorsett

 

Basically I am looking at 3 x 2nd lines with pretty equal minutes and a 3rd line.

I see it...

 

Sedin/Sedin/Gagner

Baer/Horvat/Rodin

Granlund/Sutter/Erickson

Dorsett/Burmistrov/Boucher

Gaunce

[alfstonker]

8 minutes ago, Baggins said:

I see it...

 

Sedin/Sedin/Gagner

Baer/Horvat/Rodin

Granlund/Sutter/Erickson

Dorsett/Burmistrov/Boucher

Gaunce

Yes that's similar to what I was putting forward but I seriously don't see Boucher in place of Gaunce if Gaunce turns up fit and ready to go.

I would prefer Rodin if he has recovered as a trigger man on the Sutter - Loui line but I could also see him with Bo and Baer if he hits form as you have shown.

 

It all depends, for me, on start of season form and work rate. 

 

Some people may have heard what they wanted to hear in the Green post appointment interviews but I heard a guy who liked hard work and players taking responsibility. That to me means players like Boucher, Goldobin, Virtanen, and even Burmistrov will have to prove they have bought into the hard graft ethic.

 

Dorsett is also a bit of a worry for me. The guy is all heart and plays to protect his team mates while being a lot better hockey player than many give him credit for. I think if his specialists rule out fighting he will find it very hard to adapt. I hope he does though as I rate him a lot higher than many do on here (even when he isn't fighting)

 

[Baggins]

16 minutes ago, alfstonker said:

Yes that's similar to what I was putting forward but I seriously don't see Boucher in place of Gaunce if Gaunce turns up fit and ready to go.

I would prefer Rodin if he has recovered as a trigger man on the Sutter - Loui line but I could also see him with Bo and Baer if he hits form as you have shown.

 

It all depends, for me, on start of season form and work rate. 

 

Some people may have heard what they wanted to hear in the Green post appointment interviews but I heard a guy who liked hard work and players taking responsibility. That to me means players like Boucher, Goldobin, Virtanen, and even Burmistrov will have to prove they have bought into the hard graft ethic.

 

Dorsett is also a bit of a worry for me. The guy is all heart and plays to protect his team mates while being a lot better hockey player than many give him credit for. I think if his specialists rule out fighting he will find it very hard to adapt. I hope he does though as I rate him a lot higher than many do on here (even when he isn't fighting)

 

I see Granlund/Sutter/Erickson as a shutdown line that can also score. Which is why I have Rodin with Horvat. Let Bo's line concentrate more on production.

 

Dorsett doesn't worry me. He can either play or he can't. I don't see him changing his game.

[appleboy]

13 hours ago, alfstonker said:

Yes that's similar to what I was putting forward but I seriously don't see Boucher in place of Gaunce if Gaunce turns up fit and ready to go.

I would prefer Rodin if he has recovered as a trigger man on the Sutter - Loui line but I could also see him with Bo and Baer if he hits form as you have shown.

 

It all depends, for me, on start of season form and work rate. 

 

Some people may have heard what they wanted to hear in the Green post appointment interviews but I heard a guy who liked hard work and players taking responsibility. That to me means players like Boucher, Goldobin, Virtanen, and even Burmistrov will have to prove they have bought into the hard graft ethic.

 

Dorsett is also a bit of a worry for me. The guy is all heart and plays to protect his team mates while being a lot better hockey player than many give him credit for. I think if his specialists rule out fighting he will find it very hard to adapt. I hope he does though as I rate him a lot higher than many do on here (even when he isn't fighting)

 

I think that every player will need to prove that they belong,even the vets. No one gets a free ride.  If a player like Jake out works Eriksson then Benning says he will make room. 

We will also have kids pushing all season from the farm. Someone struggles or gets injured then his spot could be in jeperdy. If you get called in to replace an injured player and out play him then you should earn his spot.

[dpn1]

Last season I subscribed to the AHL game packages and watched a lot of Utica gaimes online.  It might be fun to do that this year as well.

[alfstonker]

10 hours ago, appleboy said:

I think that every player will need to prove that they belong,even the vets. No one gets a free ride.  If a player like Jake out works Eriksson then Benning says he will make room. 

We will also have kids pushing all season from the farm. Someone struggles or gets injured then his spot could be in jeperdy. If you get called in to replace an injured player and out play him then you should earn his spot.

With respect, I very much doubt that. Benning has got to protect his rep where big money, long term signings are concerned. If he was seen to bench an expensive vet like Loui after only one season then he is stepping on thin ice.

[TheGuardian_]

On ‎8‎/‎1‎/‎2017 at 0:30 PM, combover said:

Boeser on a two way contract and doesn't require waivers.not including him van will have 25 players (when gaunce and Horvat sign) on one way NHL contracts  so 26 if just boeser stays up or  Goldobin. 

So that would require waiving three or four guys pay them a NHL salary to be in the farm if they clear waivers. At best there might be competion for one forward spot and biega megna Chaput get waived.

Unless there are some trades the competion is for Utica not Vancouver when benning signed  gags  wierdcoat brumistrov delzotto he filled up the roster.

This false sale of competion is just a sales tactic to provide a little hype for a roster that looked  to be set at the First week of July.

I don't think you are far off here, the Horvat signing will be the main concern of the media distracting from doing anything else, a long holiday.

 

Somewhere there was a mention of Virtanen outworking Eriksson, Haaah, like Eriksson would be sat out but IMO Virtanen will get a spot this year guaranteed. After all, can't have the first draft pick bomb now, ..... politics.

 

Not sure about the competition just being for Utica though, just about half the NHL team could be replaced by AHL players.

 

Not sure why anyone would give a neg vote for this insight, it seems you got a decent explanation

[Baggins]

17 hours ago, appleboy said:

I think that every player will need to prove that they belong,even the vets. No one gets a free ride.  If a player like Jake out works Eriksson then Benning says he will make room. 

We will also have kids pushing all season from the farm. Someone struggles or gets injured then his spot could be in jeperdy. If you get called in to replace an injured player and out play him then you should earn his spot.

A little too simple. There also needs to be a balance between competition and depth. Stecher should have been on the opening roster last year. He was sent to Utica to maintain depth at the position. When called up he played well enough to stay and replace Larsen in the line up. Multiple injuries kept him here the entire season. For a prospect to oust a veteran he doesn't just need to be as good or a little better. He needs to be head and shoulders better to force moving the veteran. Otherwise he's quality depth for call ups. Stecher succeeded in doing that during the season. Pre-season wasn't enough to make that call and weaken the depth.

 

Btw, had Tryamkin not had that ahl clause he would have been sent to Utica instead of Stecher.

[PuckYa]

On 8/1/2017 at 1:25 PM, NUCKER67 said:

Got to say I am a little befuddled with why they signed Burmistrov. I just don't see him playing with the Canucks, unless later in the season when injuries happen. Maybe he'd be a better callup than Megna and Chaput? And does having Rodin and Gagner signed make things more difficult for Boeser, Goldobin and Virtanen to make the team this year? I was hoping with Green coming in as coach, the young guys would all get the chance to play. The way it is now, Goldobin and Virtanen may play in Utica if there's no room. Then what happens in a couple of years when Lind and Lockwood make a case to be on the team? Does Goldobin and Virtanen get pushed farther down the depth chart or will Lind and Lockwood toil away in Utica? I foresee some trades happening.

So having too many prospects is now a "bad thing"?

 

No one gets handed an NHL job. So Virtnaen, Goldobin etc. have to earn their spots, and if they do get beat out than that means the other player beating them out is better. Which is not a bad thing to have, it's a good thing to have.

[alfstonker]

On 8/1/2017 at 9:25 PM, NUCKER67 said:

Got to say I am a little befuddled with why they signed Burmistrov. I just don't see him playing with the Canucks, unless later in the season when injuries happen. Maybe he'd be a better callup than Megna and Chaput? And does having Rodin and Gagner signed make things more difficult for Boeser, Goldobin and Virtanen to make the team this year? I was hoping with Green coming in as coach, the young guys would all get the chance to play. The way it is now, Goldobin and Virtanen may play in Utica if there's no room. Then what happens in a couple of years when Lind and Lockwood make a case to be on the team? Does Goldobin and Virtanen get pushed farther down the depth chart or will Lind and Lockwood toil away in Utica? I foresee some trades happening.

So Willie packed the team with old vets according to your media poisoned view.

I have to ask what is it like up there in La la land?

 

You seem like one of those fans who thinks as long as a player's birth certificate shows he's under 23 years old he's good to go in the NHL. Fortunately Benning and Green live in the real world, a world where skill is only rewarded if it comes with effort and being defensively aware. 

 

[Smashian Kassian]

I would much rather see him than Megna. Atleast Brock can score.

 

I think he will make it and be a good player this year. 

[appleboy]

14 hours ago, alfstonker said:

With respect, I very much doubt that. Benning has got to protect his rep where big money, long term signings are concerned. If he was seen to bench an expensive vet like Loui after only one season then he is stepping on thin ice.

If you play favorites or base your team on stupid contracts then you have not created an atmosphere of compitition.

[ice orca]

1 hour ago, appleboy said:

If you play favorites or base your team on stupid contracts then you have not created an atmosphere of compitition.

Even tho Eriksson had a meh year he still can play all parts of the ice p.p..pk and move up and down the line as a vet. Virtanen isn't  close to Eriksson as a hockey player. I'm not a big fan of Lou or his contract by Virtanen  has a lot way to go to be on Loui level..SHouldnt say not a fan of Lou I liked him when he was younger.

[Hairy Kneel]

We're due to have injuries, so another black ace may get a long look along the line. 

[groovy]

On 2017-08-01 at 11:34 PM, Kevin Biestra said:

He has a spot.  He could do snow angels every other shift for the preseason and he'll still make the roster.

This is the mindset the team is aiming to avoid by creating competition at all positions.

[Kevin Biestra]

11 hours ago, groovy said:

This is the mindset the team is aiming to avoid by creating competition at all positions.

They can create all the competition they want.  The guy that scored 4 goals in 9 games to end last season will be in the starting lineup.

 

Even if he sucks in the preseason, they aren't going to stunt his confidence by sending him down to start the season when he's shown he can score at the NHL level already.  There's no point trying to teach him a lesson out of the get, the only POSSIBLE exception being if he shows up with a body that makes Kyle Wellwood look like Frank Zane.

[appleboy]

17 hours ago, ice orca said:

Even tho Eriksson had a meh year he still can play all parts of the ice p.p..pk and move up and down the line as a vet. Virtanen isn't  close to Eriksson as a hockey player. I'm not a big fan of Lou or his contract by Virtanen  has a lot way to go to be on Loui level..SHouldnt say not a fan of Lou I liked him when he was younger.

I am using that as an example of how it should work and not suggesting Jake is ready yet. If Boeser is ready then they need to make room. If Jake makes the grade latter in the year, let's say he replaces Dorsett because of an injury. Once called up he makes a serious impact. Then they must move Dorsett once he is healthy. 

Benning has said that if they earn a spot he WILL make room. The team needs to hold true to their word.

[JaboVancouver]

While I believe that Boeser will be with the Canucks when the season starts there is no room for sulking for any prospect that starts in Utica. I like the fact that not only will there be competition with the big club there will also be competition among those who have to start in the AHL. If you want to be that first guy called up when injuries inevitably happen you will have to earn it. As more years pass and prospects become eligible to play in Utica that competition should only get better. A successful and competitive farm system can only help this franchise moving forward.

[alfstonker]

11 hours ago, appleboy said:

I am using that as an example of how it should work and not suggesting Jake is ready yet. If Boeser is ready then they need to make room. If Jake makes the grade latter in the year, let's say he replaces Dorsett because of an injury. Once called up he makes a serious impact. Then they must move Dorsett once he is healthy. 

Benning has said that if they earn a spot he WILL make room. The team needs to hold true to their word.

Most if not every GM will say that though. It's not like they will say the opposite, is it? To do that would just make it harder for us to get players to sign here. 

Whether we like it or not, vets have, in most situations, a certain amount of leeway that young players won't get. The reason is obvious, the young players have earned nothing and still have their whole careers in front of them.

 

If a vet has a bad patch, there can be any number of reasons for it and they have likely shown they have come back from similar slumps before and therefore the GM/Coach is likely to be more patient. That is not to say there is no limit to that patience, if there is a young stud lighting it up in Utica.

 

Young players HAVE had their chance here and the absence of Higgins, Burr, Hansen, Hammer, Bieksa, Weber etc is proof that our GM will make room. However the onus is on the young player to prove he has what it takes and that he can stick long term. The decision to play a prospect will always have a knock on effect for the rest of the team so it can never be taken lightly.

 

Whether CDC likes it or not, our GM and coaches both here and in Utica will always know a hell of a lot more about a young player in the system than we do. Somebody above said he thought it was "cool" to play the young prospects, well I doubt "cool" ever made it into the coaching manual and certainly not onto the balance sheet in a business involving $millions in turnover and jobs constantly on the line.

 

An NHL club is at the pinnacle of sport both in terms of what lies in the "pyramid" below and in terms of financial costs involved. CDC seems to be confused over this and imagines this is like some playstation game or a beer league where there are no consequences to arbitrary or uninformed thinking and decision making. They imagine just because they have a "favourite" who can punch a bit or has an awesome release he must be in the line up or the coach/GM has screwed up - yeh right.

[appleboy]

8 minutes ago, alfstonker said:

Most if not every GM will say that though. It's not like they will say the opposite, is it? To do that would just make it harder for us to get players to sign here. 

Whether we like it or not, vets have, in most situations, a certain amount of leeway that young players won't get. The reason is obvious, the young players have earned nothing and still have their whole careers in front of them.

 

If a vet has a bad patch, there can be any number of reasons for it and they have likely shown they have come back from similar slumps before and therefore the GM/Coach is likely to be more patient. That is not to say there is no limit to that patience, if there is a young stud lighting it up in Utica.

 

Young players HAVE had their chance here and the absence of Higgins, Burr, Hansen, Hammer, Bieksa, Weber etc is proof that our GM will make room. However the onus is on the young player to prove he has what it takes and that he can stick long term. The decision to play a prospect will always have a knock on effect for the rest of the team so it can never be taken lightly.

 

Whether CDC likes it or not, our GM and coaches both here and in Utica will always know a hell of a lot more about a young player in the system than we do. Somebody above said he thought it was "cool" to play the young prospects, well I doubt "cool" ever made it into the coaching manual and certainly not onto the balance sheet in a business involving $millions in turnover and jobs constantly on the line.

 

An NHL club is at the pinnacle of sport both in terms of what lies in the "pyramid" below and in terms of financial costs involved. CDC seems to be confused over this and imagines this is like some playstation game or a beer league where there are no consequences to arbitrary or uninformed thinking and decision making. They imagine just because they have a "favourite" who can punch a bit or has an awesome release he must be in the line up or the coach/GM has screwed up - yeh right.

That mind set will hold water on a top team who has a proven record. We are a club that is trying to build from the ground up. If you take the development of your youth seriously then you must give them a spot if they earn it. You would also be impeding your clubs progression.

If Boeser shows well in training camp and pree season , they will make room for him. They have 16 forwards counting Boeser. Someone will get moved.

Jake will be given the same chance.